how much do u bench?
09-01-2005, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I am saying with strict form you cant reach max. overload.
Bad form is defined by me as form that would hurt you (injure you) OR form that does not let you reach max. overload and/or intensity. For example, ROM. I see many people bench press and the bar goes 50% down. That's bad form because full ROM is of paramount importance when the goal is the fastest way to develop muscle.
Bad form is defined by me as form that would hurt you (injure you) OR form that does not let you reach max. overload and/or intensity. For example, ROM. I see many people bench press and the bar goes 50% down. That's bad form because full ROM is of paramount importance when the goal is the fastest way to develop muscle.
on back or shoulder days I would strain my back on a consistent basis. I always accounted this to stiffness from pushing (or pulling!) the weights. But, it started getting worse and worse. Now, I am 33...i know that is not old (or old..depends on your perspective) but I want to be able to exercise 20 years from now. I don't wanna have chronic back pain or busted up knee joints etc. So, I had to step back and really re-evaluate how I am doing each exercise. I dropped the weights and retaught myself good form on certain exercises and made my way back slowly. Now, I am doing more than I was I was before and I feel great.
Nothing worse that low back pain to make your life a living hell.
09-01-2005, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Acuraluvr
i only do lik 60 
BTW if i do more, ill stunt my growth
BTW if i do more, ill stunt my growthman, you should just be Active active active. Run around till you are blue in the face. To weights towards the end of high school.
09-01-2005, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Loseit
A story to go along with this
on back or shoulder days I would strain my back on a consistent basis. I always accounted this to stiffness from pushing (or pulling!) the weights. But, it started getting worse and worse. Now, I am 33...i know that is not old (or old..depends on your perspective) but I want to be able to exercise 20 years from now. I don't wanna have chronic back pain or busted up knee joints etc. So, I had to step back and really re-evaluate how I am doing each exercise. I dropped the weights and retaught myself good form on certain exercises and made my way back slowly. Now, I am doing more than I was I was before and I feel great.
Nothing worse that low back pain to make your life a living hell.
on back or shoulder days I would strain my back on a consistent basis. I always accounted this to stiffness from pushing (or pulling!) the weights. But, it started getting worse and worse. Now, I am 33...i know that is not old (or old..depends on your perspective) but I want to be able to exercise 20 years from now. I don't wanna have chronic back pain or busted up knee joints etc. So, I had to step back and really re-evaluate how I am doing each exercise. I dropped the weights and retaught myself good form on certain exercises and made my way back slowly. Now, I am doing more than I was I was before and I feel great.
Nothing worse that low back pain to make your life a living hell.
09-03-2005, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I AM saying he is lying. No doubt about it. He either has weight lifting experience from before or he is lying.
09-03-2005, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
OK let's talk about this proper form principle here.
Let's talk bench pressing, flat with the barbell, all free weight of course, etc.
What is it that I CANNOT DO while lifting which would make you call it improper form ABreece?
Let's talk bench pressing, flat with the barbell, all free weight of course, etc.
What is it that I CANNOT DO while lifting which would make you call it improper form ABreece?
09-03-2005, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ABreece
Wiggling, kcking, improperly arching your back (some powerlifting guys say you have to arch your back, i dunno about them), bouncing the bar off your chest, letting the bar fall on the negative so you have more energy for pushing it back up, not repping the full range of motion are all ways for you to "cheat" and put up more weight. That is improper bench press form.
true! a lot of nooblets do that at my gym and all it does it create the potential for injury
09-03-2005, 09:22 PM
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There a dude at the gym who just started working out. No previous experience. The dude is 5'6" and 195lbs... After 3 weeks the dude benches 225 on inclined like nothing. He does 275 on the flat bench... That's scary. The guy is a friggin freak of nature... He works in an office all day. Scary shit.
09-03-2005, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by YBA
He works in an office all day. Scary shit.
09-04-2005, 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
See these are the moves that will ensure slowed muscle growth.
Now why a smart guy like would go and abandon the barbell for cables and dumbells?
Now why a smart guy like would go and abandon the barbell for cables and dumbells?
