jimcol711

too bad acura doesnt have the BALLS to step up to the plate and admit their trannys are fucked

nate'sCLS

This one you are looking at is red, correct?
I'd say go with it, cloth seats are no big thing... they even come standard on an entry Mercedes now days... WTF is happening in the world :shakehd: :shakehd:

Crazy Bimmer

I always knew there was somthing wrong with you.

peiqinglong

//M3

krazyplaya213

well considering if you want all luxery or all power...the m3 is bad....and has a ton of horsepower...but the330ci with everything....would be phat as well...so do you want speed or would you rather just get looked at as having a nice car!!!!

Crazy Bimmer

opps, the car is a 2002.

nate'sCLS

Buy It if you like the car.
When I bought my Acura CL in Feb. 2002, I did not ask for any approval on here-- It was slightly used--I loved it (knowing full well what to expect) and have no regrets...

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Dude... just get it.... the M3 is fucking hot!! I'm so sweating you right now... I'd trade my car in in a heartbeat if I could get a deal like that... who cares if I couldn't drive it in the snow!!

One thing I don't understand is the arguement that a fully loaded 330 is better then the M3 b/c it has cloth. Please... that's like driving a fully loaded Mustang with everything, even the GT rims.... but it's a four cylinder. All show and no go... that's weak.

M3... all the way. I hope it works out for you!!

BNut

Man go for the M3 all the way!

You would have tp be BRAIN DEAD to get an M3 with all leather seats! You don't buy an M3 to pimp ho's on the strip, that's what the 330i is for... you buy an M3 so you can rip up the roads and if your azz is sliding all over in those stupid leather seats that just ain't right.

In fact I went through all crazy kind of hoops with BMW to order my 330Ci with cloth sports seats that have the leather trim similiar to the M3 seats.

Cool thing is they actually cost LESS than the full leather seats. $680 vs $1,450

1SICKLEX

No, I would not.:thumbsdn: :wackit:

Zapata

I think the problems in the M3 engines are a bit more widespread than CL/TL trannies.

Crazy Bimmer

ok.. guys, done deal.


Im buying the M3, everything is all set for it. I just need to get a loan and pick it up.

Blown engine here i come.

And you know i will post pics when i get it...

Crazy Bimmer

How so? How many E46 M3 been made? I know its alot less than the cl/tl. So i was just wondering. The engine problems from people online are at 49 right now. But BMW is fixing it under warrenty, oh and get this, if it does go... then i wont be stuck with some intergra. BMW actually gives you a decent loaner. :P


OK im done being a snob.

Chaptorial

Smart man. Congrats on the new purchase.

And change that sig!

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Very, very sweet... can't wait to see those pics!!

Loseit

iTrader: (1)

Dude!!!!!!!!! Come over!! I gotta see this thing first hand!!

Crazy Bimmer

Let me get it first.
I will set up a acura/bmw meet so this way i can show it off better.

Ashburner

I hope it's not red. BMW's look gay in red.

-Ash

JRock

I'd never buy a 3series BMW (unless maybe an M3) because I'd feel like such a poseur and too much like everyone else with $40k to spend on a car.

JRock

I've got a bridge for you in Brooklyn and some sweet-ass ocean-front property in Nevada.

I take it you believe every bit of propaganda a company puts out.

Tom2

Here's a word of advice from someone who already owns an E46 M3 ( that has a blown engine, I might add):

Bad move. Why would you knowingly buy a $50,000 car that DEFINITELY has an engine that can easily blow up? As far as BMW has admitted, the problem with these engines are bearing clearances that are too tight. Let me translate that for you-- It means that if you drive your car in the upper rpm ranges, it WILL fail. Not maybe..... but definitely.

On the other hand, if you baby it all the time, you may never have to bring it back to your BMW dealer for a new engine. But why own an M3 if you're never gonna really drive it hard?

That being said, I think you'd be a total fool to buy an M3 right now. If you're willing to buy used, why not wait another year and buy a used one with an engine that has proper bearing clearances?

You might be thinking, "yeah, well mine MIGHT not blow up and even if it does, I'll get a nice loaner from BMW to drive around". LOL, if only it were that easy. BMW is taking these accounts on a case by case basis. They can easily look into the DME and see exactly how the car has been driven (speeds/rpm/duration etc) and then decide whether to fix the engine under warranty or not. By the way, don't think you'll automatically get a brand new engine, either. They have the option of giving you a rebuilt engine also. And as far as the nice loaner car, well, expect to be driving a base model 325i (four door) with an automatic tranny. Basically, a bottom barrel Bimmer.

Anyway, knowing what I know now, I'd rather have a 330Ci than an M3. At least until they fix this shitty problem.

dhlesq

I didn't get to the board in time to give my suggestion,
but WAY To GO.

