TLX test mule with widened rear axle, and fender flares spotted
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#43
Definitely don't see a RWD sedan coming down the pipe, Acura has made it clear like Audi that FWD & AWD would be their platforms going forward.
Don't recall if the RLX had mules with wider tracks to accommodate the Hybrid powertrain.... That could be an option.
Since there is talk of a more powerful option, then maybe this car has been widened front and rear to accommodate.
Don't recall if the RLX had mules with wider tracks to accommodate the Hybrid powertrain.... That could be an option.
Since there is talk of a more powerful option, then maybe this car has been widened front and rear to accommodate.
#45
#46
You gotta keep price point in check. A V6 Turbo and sport hybrid tech in a mid sized and mid priced sedan doesn't seem possible.
Just because there was an NSX there doesn't really mean much.
Just because there was an NSX there doesn't really mean much.
#49
I do hope they dump the push button shifter and bring back the lever with the slap shift manual mode that actually slows down when you downshift rather than speeding up. Maybe get rid of the 4 driving modes for the type S and just make a car that shifts like the 3rd gen type S but even better to the point that you never even think about the trans and how it shifts as it operates as you would expect. Oh well, they need to hit a home run on the next generation if the want to gain market share back. Also a digital dash has to be included. The civic has had one for years now. Surely they can design a higher end one.
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#53
Because in this case, it's referring to the Sport-Hybrid drivetrain that's in the RLX / NSX. Which from everything I've read, and tested for a short period myself (2016 RLX Sport-Hybrid) it's incredibly powerful, very fast, and that's just with the combined 377hp on the RLX. Can't imagine what it would be like in something more than that, let alone the new NSX.
I personally think a TLX with the SH-SH-AWD drivetrain of the RLX/NSX would be freagin awesome. Priced (and optioned correctly), I'd be all over it. That is...as soon as they redo that interior
I personally think a TLX with the SH-SH-AWD drivetrain of the RLX/NSX would be freagin awesome. Priced (and optioned correctly), I'd be all over it. That is...as soon as they redo that interior
#54
Went to an Acura and test drove a 2017 TLX advanced with AWD. Was impressed by the car but not the price they wanted for it. Their numbers really sucked but the sales guy said the Type S is coming back, but they don’t have any information about when just yet. I told him to call me as soon as he gets more info on It. Would love to order a 2020 or 2021 TLX type s
#55
Originally Posted by jhb31
Why do people want a hybrid for the performance model?
QUOTE=NBPaspec;16193836]That's the future, get used to it.[/QUOTE]
Heard the same thing about 3D tv's. Nobody has a crystal ball. Hybrids have been around for over a decade. Outside of the toyota not too widely adopted nor sought after.
Why do people want a hybrid for the performance model?
QUOTE=NBPaspec;16193836]That's the future, get used to it.[/QUOTE]
Heard the same thing about 3D tv's. Nobody has a crystal ball. Hybrids have been around for over a decade. Outside of the toyota not too widely adopted nor sought after.
#56
Because in this case, it's referring to the Sport-Hybrid drivetrain that's in the RLX / NSX. Which from everything I've read, and tested for a short period myself (2016 RLX Sport-Hybrid) it's incredibly powerful, very fast, and that's just with the combined 377hp on the RLX. Can't imagine what it would be like in something more than that, let alone the new NSX.
I personally think a TLX with the SH-SH-AWD drivetrain of the RLX/NSX would be freagin awesome. Priced (and optioned correctly), I'd be all over it. That is...as soon as they redo that interior
I personally think a TLX with the SH-SH-AWD drivetrain of the RLX/NSX would be freagin awesome. Priced (and optioned correctly), I'd be all over it. That is...as soon as they redo that interior
#57
I don't see how it could possibly add a $15,000 premium for the SH-SHAWD / Type S option to a TLX ASpec for example. They could still keep it under or close to $50k with the hybrid system. It's a $3500 premium in the MDX. Add another $2000-$3000 for the Type S package like they've done in the past and you're right about $50k. You mention Toyota and Prius comparing this hybrid system, it's not really like that from what I understand. It does give you better gas mileage but it's more tuned for performance than getting every drop out of the tank. I mean, it's only getting 28mpg with 377 hp on the RLX and 26mpg with 321hp on the MDX. That's not really nothing to write home about. It makes sense to me to have SH-SHAWD as a big differentiator between the Honda and Acura line. We all see how the Accord leap frogged the TLX in tech with it's last release. As others have pointed out the only negative thing about the hybrid drive system is the added complexity and possible long term reliability.
