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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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graphics card question

I have this:

VisionTek Xtasy 9200 SE 128MB DDR PCI

Should this be good enough to play games with? I've had it for a while but I just tried playing command and conquer generals with it last night and it sucked....really slow.

Are there settings I need to adjust or something... or is this just not a very good graphics card?

I just ordered that lord of the rings game and I want to make sure I have a good enough card to play it...
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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sigh... same problem i have...

If you do research... trust me i've done it man.. you'll find that the PCI interface is 149803987X slower than the industry standard for Video Cards, which is AGP interface.

No matter how good the PCI card is, the data transfer rate is NOTHING compared to an AGP 4x, or 8x...

sorry beet.. the only option for us agp deprived gamers is to get a new motherboard...

If that idea tickles your pickle, there is a new interface that blows AGP out the door called
"PCIe" e means express and its rated at 16x.. so if your motherboard shopping look for a PCIe device...

BTW you can play these games with your current setup with the graphics lowered all the way and maybe a 600x800 resolution... looks like shit but it works...

and if you were going to ask, more ram, and faster processor will not affect it the way you would like it to... its all in the video card...
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:06 PM
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I have an AGP slot...

I didn't know one was better than the other.

dammit. thanks for the info though...

so...any recommendations on what new card I should get?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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im in to ATI for some reason...

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2436182

make sure it meets your system requirements and hardware connections...

theres also the same one with 256 MB for a few bucks more...

btw activshopper found that this website has it the cheapest..
http://www.dumpinggoods.com/dumpingg...2&ic=DG3366449
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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I do like ATI, but one pet peeve I have is their customer support. It's pretty decent, however it's only like 30 days for free support, there's no 800 number, and their office is in Canada so the phone charges can be expensive.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:30 PM
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Is there a reason I would be calling customer support for a graphics card? Do they have a lot of problems?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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The 9200 is way old. I just upgraded to the 9800 XT.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
The 9200 is way old. I just upgraded to the 9800 XT.
$350 for a graphics card?

good lord.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
$350 for a graphics card?

good lord.
I bought it off a buddy of mine who upgraded to a X800 XT. He sold his to me for $150.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:48 PM
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damn...

anyone have a card they want to sell me? I want a decent card but I can't really justify spending 300+ on video games.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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What kind of price range and what games to you mostly play?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
Is there a reason I would be calling customer support for a graphics card? Do they have a lot of problems?
No, probably not. Nothing's perfect though. I had an issue with one of their cards on a dual-cpu Xeon. Probably not the standard config for most people.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
damn...

anyone have a card they want to sell me? I want a decent card but I can't really justify spending 300+ on video games.
ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
Here you go.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
What kind of price range and what games to you mostly play?
I've never played any pc games. I have call of duty, command and conquer generals, and I just ordered this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=UTF8&v=glance

I want to get more of the military strategy type games.


Thanks for the link goose.. so is that what I should get? Is that overkill for the games I have?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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just check out newegg.com and search for videocards, sorted by price, and i'm sure you will find something that suits you
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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my 2 cents: for that price, I would rather go for the geforce 6600GT, rated higher in almost every test vs. the 9800 pro. you can find it for probably 200 shipped on newegg. Their service is the best! Just make sure it's compatible with your other hardware. Mainly, your motherboard.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 05:28 PM
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i'm waiting for the BFG 6600GToc to drop to 200$ and I'll snag one
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by zigzagzig
my 2 cents: for that price, I would rather go for the geforce 6600GT, rated higher in almost every test vs. the 9800 pro. you can find it for probably 200 shipped on newegg. Their service is the best! Just make sure it's compatible with your other hardware. Mainly, your motherboard.




Great card thats still somewhat reasonably priced.

I bought a 6800GT OC for $350 about 2 months ago. I still think Nvidia > ATI. But thats just my opinion.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:00 PM
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ATI makes good cars, their drivers blow chunks.

Take it from me, I've owned a 7500, a 9000, a 9500 and 9800.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
ATI makes good cars, their drivers blow chunks.

