It is becoming harder and harder to find a girl with NO TATTOOS.
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97BlackAckCL (12-29-2014)
#282
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That being said..I AM a hiring Manager at my company. I am the Director of Quality Assurance at my company. I have sleeve type tats from my biceps up. Granted, when dressed for work they are not visible...but on casual day everyone sees them hanging out of the bottom of the sleeves on my polo shirt. Have my tats harmed my career? NO. I would hire someone with a body tat if they could perform the assigned tasks associated with their job.
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#283
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Skin is just skin, whether its a color or has things written on it. Granted you are born with one and you chose the other, my point is neither, by itself, says anything about a person's character. And you are just as guilty of discrimination by denying someone an opportunity based on either.
Surely you realize that in manufacturing (particularly airplanes and cars), many industrial jobs and in the military that tattoos are very common. Most of what you use every day, and those that keep you safe all come from people with tattoos. But I guess they are all unreliable and untrustworthy?
Surely you realize that in manufacturing (particularly airplanes and cars), many industrial jobs and in the military that tattoos are very common. Most of what you use every day, and those that keep you safe all come from people with tattoos. But I guess they are all unreliable and untrustworthy?
As for military, learn that the rate of these guys going to jail after their service is much higher than in the civilians, at least double. Don't assume that everybody supports the millitaries ("keep us safe" my ***), but that's another story.
Well I am a Director of Operations in a manufacturing company (we export 95%) and one of my tasks is hire people equivalent to your position. How do you know that without your little "problem", you wouldn't be working for a much larger company at much better conditions?
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#285
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I am working for a Multi Million Dollar Plastic Injection Mold Maker selling to the largest Medical Companies all over the world...Including the good old USA.
My career path has not always been easy but I cannot remember any time ever when I was DISCRIMINATED AGAINST by such a small minded individual like yourself over my tattoos. ( I am 54 years old btw)
Most folks look at your accomplishments...not your physical appearance. I pity those who work for your shallow obtuse ass.
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I'm still struggling to see the logic behind having tattoos making you less able to do your job...
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#287
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Are you pulling my leg? Or are you really this ignorant?
I am working for a Multi Million Dollar Plastic Injection Mold Maker selling to the largest Medical Companies all over the world...Including the good old USA.
My career path has not always been easy but I cannot remember any time ever when I was DISCRIMINATED AGAINST by such a small minded individual like yourself over my tattoos. ( I am 54 years old btw)
Most folks look at your accomplishments...not your physical appearance. I pity those who work for your shallow obtuse ass.
I am working for a Multi Million Dollar Plastic Injection Mold Maker selling to the largest Medical Companies all over the world...Including the good old USA.
My career path has not always been easy but I cannot remember any time ever when I was DISCRIMINATED AGAINST by such a small minded individual like yourself over my tattoos. ( I am 54 years old btw)
Most folks look at your accomplishments...not your physical appearance. I pity those who work for your shallow obtuse ass.
How can you claim "I cannot remember any time ever when I was DISCRIMINATED AGAINST."
Believe me, you would have never known if that was the case or not. Has been there, done that. That's the way it is.
Not to pursue personal cases any further, but in the meanwhile here is something more significant.
Are tattoos negatively stereotyped in the United States? YES:80% NO 20%
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<--------Has no tattoos and doesn't want any, but doesn't care if other people do.
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Yep..hes a troll. Im done.
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#294
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I heard you and your fallacious arguments.
Now thanks to you, I remember clearly why I don't want to hire tatooed people, much less in a senior management position.
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#296
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Please, Saintor, explain to us how your decision to not hire individuals with tattoos is considered under the Canadian "Bona Fide Occupational Requirements" for a manufacturing environment.
Also, please outline for the audience how it is you go about checking for the presence or absence of tattoos which might not otherwise be visible without a "thorough" body inspection. You wouldn't, after all, want to allow a "damaged" employee into the organization who just happened to "hide" their tattoo evidence.