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#58
I would love to get one, but only if the premium is only 5k or less. The added weight would can annoy some purists. Some hybrids have small battery packs, which is not really interesting either for gas savings. For example, the Q50 hybrid.
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Speed_Racer (03-02-2018)
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Want a type S for under 50k or a hybrid type S for 60k+? I think most people would be happy with a turbo model with 0-60 at sub 7 seconds with plenty of pull still going. Just my opinion but most TLX buyers aren't looking for 5 second times as they just want a bit more than what the TLX does now. Those that want more the NSX is already available. The last type S was very popular and it was roughly 30 hp over the standard tl but had a larger engine and better gearing. I don't recall anyone complaining that it was too slow and as time went by it turned into a highly sought after used car even a decade later.
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#64
I don't doubt for a second that Acura could build an M3/4 killer. But they won't. And they likely never will. Because they're not in that part of the car market. They don't build 70-80k sports cars. And that's 110% okay by me. I don't even want them in that realm. I'd prefer they build a car that is 85% of that performance, at 80% the cost.
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#65
I don't doubt for a second that Acura could build an M3/4 killer. But they won't. And they likely never will. Because they're not in that part of the car market. They don't build 70-80k sports cars. And that's 110% okay by me. I don't even want them in that realm. I'd prefer they build a car that is 85% of that performance, at 80% the cost.
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First post
Cautiously optimistic as to where Acura will go over the next couple of years. I think it's all but a given we'll see the combination of a turbo v6 with esh-awd. I think the torque fill, torque vectoring, and increased fuel economy with the electric motors actually make more sense here than in the NSX. 400+ HP, 30 mpg, at 55k would be amazing imo and doable. If they go the Audi route with a longitudinal engine arrangement, I think they may have something special on their hands. But if they go the RDX route and essentially just beef up a CRV... well.
Should be fun.
Cautiously optimistic as to where Acura will go over the next couple of years. I think it's all but a given we'll see the combination of a turbo v6 with esh-awd. I think the torque fill, torque vectoring, and increased fuel economy with the electric motors actually make more sense here than in the NSX. 400+ HP, 30 mpg, at 55k would be amazing imo and doable. If they go the Audi route with a longitudinal engine arrangement, I think they may have something special on their hands. But if they go the RDX route and essentially just beef up a CRV... well.
Should be fun.
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#67
You may save on fuel for quite some time initially, but if you keep it too long and are unfortunate enough to need to replace the hybrid battery outside of warranty it's likely that all of that savings may as well have been tossed to the wind.
#68
True enough. Personally, I'm more interested in the performance aspect of the Sport Hybrid system as Acura tunes it more for performance. Any fuel savings is a bonus on the side! Either way, I think most folks will be happy if they can give us a TLX around 380 to 400 hp, whether it comes from a single V6T or if a hybrid system is tacked on. That said, there's not a lot of performance hybrid systems on the market, and Acura could potentially carve out a niche for themselves if they do it right.
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#69
I don't doubt for a second that Acura could build an M3/4 killer. But they won't. And they likely never will. Because they're not in that part of the car market. They don't build 70-80k sports cars. And that's 110% okay by me. I don't even want them in that realm. I'd prefer they build a car that is 85% of that performance, at 80% the cost.
#70
True enough. Personally, I'm more interested in the performance aspect of the Sport Hybrid system as Acura tunes it more for performance. Any fuel savings is a bonus on the side! Either way, I think most folks will be happy if they can give us a TLX around 380 to 400 hp, whether it comes from a single V6T or if a hybrid system is tacked on. That said, there's not a lot of performance hybrid systems on the market, and Acura could potentially carve out a niche for themselves if they do it right.
