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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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Origami anyone???

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Posted Feb 24th 2006 9:18PM by Ryan Block

So today Microsoft officially flipped the switch on the buzz machine for their Origami Project -- an atypical viral marketing manuveur for a company whose products are usually known about years ahead of time. Scoble says its a device, the Internet's lighting up with rumors -- is it the Xbox portable? Well, we dunno, but as usual got our hands on some pictures. And as usual we can't guarantee they're the real deal, though we are pretty confident in their source. So, let's go over it: these were sent to us detailing it as a Microsoft portable media player, which wouldn't be too far off from what Jobs and BusinessWeek both prophesied Microsoft doing (despite being pretty broadly denied from within).

Now, here's the tricky part with these pictures -- what's with the keyboard and stylus? Because the last time we checked, their Portable Media Center (PMC) OS didn't have (known) support for touchscreen and keyboard input. So is this some new portable OS platform running on CE.net? Or perhaps it's just a fat little Pocket PC device with some media software? Or something totally different -- could Microsoft beat Apple to the punch with the first serious touchscreen portable media device? Or maybe, just maybe, it's that ultramobile lifestyle PC Microsoft was talking about recently. Kinda seems like no matter what the answer, we're all gonna be pretty surprised (for better or worse) come announcement day, March 2nd, being that Microsoft's "not in the hardware biz." (No, peripherals don't count.) But hell, we can't even tell you for sure if these photos are legit, so here we are.

P.S. There's one thing we are indeed fairly sure about: that it's not that prototype "Origami" device announced by National Semi in 2001. Seriously, c'mon, a device from 5 years ago is what Microsoft's got Scoble buzzing about? Bigger pics of this Origami after the break.

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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 03:16 PM
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Gonna have to wait for March 2nd to see what the thing really is, but I didnt think I will be into it too much.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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looks cool like that verizon phone
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Wonder if Apple will beat MS to the punch tomorrow with the ipod touch screen video
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Looks pretty cool. Kinda big for personal portability. I think I'll stick with my Debian powered Nokia...

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Microsoft entering portable gaming market

crazy. Microsoft is gonna make an announcement on March 2nd regarding their entry into the portable gaming market - codenamed "Origami"... this could be a BEAST!!!!

funny but I just thought recently, wouldn't it be nice to have a portable device - like more portable than a laptop - that has the computing power of a small laptop?? well this might be it!!

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Monday, February 27, 2006

Microsoft mystery device is like iPod, and then some

Hand-held also would be mini-PC

By TODD BISHOP
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A video of a mystery device from Microsoft Corp. was discovered online over the weekend -- fueling new speculation about the company's plans in a market dominated by Apple Computer's iPod.

ORIGAMI REVEALED?

See screen shots from a video that surfaced online over the weekend depicts a portable Microsoft device called "Origami." The company acknowledged that it's working on such a concept with partners but cautioned that the video is a year old and reflects only its initial explorations.

But the Microsoft device, if released as seen on the video, would appear to take a different approach and not compete directly with Apple's popular media player. The video shows people using the device not only as a music player, but also as a miniature personal computer for accessing the Internet, sending e-mail, editing photos and playing video games.

The video was discovered on the Web site of film production firm DigitalKitchen LLC, of which Microsoft is a client. The video refers to the device as "Origami." That's the same name as a Microsoft marketing site, OrigamiProject.com, that last week began hinting at an upcoming product announcement.

In a statement, Microsoft acknowledged that the video generally reflects "a concept we've been working on with partners." The company, which declined to identify the partners, said it would be able to share more details "in the coming weeks."

But Microsoft cautioned that the video is a year old and represents only its "initial exploration" into the concept. The video surfaced after the emergence of the OrigamiProject. com site prompted bloggers to go digging for online clues.

As shown in the video, at least, the device appears to be a small version of existing Tablet PCs that use Microsoft software. About the size of a typical book, it would give people the option of using a digital pen or a small keyboard for input. Buttons also were positioned on both sides of the color screen.

Actors in the video used the device to listen to music through plugged-in earphones, access the Internet over wireless networks, edit and transmit digital photos, draw sketches, play video games, send messages and control media on a home PC from an outside patio.

Although Microsoft cautioned that the video didn't necessarily depict a final design, the scenes showed the concept device to be noticeably larger than the iPod and somewhat bigger than Sony's PlayStation Portable.

The video game running on the Origami device in the video appeared to be a version of "Halo," the blockbuster title that fueled sales of Microsoft's original Xbox console. People in the consumer electronics industry have been watching to see if Microsoft will try to leverage its progress in video games to make up ground in portable devices -- an area where it has been eclipsed by a number of competitors.

But analyst Tim Bajarin, president of Creative Strategies Inc., said that would simply appear to reflect the device's capabilities as a small computer, rather than any specific portable "Halo" strategy. A version of "Halo" is available for PCs.