Take it from me, I've owned a 7500, a 9000, a 9500 and 9800.
My overall upgrade path:

- 3dfx Voodoo Banshee
- 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 (left over in parts bin)
- ATi Radeon
- ATi Radeon 8500
- ATi Radeon 9800 Pro (still in HTPC box)
- nVidia GeForce 6800 GT
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:25 PM
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GeForce MX 440 in both comps. The only games i play is battlefield vietnam, call of duty, and rise of nations.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:10 PM
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OK how about this...GeForce FX 5700 LE Optima 128MB DDR AGP


I really don't want to spend a ton of money, considering I hardly ever play PC games... would this work well enough?
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:25 PM
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I bought it off a buddy of mine who upgraded to a X800 XT. He sold his to me for $150.

^^ thats what i have, it works well
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
ATI makes good cars, their drivers blow chunks.

Take it from me, I've owned a 7500, a 9000, a 9500 and 9800.
If you dont like their drivers, like me, then you should switch to the Omega ATI drivers. Do a Google search and you should find them.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
OK how about this...GeForce FX 5700 LE Optima 128MB DDR AGP


I really don't want to spend a ton of money, considering I hardly ever play PC games... would this work well enough?

good enough. that thing is DX9 compatible i think
It's like, what 80-100 bucks?
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 10:51 AM
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good enough. that thing is DX9 compatible i think
It's like, what 80-100 bucks?
$124 on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...onics&n=507846
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
Spend the extra $50 and get something twice as fast:

GeForce 6600GT $178 http://www.pricewatch.com/h/prc.aspx?i=37&a=125788

Radeon X600 Pro $116 http://www.pricewatch.com/h/prc.aspx?i=37&a=136347
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
found it a little cheaper with activshopper (it really does work)

http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage....ime&id=1002364


btw www.activshopper.com finds the product you looking for and tells you the cheapest price automatically... works on MOST famous sites ie amazon, tigerdirect, etc...
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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I bought a 5700LE 128mb card for my friend for only 100$ on newegg. I think 124$ is overpriced for that card.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 12:22 PM
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ATI sucks.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slo007
ATI sucks.
ATI sucks. nVidia blows. 3dfx is dead.

Do I have to post the fanboy picture again? YES!

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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 03:57 PM
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If you dont like their drivers, like me, then you should switch to the Omega ATI drivers. Do a Google search and you should find them.


Its what i've been using for about a year now. Best ones out there
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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Get this:

http://www.buy.com/retail/Product_ju...999&dcaid=1688

Good price.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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by the way, is the 6600GT ONLY PCI-E??? I'm about to buy it, but I think my mobo (asus A7N8X-DX) is AGP/PCI slot only.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by zigzagzig
by the way, is the 6600GT ONLY PCI-E??? I'm about to buy it, but I think my mobo (asus A7N8X-DX) is AGP/PCI slot only.
The 6600 comes in both PCI-E and AGP. The one I linked to in the post over yours is AGP.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 04:34 PM
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ATI sucks. nVidia blows. 3dfx is dead.

Do I have to post the fanboy picture again? YES!

I don't see anything. You can't link photos to Tripod!!!
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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The 6600 comes in both PCI-E and AGP. The one I linked to in the post over yours is AGP.
Correct. I have the 6600 GT AGP.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by slo007
I don't see anything. You can't link photos to Tripod!!!
Fixed:

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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 04:43 PM
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Our NetApp SE was in here last week and was telling me you can apparently Soft Mod either a X800PRO to an X800XT Platinum or a 9800 Pro to a 9800 XT Platinum. I dont recall which he said he had. He did say it was the AGP model if that helps.

Anyway, the PRO he bought was like $350 and the XT Plat version was over $600.
All he had to do was stuff the BIOS of the XT Plat into the PRO and it unlocked the extra 4 pipelines and ran like a bat out of hell. He said he pushed it back to PRO and then again to XT Plat just to double check the increase in FPS he was seeing was really just because of that. Was getting anywhere from 20-40% better FPS in the games he was testing.
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