I dont' quite understand. I thought by doing dumbells, it'll allow a wider range of movements hitting muscles that the flat bar doesn't hit. I switch off between bench and dumbells each time I work chest. I'm open to your suggestions but if you could clear up what you are talking about that would be great.
09-04-2005, 04:19 PM
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My 3 rep max was 315 2 years ago when I used to lift consistantly. I was always too scared to try a one rep max. Being under all that weight which I can barely lift is scary 
I havent lifted in almost 2 years though. I bet I would have a hard time putting up 185 right now.
I havent lifted in almost 2 years though. I bet I would have a hard time putting up 185 right now.
09-04-2005, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
^ if you are/were doing 8 x 100 dumbbells, I bet you could max more than 285.
09-04-2005, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 03typeS6spd
unless he is really tall, or has long arms...
i am similar in that i can push 90-100 lb dumbbells for 6-8 reps
but i can barely do 285 for one rep on bar, shorter arms seem able to lift more on bar
i am similar in that i can push 90-100 lb dumbbells for 6-8 reps
but i can barely do 285 for one rep on bar, shorter arms seem able to lift more on bar
09-05-2005, 09:50 PM
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I'm 5'8" and 160lbs. I can only flat bench 70lbs + the bar (the bar is 45lbs). For the dumbbell press I stick a 35 or 40 in each hand. That's what I work out with.
Maxing is a different story. My one rep max (a totally useless thing except to claim machoness), is a mere 90lbs + the bar. Maybe I can do more, but I'm not willing to try just for that. With the barbell bench press I can do probably 55 or so in each hand for one rep.
Maxing is a different story. My one rep max (a totally useless thing except to claim machoness), is a mere 90lbs + the bar. Maybe I can do more, but I'm not willing to try just for that. With the barbell bench press I can do probably 55 or so in each hand for one rep.
09-07-2005, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
touching is fine, just don't let it bounce off.
09-07-2005, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by phinthesky
I am 5'8"
I weigh between 205-210
I can rep 315 for 4 sets at 7 reps.
I can rep 355 for 3 reps for 1 set.
My waist is a 32.
I weigh between 205-210
I can rep 315 for 4 sets at 7 reps.
I can rep 355 for 3 reps for 1 set.
My waist is a 32.
09-07-2005, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jleev6
Is the the way to do a correct bench press? The lowest I go is when my arm is at a 90 degree angle. Have I been doing it incorrectly this whole time?
09-07-2005, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jleev6
Is the the way to do a correct bench press? The lowest I go is when my arm is at a 90 degree angle. Have I been doing it incorrectly this whole time?
I believe so. If you stop at 90 you aren't getting the full range of motion.
If I only went to 90 I could probably be lifting 25% more weight.
09-07-2005, 08:16 PM
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Ok guys. I want to get into the freeweights (been on the machines). Can I do this without a spotter? What weight should I start with?
09-07-2005, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Ok guys. I want to get into the freeweights (been on the machines). Can I do this without a spotter? What weight should I start with?
YES
You don't need to be doing any more weight with the free weights. Just start very low and see what you are comfortable with. Whenever I'm trying a new lift with free weights I'll do a few reps with like 10 pounds, just to get the hang of it.
If you are starting on the bench, just throw a 25 on each end of the bar and do a few easy reps to get used to it, and go from there.
09-07-2005, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
YES
You don't need to be doing any more weight with the free weights. Just start very low and see what you are comfortable with. Whenever I'm trying a new lift with free weights I'll do a few reps with like 10 pounds, just to get the hang of it.
If you are starting on the bench, just throw a 25 on each end of the bar and do a few easy reps to get used to it, and go from there.
You don't need to be doing any more weight with the free weights. Just start very low and see what you are comfortable with. Whenever I'm trying a new lift with free weights I'll do a few reps with like 10 pounds, just to get the hang of it.
If you are starting on the bench, just throw a 25 on each end of the bar and do a few easy reps to get used to it, and go from there.
09-08-2005, 11:18 AM
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Muscle maturity plays a huge roll in strength. I'm sooooooo much stronger then I was 2 years ago. I stay away from machines (including smith machines) on all of my major lifts (squat, bench (incline and flat)) Using free weights is the best thing for you...you actually use all of the little stabilizing muscles and tendons that need to be built up so you can get stronger!