Also, please outline for the audience how it is you go about checking for the presence or absence of tattoos which might not otherwise be visible without a "thorough" body inspection. You wouldn't, after all, want to allow a "damaged" employee into the organization who just happened to "hide" their tattoo evidence.
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Tattoos No Longer A Kiss Of Death In The Workplace
“Now you’re never going to get a job!” Almost everyone in the 14% pool of tattooed Americans has heard something like this from a relative or friend. But as the number of inked Americans grows, is the traditional assumption that tattoos and jobs don’t mix really true in 2013?
Workplace tattoo policies vary among and within industries. But with many contemporary companies stressing commitments to diversity and inclusion, tattoos are becoming increasingly unproblematic across the board. Lax tattoo policies for blue-collar and art-related jobs aren’t shocking, but the increasingly tolerant outlook of frontrunners in corporate, educational and medical industries are more surprising.
As consulting firm CEO John Challenger explained, most employers today would agree that a person’s appearance is nowhere near as important as his or her professional skills. “Even in this tight job market, most companies aren’t going to view tattoos too harshly. Companies have a vested interest in hiring the most qualified candidate.”
According to Bank of America Spokeswoman Ferris Morrison, the company has no restrictions when it comes to inked corporate employees. “We have no formal policy about tattoos because we value our differences and recognize that diversity and inclusion are good for our business and make our company stronger,” she said.
This attitude is not uncommon in contemporary corporate environments. Having large, colorful and highly visible lilac tattoos inked across her upper chest didn’t stop Courtney Pecola from landing a job as vice president of Philadelphia’s ZB Sports, a sporting goods retailer, in 2004. “If I’d passed on her because of her tattoos, I’d be out one phenomenal employee,” Pecola’s hirer commented.
Still, tattoo policies vary from one office to another, the counter argument being that tattoos – like unconventional hairdos or bold garments – can distract coworkers and clients. “Depending on if they are visible or offensive in nature, tattoos can have an impact on professionalism,” Mark Brenner, senior vice president of external affairs at Apollo Group said.
Tattoo policies for positions in academia differ as well, depending on the institution’s mission. Bruce Potts, professor at The University of New Mexico, sports a full tribal tattoo on his face. “I haven’t had trouble getting a job because success is all about how one presents him or herself, and doesn’t solely depend on appearance,” he explained.
But UNM’s acceptance of Potts’ atypical appearance is not necessarily representative of all employers. Especially when it comes to younger children, institutions and camps are more concerned with the message that a leader’s appearance may be sending. John Beitner, director of L.A.’s Tumbleweed Day Camp, felt pressure from parents to employ more “appropriate looking role models” after his camp saw a 15% increase in tattooed counselors over the past decade. Beitner decided to tackle the issue on a case-by-case basis, evaluating levels of offensiveness for individual tattoos. He commented that a no-tattoo policy would mean losing excellent candidates.
In the medical field, having a tattoo does not impede a person’s chance at landing a position, but rules about covering them tend to be more stringent. Most facilities require a certain level of concealment during work hours because demonstrating the utmost external professionalism is key to gaining patients’ trust.
According to the UCLA Health System policy: “Any tattoo that may be considered offensive by patients or visitors must be covered by clothing, a band-aid or make-up.” The Cleveland Clinic has a similar policy: “Tattoos must be covered during working hours to ensure a consistent professional appearance while working.”
Mayo Clinic Spokesman Bryan Anderson stated, “Mayo Clinic has long recognized the importance of presenting a professional image to our patients. Under our policy, employees are asked to cover tattoos or other body art.”
So, while workplace concealment policies differ, having a tattoo in 2013 certainly doesn’t ruin one’s chance at having a successful career. Still, a 2011 study by CareerBuilder shows that 31% of surveyed employers ranked “having a visible tattoo” as the top personal attribute that would dissuade them from promoting an employee. Although companies across many fields are increasingly focused on diversity and inclusion, tattoo flaunting is still probably best reserved for post-work hours.
“Now you’re never going to get a job!” Almost everyone in the 14% pool of tattooed Americans has heard something like this from a relative or friend. But as the number of inked Americans grows, is the traditional assumption that tattoos and jobs don’t mix really true in 2013?
Workplace tattoo policies vary among and within industries. But with many contemporary companies stressing commitments to diversity and inclusion, tattoos are becoming increasingly unproblematic across the board. Lax tattoo policies for blue-collar and art-related jobs aren’t shocking, but the increasingly tolerant outlook of frontrunners in corporate, educational and medical industries are more surprising.
As consulting firm CEO John Challenger explained, most employers today would agree that a person’s appearance is nowhere near as important as his or her professional skills. “Even in this tight job market, most companies aren’t going to view tattoos too harshly. Companies have a vested interest in hiring the most qualified candidate.”
According to Bank of America Spokeswoman Ferris Morrison, the company has no restrictions when it comes to inked corporate employees. “We have no formal policy about tattoos because we value our differences and recognize that diversity and inclusion are good for our business and make our company stronger,” she said.
This attitude is not uncommon in contemporary corporate environments. Having large, colorful and highly visible lilac tattoos inked across her upper chest didn’t stop Courtney Pecola from landing a job as vice president of Philadelphia’s ZB Sports, a sporting goods retailer, in 2004. “If I’d passed on her because of her tattoos, I’d be out one phenomenal employee,” Pecola’s hirer commented.
Still, tattoo policies vary from one office to another, the counter argument being that tattoos – like unconventional hairdos or bold garments – can distract coworkers and clients. “Depending on if they are visible or offensive in nature, tattoos can have an impact on professionalism,” Mark Brenner, senior vice president of external affairs at Apollo Group said.
Tattoo policies for positions in academia differ as well, depending on the institution’s mission. Bruce Potts, professor at The University of New Mexico, sports a full tribal tattoo on his face. “I haven’t had trouble getting a job because success is all about how one presents him or herself, and doesn’t solely depend on appearance,” he explained.
But UNM’s acceptance of Potts’ atypical appearance is not necessarily representative of all employers. Especially when it comes to younger children, institutions and camps are more concerned with the message that a leader’s appearance may be sending. John Beitner, director of L.A.’s Tumbleweed Day Camp, felt pressure from parents to employ more “appropriate looking role models” after his camp saw a 15% increase in tattooed counselors over the past decade. Beitner decided to tackle the issue on a case-by-case basis, evaluating levels of offensiveness for individual tattoos. He commented that a no-tattoo policy would mean losing excellent candidates.
In the medical field, having a tattoo does not impede a person’s chance at landing a position, but rules about covering them tend to be more stringent. Most facilities require a certain level of concealment during work hours because demonstrating the utmost external professionalism is key to gaining patients’ trust.
According to the UCLA Health System policy: “Any tattoo that may be considered offensive by patients or visitors must be covered by clothing, a band-aid or make-up.” The Cleveland Clinic has a similar policy: “Tattoos must be covered during working hours to ensure a consistent professional appearance while working.”
Mayo Clinic Spokesman Bryan Anderson stated, “Mayo Clinic has long recognized the importance of presenting a professional image to our patients. Under our policy, employees are asked to cover tattoos or other body art.”
So, while workplace concealment policies differ, having a tattoo in 2013 certainly doesn’t ruin one’s chance at having a successful career. Still, a 2011 study by CareerBuilder shows that 31% of surveyed employers ranked “having a visible tattoo” as the top personal attribute that would dissuade them from promoting an employee. Although companies across many fields are increasingly focused on diversity and inclusion, tattoo flaunting is still probably best reserved for post-work hours.
But what does Forbes know......
