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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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Dark Scenes

I don't understand what make a lcd tv to display dark scenes with more detail.

would you guys explain to me what specs in the box can tell me what tv can display more detail in a dark movie?

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for instance... hmm... I have seen some tv displaying dark hair in a dark scenes just fine. I can see the pieces of hair. but some tv just can't do that and make the bunch of hair just a black block... or something like that.
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 08:12 PM
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Plasmas are much better at display details in dark scenes than LCDs. The reason for this is the backlighting used by LCDs to create the picture. LCDs create black by blocking the light emitting from behind. However, no matter how well an LCD can do this, some light will leak through. Samsung has addressed this in its 81-series LCDs. The backlighting actually turns off in certain areas of the display (this is called local dimming) rather than having the light blocked.

While plasmas are better, they aren't perfect. The reason for this is that the pixels have to remain pre-charged in order to display the picture quickly. Pioneer's next generation of displays reportedly solves this dilemma by being able to turn the pixel completely off, thereby achieving a true black, and also avoiding any pixel delay.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 02:06 AM
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So... if I by a lcd tv and watch mostly movies with dark scenes, I will be disappointed?

The lcd tv I've seen from BB look pretty good to me. Is it because they crank up the brightness so the dark scenes suddenly are not that dark anymore?
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 03:08 AM
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Net, I thought Pioneer was exiting the plasma market and selling Panny technology?


BZ268, have you looked at http://www.avsforum.com yet? Find a few models you are interested in at BB/CC, then go to AVS and search through the posting for optimal settings. Then go BACK to BB/CC and plug those setting in (understanding that the store is a bad viewing environment) and compare the sets side by side.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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Don't buy a cheap LCD TV....the blacks will be horrible.

If you are going to go LCD and you watch alot of films with dark scenes...do the research and spend some serious coin and get the best set that has the best blacks.

...otherwise go plasma
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bz268
So... if I by a lcd tv and watch mostly movies with dark scenes, I will be disappointed?

The lcd tv I've seen from BB look pretty good to me. Is it because they crank up the brightness so the dark scenes suddenly are not that dark anymore?

If you buy a cheap LCD, then yes you will.

If you get a high end Samsung or Sony Lcd...then no, you will enjoy it. I watch everything under the sun, and I love my Samsung.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bz268

would you guys explain to me what specs in the box can tell me what tv can display more detail in a dark movie?
Contrast ratio. The higher the number, the better.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 12:19 PM
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Contrast ratio. The higher the number, the better.
Don't pay attention to manufacturer contract ratios. They're completely arbitrary. As far as Pioneer, the next generation of plasma panel will be their last completely in-house plasma.

As far as whether you'll notice it, probably not as long as you go with a good brand regardless of plasma or LCD. It's something you'd probably notice if you were watching the displays side-by-side, but once you get it home, you probably not notice it at all.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
Don't pay attention to manufacturer contract ratios. They're completely arbitrary. As far as Pioneer, the next generation of plasma panel will be their last completely in-house plasma.

As far as whether you'll notice it, probably not as long as you go with a good brand regardless of plasma or LCD. It's something you'd probably notice if you were watching the displays side-by-side, but once you get it home, you probably not notice it at all.
According to whom?
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
According to whom?
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/29651

Reader Jim writes: How much of a difference does the contrast ratio on LCD TVs make? Is 8000:1 really that much better than 1000:1 for contrast, and worth the extra price?

Contrast ratio is perhaps the most misleading and overhyped data when it comes to televisions. In theory, contrast ratio measures the difference between the brightness in the super-bright portions of a screen vs. the super-dark portions. A 1000:1 contrast ratio would mean that a perfectly white pixel is 1000 times brighter than a perfectly black pixel.

That's the theory, anyway. The problem is that these brightness levels are hard to calculate, and they're subject to all sorts of interpretation. Ultimately, contrast ratio has become little more than marketing-speak, and the numbers are now largely meaningless. Things have gotten out of control to the point where various vendors have claimed 1,000,000:1 contrast ratios. It's getting to the point where escalating contrast ratios are now an industry joke, though not a very funny one.

Gizmodo has an extensive piece on the topic, which rightly points out that high contrast ratios don't mean high brightness. Rather, companies have focused more recently on decreasing the brightness of the "1" side: making the blacks blacker instead of the whites whiter. As the post notes, "Cutting the darkest dark on a screen by .5 effectively doubles the contrast ratio." In comparing an 8000:1 TV to a 1000:1 TV, you're probably looking at a TV that the manufacturer claims has richer, truer blacks.

Of course, it may not. The numbers could be calculated differently, inflated, who knows. You'll need an independent source (probably from a high-end home theater publication) to get a real sense of a TV set's contrast, but even then the numbers probably wouldn't be very meaningful because of the difficulties in performing such a test.

Ignore manufacturer's contrast levels and focus instead on how a TV looks to your eyes, whether it has the connections you need, and if it's the right size for your room.
The best way to compare contrast ratios is when many displays are subjected to the same test.

For instance:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/

This ensures consistent testing methods and reliable numbers that can actually be compared.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 05:38 PM
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...but once you get it home, you probably not notice it at all.
Yes exactly. I was watching NCAA on a Vizio in my friend's house. It looks awesome without a Sony placed next to it. When I check out the Vizio next to a Sony in the store, the Vizio looks awful.

Is a IPS Alpha panel any different from the panel in the Sony or Samsung?
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