"From the video, it looks like it's more of a mainstream Windows hand-held system as opposed to one dedicated to games or any specific application," Bajarin said of the Origami device.

In that way, he said, Microsoft doesn't appear to be positioning the Origami project as a direct challenge to the iPod. "I don't see it as a threat at all to Apple's music empire," he said.

Currently, Microsoft supplies the software for portable devices that are designed by its hardware partners and marketed under their brands. It's not yet clear whether Microsoft would continue with that strategy with the Origami project, or actively design and market such a device under its own brand.

But whatever the circumstances, a miniature PC would be consistent with concepts Microsoft has discussed in the past.

Bill Gates discussed a similar mobile PC concept at a Microsoft conference in Seattle last year, showing a mock-up called the "Ultra Mobile 2007." At the time, it was merely a non-working prototype the company was using to demonstrate the types of devices it believed would be possible in the coming years.

Gates said at the time that he would like to see a device such as the Ultra Mobile have an all-day battery life, weigh less than a pound and cost as little as $800. Other Microsoft executives went even further, citing a possible target price range of $500 to $800.

Microsoft wouldn't be the only company offering miniature, full-fledged PCs, but others have been targeted primarily for business use. San Francisco-based OQO Inc. has been in the market for some time, offering small computers that run Microsoft's Windows operating system. Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen's company, Vulcan Inc., likewise has been working on a small computer called FlipStart.

If some of the scenarios in the online Origami video come to fruition, Microsoft would appear to be taking a different approach by targeting consumers.
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FWIW, Paul Thurrott from Windows IT Pro magazine doesn't believe that Origami has anything to do with the portable entertainment market. He thinks it's the culmination of a mini tablet PC prjoect that's been around for a while under the previous code name of Haiku.

Here's my take on this. Some of the rumor sites on the underbelly of the Web have been suggesting that Origami might Microsoft's "xPod," or iPod-killer. Origami is not that product. Instead, Origami is clearly aimed at pushing the bounds of the Tablet PC platform and will instead be the long-promised 9-inch Tablet PC that Microsoft first started touting two years ago.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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yea, you could never get any entertainment out of a portable tablet PC... I mean, all you'll really be using on it is Microsoft Office.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 12:02 AM
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The video for this device shows a guy playing Halo on it:

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The video for this device shows a guy playing Halo on it:

not even playing, just holding it while a video plays on it's screen.

look at the size of that thing though, jesus, it's HUGE!!!

good luck to microsoft if they want to try the portable gaming market. Sony tried that and got OWNED by nintendo. Sega tried it and same thing. Nintendo wins with portable and they will dominate for a very long time.
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Sony tried that and got OWNED by nintendo.
How did Sony get owned??? The PSP has not been a flop at all.
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How did Sony get owned??? The PSP has not been a flop at all.
dont sweat it. People that bash the PSP either dont own one, are Nintendo Marks, Or are jumping on the psp bashing bandwagon.
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while i have my beef with the psp, the nintendo ds is NOT an alternative. unlike the gamecube, the ds has few good games that appeal to the older crowd. while nintendogs is huge with small kids, psp has any games marketed towards me.

oh, i hate microsoft. as always, i'll try before i buy. that monster in the pic isn't any more portable than a laptop so they should shrink it down a bit
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umm... while large, it is FAR more portable than a typical laptop... unless you have a tablet with a 9" screen.

so when is Apple entering this portable PC/gaming market???
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umm... while large, it is FAR more portable than a typical laptop... unless you have a tablet with a 9" screen.

so when is Apple entering this portable PC/gaming market???
Not gonna happen.
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^but if they do, u know their gonna do it big.
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actualy, I meant:

so when is Apple entering this portable PC/gaming market???

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actualy, I meant:

so when is Apple entering this portable PC/gaming market???

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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
How did Sony get owned??? The PSP has not been a flop at all.
not a flop, but certainly not a big sucess. I've played several games on teh psp, and while they do look pretty good for a handheld, the screen sucks balls, there is so many trails in any games with decent 3d gameplay. sure it plays mp3's and video and pictures, but I can buy an ipod or something similar if I wanted that. The graphics of teh games just aren't worth the $250 price tag IMHO.

and sony got owned because the DS sold over twice as much as the PSP overall, and it's "less powerfull".
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Originally Posted by ghost_masterCL
not a flop, but certainly not a big sucess. I've played several games on teh psp, and while they do look pretty good for a handheld, the screen sucks balls, there is so many trails in any games with decent 3d gameplay. sure it plays mp3's and video and pictures, but I can buy an ipod or something similar if I wanted that. The graphics of teh games just aren't worth the $250 price tag IMHO.

and sony got owned because the DS sold over twice as much as the PSP overall, and it's "less powerfull".
Seeing as the DS was out first, the PSP is WAY more expensive, and Nintendo has always had a huge following in the handheld market it's not a huge surprise that they have sold more.