I'm really wishing I were in your position.

I think the M3 is consistently one of the most desireable cars on the road, especially if you want sport/luxury.

Have fun with it, and if it's true that the motor problems are for a certain range of production dates, I hope you are outside the danger time.

Marc S

Its a 2002 M3, forget about the seats, you got 333 HP in that bitch Id definately go for the M3.

Tom2

Okay, put down your crack pipe.....

You heard wrong. Do a little research and you'll see that it is much more widespread than that.

Crazy Bimmer

I did... heres a chart someone came up with



But I think thats out of 49 cars. Thats whats been said.

Tom2

Did you know that 2002 M3s continue to have blown engine problems? Where's that in your pie chart?

Anyway, you're missing the point.

It's not like this is a hit-or-miss problem here. All M3 engines were built with this engineering flaw. The people that have M3s that haven't had engine failure yet are not lucky. They just haven't driven their cars hard for any extended period of time.

If you're willing to deal with all this bullshit, then go for it. I just know I wouldn't do it all over again. I'd wait......

Zapata

It's true! With mods CLS will out right stomp the 330ci.....330ci will look good going slow.

GoldieAlek

if you buy M3 you will want leather some day ........... and that aint cheep .......... best adivise is dont rush ! and take your time looking for car !

i have cloth and i wish i had leather ......... i bet people with leather would say different .......... leather just looks so much better !

Crazy Bimmer

tom2 thanks man.


Can you show me where you find your info? I would like to read up on it.

Tom2

To tell you the truth, most of the information that I have learned about this fiasco is first hand knowledge. My house is only a few miles away from BMW North America and I have a few really good connections there. I don't want to go into my association with BMW NA, but trust me when I tell you that I've heard a few things from the top.

There's also a ton of good info on the web too.

Have you seen Jason's roadfly page? Is that where you found the pie chart? If not, definitely check it out.

You can also find bits and pieces in a lot of the other BMW forums. (bimmerforums.com, e46fanatics.com, bmwplanet.com, bmwworld.com, roadfly.com etc....)

Crazy Bimmer

When did you buy your m3? Didnt your connections tell you not to get it if it had problems?

Tom2

Nope, I bought it too early. I was early on the list. If I had known, I definitely would have waited, but I was too eager to get in early.

I actually took delivery of my car in Florida. I left it down there for a few months before getting a chance to drive it up to New York. I was barely past break-in mileage before my engine died

BigPimp

Crazy, I would listed to Tom2, he got his info straight and he is an owner with a blown engine. I know you are very eager to jump into this car, I would be too, but it would suck to drive a 325 and pay for an m3.

Crazy Bimmer

well yea i would listen to tom2.. but he hasnt really given me any soild facts. He just says he has connections that he hears from. I mean not to be rude, but thats not very vaild to me.


Im stubborn and I will get the car, if i have problems then i will say sorry, and learn from my mistakes.

Gabo3k

For that much money and still buying a used car, why not look at at a "Porsche".

Excellent engineering (no engine blow ups here).

You won't have to worry about running into one without leather. A car above even 30K without leather is like a porn star without implants (not necessary, but very visually stimulating).

Looks better.

And are more exclusive.

I'd drop the BMW (and it's enginerring flaws) and go for the only car ever to be labeled as over-engineered.

Oh, by the way, I only mention this because you seek performance (M3). "Porsche has the best racing record in history".

jimcol711

dude, this is still a no brainer, even with the engine problems, i mean, christ, obviously its under warrenty....so who really cares? if it blows, it blows and then you get a loaner for awhile for free, AND you keep the milage down on your M3 which is a good thing while you get your new motor, then you will be all set....who cares about the engine problems, get the car

Tom2

Yeah, it's your choice to make. But you will be sorry. I know that I am.....


You want solid facts? Okay, it's a solid fact that BMW built M3 engines with too tight bearing clearances and they blow up in the upper rpm ranges.

How's that for solid facts? If that's not enough for you, NOTHING will be......

Of course you can be just like the idiots that say not to worry about the blown engine problems........ But they're obviously ignorant. I don't expect to get my M3 back in the same condition after an engine swap. Not even cosmetically.

Gabo3k

I would have to strongly agree, of course unless I have money growing from trees, then I wouldn't care.

Even then, the thought of an engine possibly blowing on a date or on a far-away trip is hard to bear. Oh well, that's the main reason why I drive an Acura and not an M3, I know that if I maintain the engine I'll get some good millage before it farts alound!

nate'sCLS

Get an M3 like this and be the only on your block to have such a rare beauty...

SFLA_Type-S

:shakehd: :shakehd: :thumbsdn: