What television that is 16:9 is known for its stretch mode that looks the least distorted

 

The scaler(s) in the Pioneers are very well known.

 

Tis true.

However, I have a Samsung DLP and Samsung plasma... both stretch the 4:3 picture and the picture still looks very good. I also had a 60" Sony LCD that handled the stretching very well also....

 

Stretching sucks. Its pointless and its for those same people that had 4:3 TVs that buy fullscreen versions of movies.

 

My NEC has a very good one.
Some days I feel like stretching and some days I don't.

 

Well sometimes I like to watch TV without looking at those fucken black or grey bars on the side, not to mention i dont like to purchase a 42" tv and watch a 34" equivalent if im not stretching.

 

Ignorance right there.

A 4:3 TV show was shot...4:3. so big damn deal that you have to deal with some bars on the side. If you're into the show you won't notice them.

If I was DP of the said show, and found out you were watching my footage stretched I'd slap you and take your TV away.

 

Well if all of the damn studios would upgrade their equipment to HD stuff then we wouldn't have a problem now would we?

It's my personal opinion that all new series appearing on major networks should be shot in HD. How these networks can come out with new programming (NBC's "Deal or No Deal" comes to mind) and not have it shot in HD is beyond me. Those girls holding the boxes are way to pretty to be shot in SD.

 

Just because something is shot in HD doesnt mean it isnt 4:3.

The show I just did was HD, and we were shooting for 4:3.

Its an aspect ratios same as any. And for much of TV its pointless to shoot 16x9...but we are getting there.

Deal or No Deal is cheap show, being made for little money as possible to increase profit...to shoot HD would cut into that profit, and there it nothing gained from shooting it in HD.

 

Even when I'm real into the show the black bars still bother me and distract me, and also like i said i don't want to buy a 42" television and watch most of the programming with a lot smaller size.

 

I gotta think the WAF comes into play here for many guys.

 

Making everyone look shorter and fatter doesn't bother me... and I'm a huge video nut. Reality is the video your watching is crappy STD def anyway...

 

Bothers the fuck out of me. Who cares if you're not using all 42" ALL the fucking time.

Citizen Kane was never meant to watched stretched out over a 16x9 screen. And anyone who would even remotely think to watch something like that stretched is a complete and utter moron.

 

Let me ask you this then, if the bars didn't matter to anyone, then why the hell when you go to a bar or restaurant with plasmas, its always stretched and never in the 4:3 mode.

 

Do you really think bars take the time to calibrate their TV's properly? 98% of them anyway?

And with that, most bar owners, or whoever turns on their TVs are of the same no nothing frame of mind..."mmmm TV big Screen....picture fill screen GOOOOOd."

Fact is, they take the TV out of the box, hang it, turn it on and walk away. They know nothing about formats, aspect ratios, HD, SD.

fact is...no...not good.

 

Fact is, watching 4:3 on a 16:9 television is shitty as fuck.

 

Umm, watching a movie and watching the discovery science channel are two different things... I always watch my DVD(s) anamorphically if I can in their native aspect ratios. However... if I'm watching a STD def TV channel recompressed sending me a 16:9 or 2.35:1 show smashed into 4:3 picture I'll watch it stretched to 16:9.

And to add it's not like they encode the mpeg-2 to do 16:9 correctly on cable or satellite unless your watching a HD channel. So even if the material could be correctly shown at 16:9 on a 480p signal anamorphically the data isn't there on the sat/cable systems.

So everyone who has a 16:9 TV should watch everything with bars around it for all of the 400+ channels, then only watch stuff full screen on the few HD channels that exist? ...

Sorry but when I'm watching: american chopper, extreme makeover: home edition, mega machines, super tools... I'll watch it stretched, there is no gain watching any of those in their native aspect ratio. Same goes with most TV broadcasts that aren't HD.


did you forget to take your meds today? Why are you so worked up?

 

I'm not worked up. I am of the mind of watching something the way it was shot. watching a stretched image drives my eyes up a wall because it doesn't look right. Or watching a zoomed image, because I know its being cropped of information.

