Fibonacci --

I was a hardcore Windows (well ... DOS) fan. Been playing around with PCs (and MSFT products) since '87. I even had an Apple clone in the early 80s (pirated stuff from Taiwan) and thought it was cool ... but lacked the programs I needed for school (it was a games machine).

Fast forward to 2006. I am not in the computing industry (far from it actually) but I do consider myself a 'tech nerd'. I'm IT guy in my department (because IT is slow & somewhat incompetent) -- Windows has nice things to it but is clunky due to it having to please such a vast array of customers.

Apple was a niche player (graphics designers, multimedia) that is now playing with the big boys. I have been using my MacBook for over a month and wonder why I didn't migrate to OSX sooner. Seriously -- Apple was smart to use Intel processors VS PPC chips. I will never buy a PC based product any time in the near future.

The learning curve is not very steep (ie you need to 'unlearn' PC shortcuts) but once you get the OSX interface ... it's very intuitive. You must get a 2-button mouse -- that's the only pet peeve that I have on the laptop (1 button ... you've got to be serious!)

And one last thing -- reformat the hard drive when you receive it. You will free up 10 gigs of utter crap unless you plan on doing a lot of multimedia things with your computer (eg MS Office trial version, iLife trial, far too many printer drivers, multilanguage support, Garage Band, etc). It only takes 20 seconds (I counted) for the laptop to boot up and for me to start using it. Haven't had that fast a start on a PC since my DOS days.
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Cliffs notes: buy the Mac (Mac mini or iMac ... whatever fits your budget) and don't look back. Upgrading to Leopard is a piece of cake. It's not like a Windows product, I promise.

 

You know you can just tap the trackpad with 2 fingers for secondary click?

 

why didn't you try bootcamp before you returned the mac
you can run both systems on one.

aapl 4 life!

 

The finder is terrible....I'm so used to windows explorer, and I navigate through files quite a bit. If they solve this issue in Leopard, then it will bring me one step closer to a mac. I don't know why, but I would only buy a mac in a laptop form....

 

I am one of the few that thinks: Apple for work, Windows for play

I <3 apple laptops, and i love knowing that i never have to worry about my data with a journaling file system, an easy to use front end and unix backbone

Windows stays on my desktop since i would much rather build and game on it.

 

There's a setting in the Mouse/Trackpad preference pane that enables a right click by tapping the trackpad with two fingers.

Voila! Two button mouse.

 

i've been somewhat debating between gettin a apple laptop, or a sony vaio....i know with sony you just pay for the casing....but im gettin a killer deal on the laptop model # VGN-sz330p/b,

i haven't really messed around with it enough to get comfortable with it. how would the sony i listed compare to an apple laptop?

 

That Sony is nice, better graphics card than you will get with a macbook. Everything else (other than the fingerprint scanner) is available on the Macbook I believe. Comes down to OS X vs. Windows.

 

what other advantages does the osx have, the only one that I know is that you cant get viruses like a windows....the sony if i get it will come preloaded with windows vista premium

i guess i need to check out the apple store and play around with the OS first...

 

The mac is just plain more user friendly, getting anything done is very intuitive, not the case with window's. It takes a little getting used to using OS X, but with in a few days you'll be quite happy, I know I was. Now that I am used to using OS X in my free time, when I am using a 98 or XP based machine I just get mad at how counter intuitive it is.

 

don't go to the Apple store. find a friend with OSX who can walk you through it.

they disable almost all of OSX's coolest features at the Apple Store. i'm not sure why, i guess to make it as simple as possible for idiots at the mall to use them.

 

thats fuckin stupid...

 

yep. gay as hell. but the Apple Store's are retardedly successful... so I guess it works

 

i'm another die hard pc user - 2 years ago. then when i switched, i couldn't believe why it took me a long time to do it. never looked back. i told all my friends if they needed me for support, get a mac coz i quit supporting windows. some got macs and haven't called me for support since, just called me for beers.

a friend of mine works for a consulting company. uses a mac for personal use but praises windows for business. simply put, he'd go out of business without all the windows issues

BTW, i'm glad google finally has mac developers

 

option 5 - I own a Mac and plan to shoot myself this weekend.

 

Why do you hate on macs so much? Just curious for the specific reasons.

 

it's srika we're talking about. he hates just about everything that he doesn't love.

he replaced zeroday and/or sarlacc as our most negative member. he's just slightly more negative then siggy & myself

just ignore him. it tends to work for me...

 

srika is really the guy wearing the sweater in this video http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/ap...ge_480x376.mov

 

these threads are somewhat ridiculous, both operating systems have their place. I have been running a mac at home for well over 4 years, but at work I can't live without windows. Microsoft's BI stack pays for my macs at home. granted if I were a typical PC user at work, I could get all of my work done on a mac, but mac doesn't have a real presence in the corporate IT space.

mac for home.
pc for work.

 

pc for work if your work is a big corporate enterprisey type office space environment.

not everyone in the world works in that type of environment, and not everyone in the world does your type of work.

for every dilbert there's a small businessman or a creative who would be, IMO, much better served by working on a Mac.

 

Ok. Fair enough. I will explain my hatred and animosity because I can understand why you would question such. I was the lead mac tech - let me rephrase that - the only mac tech - for the entire ABA publishing dept (software/hardware/network) for a period of 2 yrs ('00-'02) - naturally, this group is entirely mac and is responsible for the publication of over 90 various legal periodicals. Yeah. There, I lost my mind - along with any patience for these machines..

 

if windows runs on macs now can os x run on proprietary hardware now (my existing wintel box)? i think the only reason i used windows is for the tv tuner, but since i just got a new one, i may go back to playing with it for a while. at the end of the day, everything i do on my home machine is done through a browser now that i'm out of school.

 

Mac's have changed by leaps and bounds since 2000.

Nonetheless, anyone would lose their mind managing the systems of a bunch of tards.

 

I had a 17 inch G5 powerbook for about 24 hours in 2005. It was a beutiful peice of hardware till the screen broke. That isn't anything that couldn't happen to any pc manufacturer, but I was able to decide I really didn't want to learn something new at that moment. I would probably have made a different choice had it been a intel processor.

I find that for xp does most everything I need, even with ie6 and no antivirus or anti-spyware I make out pretty well. It's quite stable. I think my computer has been up for 3 days, and thats only because I accidently kicked the power button 3 days ago. Also it's quite snappy on a modern computer. The only reason I'll have to upgrade to vista will be when direct x 10 cards aren't expensive and games are available.

I would think about going to linux this very seccond if adobe supported the platform. I can only get PS7 to install via wine, but then contextual menues cause it to crash. I also havn't seen a good open source project in the format of lightroom or aperature. I hope to try it with some weird virtual machine server thingy, but that may be too slow http://searchopensource.techtarget.c...238129,00.html . On top of all of that I have no idea how monitor calibration would be done.

 

damnit all to hell, g4 powerbook.

I hate posting before 9 am.

 

acurazine?

 

1) yea.. I know.. call it a Pavlovian response but everytime I see or hear the word "Mac" or "Apple" or anything thereof I can't help but cringe in terror.... lol

2) haha

anyway now that the "cat is out of the bag", I think I'm gonna be a little "quieter" around these parts regarding these topics. :P

 

PC's all the way. It's what my world runs on. It's not even about Windows vs. OSX to me. I'm never going to go work and support my 1700 users on a freakin apple. The personal computer is such a broad tool now that there might be room for more than one.

 

I just downloaded the 64 bit Vista DVD image to my Vista machine for burning. Well guess what, apparently Vista itself doesn't include anything out of the box for burning discs from image files.

Looks like I'll be burning yet another M$ disc from my Mac. Oh the symbolism.

 

Bill Gates explains why you should buy his new operating system, what he’s doing next and why John Hodgman bugs him.

You also talk about improved security in Vista.

 

i know right, wtf was Billy G smokin before that interview

 

Gates is losing it.

Can't really blame him. Think about how much time and effort he has sunk into Vista. Yet, every single interview he does since it's release he's been asked "Did you try to copy Mac OSX?"

 

i ended up gettin the sony laptop, its loaded with windows xp pro, but i get the free upgrade to vista premium ... just gotta wait for it to come in now...

 

werd. im so used to working on pc's at work for the last 10 years, I dont see myself getting a mac for personal use. its all about personal preference... I was born and raised on the pc, have used macs many times- but still go back to the pc. how does leopard's security compare to vista's?

 

Snooze button, ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......


Um, guys - where's teh Leopard??? Feels like I've been waiting for an eternity.

 

http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/large.html

Can't wait!!!

 

^^ Thanks for the link, Apple just got another $130 from me. That thing rolls over Vista(I still run XP on my desktop). Time Machine, Spaces and the new e-mail. WOW!!


edit...You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Scrib again.

 

Yea, Leopard really looks nice. There are some pretty nice enhancements that weren't shown that I'm looking forward to as well.

 

Scrib, care to enlighten? I haven't been following.