So what? So, the Xbox isn't a huge success because it didn't sell as many units as the PS2???

While I am not a huge fan of either. My mom has them both, and I've played when I been home on visits. They are both good in their own ways.

Plus I think the increasing amount of UMD movies constantly being released has a huge say in the PSPs success.

Get off of nintendo's nuts for two seconds and open your eyes.
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Originally Posted by ghost_masterCL
not a flop, but certainly not a big sucess. I've played several games on teh psp, and while they do look pretty good for a handheld, the screen sucks balls, there is so many trails in any games with decent 3d gameplay. sure it plays mp3's and video and pictures, but I can buy an ipod or something similar if I wanted that. The graphics of teh games just aren't worth the $250 price tag IMHO.

and sony got owned because the DS sold over twice as much as the PSP overall, and it's "less powerfull".
While the psp has it's weaknesses, the screen is NOT one of them. If you had any serious game time on it you would realize that the screen is one of the best features. If you watch a movie on it you will see that you are wrong.
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Originally Posted by srika
umm... while large, it is FAR more portable than a typical laptop... unless you have a tablet with a 9" screen.

so when is Apple entering this portable PC/gaming market???
When I look at devices, there are only 2 sizes. Small enough to fit in your pocket, and large enough to have to carry it around. no "portable game system" should be so large that you cant slide it into your pocket
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While the psp has it's weaknesses, the screen is NOT one of them. If you had any serious game time on it you would realize that the screen is one of the best features. If you watch a movie on it you will see that you are wrong.
I played GTA and death jr on it for a total of 10 hours. I got a LOT of blur in death jr, but about half as much in GTA. It made me nauseus as hell in death jr. Maybe the psp I was playing was just flawed or something. But movies do look great, I will agree on that.
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Plus I think the increasing amount of UMD movies constantly being released has a huge say in the PSPs success.
UMD will be Sony mini-disc part 2
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
UMD will be Sony mini-disc part 2
Thats because it has no life beyond on the PSP at least not at the moment.

I don't disagree...but it has taken off a lot more and faster then mini-disc ever did.
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Thats because it has no life beyond on the PSP at least not at the moment.

I don't disagree...but it has taken off a lot more and faster then mini-disc ever did.
Both of your statements are true.....but it will die very soon.
There is no reason for sony to offer a physical media format for the PSP.
Download or upload your vids to the PSP.....Sony should (& probably will) remove the UMD drive and put flash memory or an hd in it's place.

UMD is a waste.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
UMD will be Sony mini-disc part 2
I don't know if this is true or not but I've heard that while mini-disc is all but extinct in consumer electronics, it's actually alive and thriving in the radio industry.
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^^ you are very correct. It's also still thriving and very popular in Japan.

the other thing about UMD - realize that one of its main draws is its diffucult to copy. There is no easy way to copy a UMD movie, for instance. This is one of the reasons movie houses have been interested in it.
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UMD movie sales have been dropping off very rapidly lately. I can't find the article at the moment, but I remember reading that a few of the studios have cut back UMD releases due to the decline.

I think the biggest issue are the prices and the fact they only work on the PSP
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I don't know if this is true or not but I've heard that while mini-disc is all but extinct in consumer electronics, it's actually alive and thriving in the radio industry.
It was..I'm not sure it still is with the advent of flash capable media.
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
UMD movie sales have been dropping off very rapidly lately. I can't find the article at the moment, but I remember reading that a few of the studios have cut back UMD releases due to the decline.

I think the biggest issue are the prices and the fact they only work on the PSP
If sony was smart. They would come out with a portable Movie player for UMD with a bigger screen and a slimmer design due to the size of UMD...and make it cheaper then the a PSP, like $150...I think they would help them.

But no one ever said was smart in the long run.
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yeah - I would have to say UMD's are a dying breed. blasted Sony.

hey look at the bright side - they will be collector's items
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If sony was smart. They would come out with a portable Movie player for UMD with a bigger screen and a slimmer design due to the size of UMD...and make it cheaper then the a PSP, like $150...I think they would help them.

But no one ever said was smart in the long run.
Nobody wants physical media to carry around anymore.
When you go on a trip, you just want to take the media player, and not have to lug around a bunch of cd's, dvd's, or umd's.
All portable media players that are not flash or hd driven are DOA.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Nobody wants physical media to carry around anymore.
When you go on a trip, you just want to take the media player, and not have to lug around a bunch of cd's, dvd's, or umd's.
All portable media players that are not flash or hd driven are DOA.
All those cheap ass portable DVD players sold like hotcakes over xmas...
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I played GTA and death jr on it for a total of 10 hours. I got a LOT of blur in death jr, but about half as much in GTA. It made me nauseus as hell in death jr. Maybe the psp I was playing was just flawed or something. But movies do look great, I will agree on that.
I agree that it is really bad for GTA but i think it might be a problem with the graphics engine.
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