#298
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Please, Saintor, explain to us how your decision to not hire individuals with tattoos is considered under the Canadian "Bona Fide Occupational Requirements" for a manufacturing environment.
Also, please outline for the audience how it is you go about checking for the presence or absence of tattoos which might not otherwise be visible without a "thorough" body inspection. You wouldn't, after all, want to allow a "damaged" employee into the organization who just happened to "hide" their tattoo evidence.
Also, please outline for the audience how it is you go about checking for the presence or absence of tattoos which might not otherwise be visible without a "thorough" body inspection. You wouldn't, after all, want to allow a "damaged" employee into the organization who just happened to "hide" their tattoo evidence.
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Jesus fucken tap dancing Christ, as if your arguments aren't fallacious enough.
You took your personal experience with people who have tattoos
And used that to apply it to all who have tattoos
Fallacy of composition paired with anecdotal fallacy.
You took your personal experience with people who have tattoos
Fallacy of composition paired with anecdotal fallacy.
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#302
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Whiskers tattooed her ass
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#307
GEEZER
Hello and welcome to Saintor Mfg. Company. Your interview today will be long and very complete. But before that could you please disrobe? We want to make sure you don't have any tattoos.
What a fucking tool you are.
What a fucking tool you are.
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#1 STUNNA (12-31-2014)
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Kudos to institutions in the article above who think of tatoos as 'unprofessional'. Very much so.
#311
Old Man Yelling at Clouds
So my friend, a mother of three, gets a tattoo of the footprints of the child she lost at childbirth, in memory of her. Is she stupid and brain damaged? Someone you would never hire?
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#312
GEEZER
If there is anyone with brain damage here it is you.
Where dropped on your head as a child???
#313
Safety Car
Border Collies can keep the conversation headed in the right direction, Basenjis listen well, and hey, you can at least talk to a Shih Tzu.
But those Chihuahuas are much too dogmatic.
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#314
GEEZER
But those Chihuahuas are much too dogmatic.
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Most definitely.
I couldn't care less if it is a baby print or a dinosaur's fossil.
See how you took a situation, built on it in a futile attempt to create a stir, and finally made it more complicated than it is supposed to be? That's what tatoo-ed persons do. It is always more complicated with you, guys.
My life is simpler than that, thank you.
I couldn't care less if it is a baby print or a dinosaur's fossil.
See how you took a situation, built on it in a futile attempt to create a stir, and finally made it more complicated than it is supposed to be? That's what tatoo-ed persons do. It is always more complicated with you, guys.
My life is simpler than that, thank you.
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AZ never fails to shock me at least once or twice a year.
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Most definitely.
I couldn't care less if it is a baby print or a dinosaur's fossil.
See how you took a situation, built on it in a futile attempt to create a stir, and finally made it more complicated than it is supposed to be? That's what tatoo-ed persons do. It is always more complicated with you, guys.
My life is simpler than that, thank you.
I couldn't care less if it is a baby print or a dinosaur's fossil.
See how you took a situation, built on it in a futile attempt to create a stir, and finally made it more complicated than it is supposed to be? That's what tatoo-ed persons do. It is always more complicated with you, guys.
My life is simpler than that, thank you.
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Most definitely.
I couldn't care less if it is a baby print or a dinosaur's fossil.
See how you took a situation, built on it in a futile attempt to create a stir, and finally made it more complicated than it is supposed to be? That's what tatoo-ed persons do. It is always more complicated with you, guys.
My life is simpler than that, thank you.
I couldn't care less if it is a baby print or a dinosaur's fossil.
See how you took a situation, built on it in a futile attempt to create a stir, and finally made it more complicated than it is supposed to be? That's what tatoo-ed persons do. It is always more complicated with you, guys.
My life is simpler than that, thank you.
The irony is that no one in America would hire you with that attitude regardless of your ability. If you were caught doing that here you'd be fired immediately, and probably sued. Rightfully so. I've no idea who in Canada would be willing to put up with your attitude.
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