09-08-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicky Pass
Muscle maturity plays a huge roll in strength. I'm sooooooo much stronger then I was 2 years ago. I stay away from machines (including smith machines) on all of my major lifts (squat, bench (incline and flat)) Using free weights is the best thing for you...you actually use all of the little stabilizing muscles and tendons that need to be built up so you can get stronger!
Oh, I'm starting to test out the theory of more weight less reps to see if I can get more defined or not. The only thing I changed was the flat bench exercise (started this yesterday)
09-08-2005, 07:03 PM
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345 lbs. on the flat bench, but that was in 02. I've incline pressed 125 lb. dumbbells with no spot and have done weighted dips with 3/45 lb. plates or 135 lbs. on a weight belt with a bodyweight of 195 lbs. at the time (I'm currently 180).
09-08-2005, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FiftyFive
whats your secret? intake? supplements?
My work out is this..........
Warmup - 135 - 8 reps
Then 225 - 8 reps
Then 315 - 8 reps
Then 335 - 6 reps
Then 315 - 6 reps
Then switch to dumbbell incline.
I grab 90 lbs on each arms and do a warmup.
Then I go to 115 and 8 reps
then 120 and 6 reps
then 120 and 6 reps
then 115 and 6 reps
then 105 and 6 reps
Then I go to cable crossover.
I do that for 4 sets of whatever feels good. Sometimes I wanna burn and sometimes I go heavy again.
That is my secret. I do this twice a week.
Go heavy and do less reps...........but this requires good form or you will hurt your shoulders like i did.......
09-08-2005, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicky Pass
Muscle maturity plays a huge roll in strength. I'm sooooooo much stronger then I was 2 years ago. I stay away from machines (including smith machines) on all of my major lifts (squat, bench (incline and flat)) Using free weights is the best thing for you...you actually use all of the little stabilizing muscles and tendons that need to be built up so you can get stronger!
09-08-2005, 11:45 PM
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Nothing special. Around 250 to 275
Trying to keep up the endurance
Trying to keep up the endurance
09-09-2005, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by phinthesky
Not to cop out, but the secret is good form..........Another secret is to take creatine and glutamine......I guess that is not really a secret.
My work out is this..........
Warmup - 135 - 8 reps
Then 225 - 8 reps
Then 315 - 8 reps
Then 335 - 6 reps
Then 315 - 6 reps
Then switch to dumbbell incline.
I grab 90 lbs on each arms and do a warmup.
Then I go to 115 and 8 reps
then 120 and 6 reps
then 120 and 6 reps
then 115 and 6 reps
then 105 and 6 reps
Then I go to cable crossover.
I do that for 4 sets of whatever feels good. Sometimes I wanna burn and sometimes I go heavy again.
That is my secret. I do this twice a week.
Go heavy and do less reps...........but this requires good form or you will hurt your shoulders like i did.......
My work out is this..........
Warmup - 135 - 8 reps
Then 225 - 8 reps
Then 315 - 8 reps
Then 335 - 6 reps
Then 315 - 6 reps
Then switch to dumbbell incline.
I grab 90 lbs on each arms and do a warmup.
Then I go to 115 and 8 reps
then 120 and 6 reps
then 120 and 6 reps
then 115 and 6 reps
then 105 and 6 reps
Then I go to cable crossover.
I do that for 4 sets of whatever feels good. Sometimes I wanna burn and sometimes I go heavy again.
That is my secret. I do this twice a week.
Go heavy and do less reps...........but this requires good form or you will hurt your shoulders like i did.......
No secret about it, thats pretty much the perfect bench press routine.
09-09-2005, 06:50 AM
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I lifted for the first time in about a year yesterday. I am so sore right now. I warmed up with a 135lbs bench........and that is what I repped. I couldn't move up because my left wrist wasn't strong enough and it was causing me some pain. Time to start doing push-ups everynight. Anyway my one rep max was 225lbs, I was 6'3" 180lbs at the time.