If something was shot on 4:3 I'll watching it on 4:3 That just how it was meant to be seen.

At this point should everything be shot 16x9 in SD or HD...yes. But sadly they dont.

And for older tv shows that arent 16x9 (Star Trek:TNG, for example) I'll watch them in 4:3...its how they were shot.

People will do what they want, its a preferential thing. But I still equate it to people who buy fullscreen DVDs.

 

As for a non-anamorphic DVD....I'd chuck it. More then likely its been retransfered by now.

 

ya, kinda... I buy all anamorphic superbit DVD(s) when I can. But I watch all of my STD TV stretched... Why? because it's recompressed/reformatted anyway...

A ton of movies are 2.35:1 (or around there anyway). 2.35:1 squished into 4:3 then displayed on a 16:9 screen is TINY! lol

Maybe one day the cable/satellite boxes will support anamorphic widescreen on the standard digital channels... Until them I'll continue stretching...

And if I'm really watching a movie I'll put in the DVD and catch it in full quality/surround sound anyway. Or I'll watch the show on a HD channel... watching movies on STD cable/satellite digital channels to me is a convenience. Quality comes on the DVD.

 

And when you watch 2.35:1 movie on 16x9 you still get bars on the top and bottom no?

 

of course...

I edited my above post about that.

 

saw it

yeah non-anamporphic 2.35:1 is retarded on a 16x9 tv...

 

So anyways, besides pioneer, what lcd manufacturer has good stretch modes.

 

LCD or plasma? I'd recommend pioneer for plasma. I'd pass on true LCD, but that's just me.

 

i keep hearing that lcd>plasma these days...i hear the black levels have improved a ton, and computer use is a plus.

 

True, in terms of $$$...


I can not stand the screen door effect that most LCDs exhibit. I have RP LCD which is fine, but the true LCD in the bedroom drives me up the wall.

Blacks are much inproved in plasmas and rival that of any set out there curently. The latest generation plasmas are great.

Computer use... That is definitely a selling point of LCDs. I wouldn't play games, etc on a plasma.

 

to every point.

The SDE drives me nuts on all LCDs... and I stay far, far away from them. Between the two technologies... plasma would get the vote....

 

can u explain the screen door effect

 

Look outside of your house through a screen in your window, or door. See the lines? If you stand far enough away, they go away, but the closer you get, the more you see them.

Works the same way on TVs. On some TVs you needs to stand really far way.

 

Plasmas look soft to me. Only when there is something super satured do they look like they have that crisp good look.

They black levels on them drive me nuts, but its the softness of the images they produce i really cant stand.

A rental house i used to work for just opened a new facility with very high end plasma showroom. I am doing a prep there on thursday.

I'll see whats new.

 

I don't have an issue with people stretching the image (although I still find it pretty amusing). I've watched a fair amount of stretched tv, and I think the action mainly happens in the center of the screen. So if there's stretching mainly on the sides, it's not a big deal. At least, I don't seem to notice it.

I wonder how much of an uproar people would be if they treated TV the way they treat movies. I.e. shoot all tv shows in 16:9, and if people have a 4:3, then
just pan and scan it. I suppose that's what happens anyway for tv shows that show in both SD and HD.

- Frank

 

TV is different then movies. They do not pan and scan TV. what they do no matter what format, or aspect ratio being originated on...is frame for 4:3. They have ground glasses or viewing systems with 4:3 markers, and you compose for that rather then entire frame. Its how I just shot the last show I was on.

Sadly, some features do this as well. But its more "protecting" for 4:3 then shooting for 4:3. Essentially, the Operator tries to shoot in such a way that when it is shown 4:3 all they have to do is extract a 4:3 aspect ratio rather then pan and scan the image.

Personally, I say fuck that. Especially at this day in age. If you are going to watch a movie I shoot in 4:3...then deal with ignorance or pan and scan. Or wisen up and get the widescreen version and watch it they way I meant it be seen.