recessed/pot lighting - yay or nay?

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Old 08-09-2005, 11:12 AM
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although chris i think our enthusiasm for this stuff is a sure sign of aging... :killer:
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although chris i think our enthusiasm for this stuff is a sure sign of aging...


shhhhh.....
Old 08-09-2005, 11:16 AM
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fdl, BTW, is the builder installing them? They were crazy expensive when I bought.
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fdl, BTW, is the builder installing them? They were crazy expensive when I bought.

Hell no. I know an electrician.

Builder wanted $200 per light.
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I think I was going to be charged $275.
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I think I was going to be charged $275.

well it was $200 for the big can lights, and an extra $60 for the small lights. crazy.
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So how do you plan on installaing after you've taken possesion? Don'you have to have access to the floor above the kitchen and family room?
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Originally Posted by dom
So how do you plan on installaing after you've taken possesion? Don'you have to have access to the floor above the kitchen and family room?

I was told "its not a problem". But if worse comes to worse we can access from above because i am doing the floors up there.
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Originally Posted by fdl
I was told "its not a problem". But if worse comes to worse we can access from above because i am doing the floors up there.
The lights I linked to on the previous page are 'old construction' or remoldeling lights...install very easily.

Either way, the best method is just to access by means of the ceiling & cutting through the drywall(can be messy, but very easily repaired)...going through the floor above is not really an option unless you are speaking of replacing the actual substrate itself.
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Originally Posted by zeroday
I'm only as old as my DR says I should feel...or something like that...
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Originally Posted by dom
I think I was going to be charged $275.


I've installed 40+ recessed lighting fixtures in my parents old house... at maybe $15-25 (US) each + wire.
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Originally Posted by zeroday
although chris i think our enthusiasm for this stuff is a sure sign of aging... :killer:
Hey now... I'm only 24! My dad and I finished our basement when I was only 16. I guess I got an early start
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Originally Posted by teg_to_bike


I've installed 40+ recessed lighting fixtures in my parents old house... at maybe $15-25 (US) each + wire.
I believe Home Depot/Lowes regularly carry the fixtures sans trim ring for $35/6. Hell, I think the copper costs more these days.
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Originally Posted by chef chris
I believe Home Depot/Lowes regularly carry the fixtures sans trim ring for $35/6. Hell, I think the copper costs more these days.
sadly, the money is in the trim.
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Originally Posted by teg_to_bike
Hey now... I'm only 24! My dad and I finished our basement when I was only 16. I guess I got an early start
some people age faster than others

since you've installed so many, how in the heck do you install recessed lights in a cieling with no access from above (like an attic)? does it always involve ripping out and replacing some of your cieling? how do you fish wires up there?

only room i installed in had an attic...
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Originally Posted by zeroday
some people age faster than others

since you've installed so many, how in the heck do you install recessed lights in a cieling with no access from above (like an attic)? does it always involve ripping out and replacing some of your cieling? how do you fish wires up there?

only room i installed in had an attic...


Thats what I did in our kitchen. I ripped out a lot of drywall from the ceiling, added the fixtures, then replaced the drywall, taped/mudded/painted, etc.

Its a pain.

For the wire, there was an electrical box up there already, I just had to drill through the studs in order to feed the new conduit I added. If there is no electrical box up there, you would have to feed power from below, which means you need to tear out a bit of the wall too and fish wire from some connection on the wall.

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Originally Posted by teg_to_bike


Thats what I did in our kitchen. I ripped out a lot of drywall from the ceiling, added the fixtures, then replaced the drywall, taped/mudded/painted, etc.

Its a pain.


forget that ish...


track lighting was so easy...maybe it will come back into style
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Yeah...fishing wires is a pain & you must have an affinity for spackling(I enjoy it myself).

Just a bunch of labor really...it's not complicated & it's really not expensive at all either.
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& you must have an affinity for spackling(I enjoy it myself).
ok you lost me on that one. you're a sick sick man.

edit: its the sanding not the spackling that makes me want to jump off a cliff
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Originally Posted by zeroday
ok you lost me on that one. you're a sick sick man.

edit: its the sanding not the spackling that makes me want to jump off a cliff
See, that's the point...if you do it well, you need only do a small amount(if any) sanding. I use a scothbrite sponge when it's 90% dry and smooth over any trouble spots. After that...say 24 hours later, I run the shop vac with this>
http://imagex.homedepot.com/f/248/13...s/161604_3.jpg

(actually, mine is just the $15 version, sans the water bucket)
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Originally Posted by chef chris
After that...say 24 hours later, I run the shop vac with this>
http://imagex.homedepot.com/f/248/13...s/161604_3.jpg

(actually, mine is just the $15 version, sans the water bucket)
no wonder! that's the coolest invention i've ever seen.

inside of my house was totally coated in white dust while i was sanding the drywall...what a nightmare.

time to buy a shop vac.
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Originally Posted by zeroday
no wonder! that's the coolest invention i've ever seen.

inside of my house was totally coated in white dust while i was sanding the drywall...what a nightmare.

time to buy a shop vac.
I normally just use the screened sander with the vac on...costs about $15. But since I saw that water-bong-type filter...and how easy it would be to duplicate...I've been thinking about making one myself.
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Go for it - Recessed lighting looks great in the kitchen - you can have them over the counters - plenty of work light. You can either put the valence lights under too or it looks really nice if you put them on top of the cabinets - out of sight - they shine up to the ceiling - strictly for looks, nothing else - very nice look (obviosuly a lower wattage)

Originally Posted by fdl
SDC, track lighting went out of style a long time ago.

From what I have read on lighting, its good to have "layers". So pot/can lights, plus lamps, etc. In the kitchen I could have pot/can lights plus valence lights under the cabinets.

Dom, why dont you think it would work in the kitchen? You could have lights right over the counters.
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