#71
Exactly. Acura is using Sport Hybrid to stand out, though a) nobody asked for a Sport Hybrid and b) they haven't executed one properly yet. But in a sea of 3.0t 6s, what makes your car special? You'll have linear power delivery, a quiet mode, instant throttle response, better gas mileage, a better weight distribution, and a more responsive rear axle. If this power train is in the right platform, it can be best in class. They should definitely offer a non-hybrid 3.0t as well because that has its own advantages.
#72
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...h-model-review
#73
Actually the MDX hybrid option really only adds $1500 to a SH-AWD model which is quite amazing to me. ($3500 is the cost over a 2wd model) I'm not sure why there's not more out there. The mdx hybrid gets so much better city mileage, not to mention it's faster than the standard model, all for $1500. What's not to like?
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#74
The two motors powering the rear wheels work independently from the engine, and also independently of eachother. The motor on the outside wheel can speed up, providing torque for instance, while the inside wheel can slow down, rotating the rear simultaneously storing energy in the battery. Yes, the system adds weight, but its all out back which I assume would help with traction out of a corner in an otherwise front-heavy car. As far as 48v goes, the main performance gain I've seen comes with the addition of a motor generator which Sport Hybrid already has between the engine and transmission. You can look at how it compares on the MDX.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...h-model-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...h-model-review
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#75
All this talk about hybrids, "beating the M4", what not - if all they did to the TLX was replace the 3.5L NA V6 with a 3.0L TT V6, well I'd fucking jump around and hoot for joy.
There are only two other things I'd even want them to improve: tighter turning radius and a firmer "sport" suspension (preferably able to switch "modes" electronically between quiet comfort mode and sport mode).
Of course, rear wheel drive would be nice, but, I won't hold my breath on that one.
There are only two other things I'd even want them to improve: tighter turning radius and a firmer "sport" suspension (preferably able to switch "modes" electronically between quiet comfort mode and sport mode).
Of course, rear wheel drive would be nice, but, I won't hold my breath on that one.
#76
Just make your car rear wheel drive if you want it
Unbolt the axle from the hub and take the two bolts out of the strut . Get that out and cut the boot on the inside of the axle closest to the transmission . Pull out the axle and just put it back together and drive it .
#77
All this talk about hybrids, "beating the M4", what not - if all they did to the TLX was replace the 3.5L NA V6 with a 3.0L TT V6, well I'd fucking jump around and hoot for joy.
There are only two other things I'd even want them to improve: tighter turning radius and a firmer "sport" suspension (preferably able to switch "modes" electronically between quiet comfort mode and sport mode).
Of course, rear wheel drive would be nice, but, I won't hold my breath on that one.
There are only two other things I'd even want them to improve: tighter turning radius and a firmer "sport" suspension (preferably able to switch "modes" electronically between quiet comfort mode and sport mode).
Of course, rear wheel drive would be nice, but, I won't hold my breath on that one.
It'd be nice to have the 3.0TT engine and still an NA engine option too!
#78
Proof they lost money? If they outsourced the parts to Delphi, they very well may have had an agreement that Delphi takes the hit for any failures and not Acura. I mean, why would Acura be on the hook for a third party part failing?
Acura takes the initial hit upfront, but I suspect they try and recoup those costs. Unless they're really bad at making business deals.
Also, I'm guessing that's the consumer price for those parts. Acura for sure did not pay retail.
Acura takes the initial hit upfront, but I suspect they try and recoup those costs. Unless they're really bad at making business deals.
Also, I'm guessing that's the consumer price for those parts. Acura for sure did not pay retail.
#80
Has anybody ever driven the four-cylinder model of this vehicle ? I have worked on cars and customize them for over 25 years . This is my second car for just farting around with . Don’t need anything faster than this although I can tell you this car can pretty much take anything around here in the Chicagoland area . Besides all the high-end cars that will not race a TLX