Who wants their car to run on water?
08-08-2012, 02:37 AM
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Who wants their car to run on water?
Apparently you can make your car run on hydrogen very easily, which will act as a hydrogen/gas hybrid; not to be confused with a standard hybrid which is electric/gas. The skinny is this: you buy the kit and it increases the milage by 15-25%, with our cars thats pretty good. The fuel to power the hydrogen generator is plain distilled water.
I definitely dont have the expertise to convert my car but I know someone on this site does- Roger comes to mind LOL. The cost of the kit is $800. The link is below. And before you guys call BS read the FAQs.
http://stores.homestead.com/hydrogen...ell/Detail.bok
I definitely dont have the expertise to convert my car but I know someone on this site does- Roger comes to mind LOL. The cost of the kit is $800. The link is below. And before you guys call BS read the FAQs.
http://stores.homestead.com/hydrogen...ell/Detail.bok
08-08-2012, 02:40 AM
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sure, it sounds like a great idea. for the environment and your wallet. what kind of power loss would you experience? why not just buy a cheap car and do this to it rather than do it to your beautiful v6?
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08-08-2012, 02:45 AM
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only PARTLY true. there is a limit when more oxygen stops contributing to the reaction. it's called the limiting reagent in any reaction. When oxygen is the limiting reagent, adding more will contribute to the reaction but when you add so much, then another chemical will be the limiting reagent. Same concept in any internal combustion engine, the air to fuel ratio must be a certain amount so they are not bottlenecking each other
yes the idea of making things run on water is very ideal....because water holds a lot of energy. water has one of the highest heat capacities in the world for a reason. however I'm still skeptical about having it in mass production for at least 5-10 years
yes the idea of making things run on water is very ideal....because water holds a lot of energy. water has one of the highest heat capacities in the world for a reason. however I'm still skeptical about having it in mass production for at least 5-10 years
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^^^ Yea, I wanna do this.
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08-08-2012, 10:26 PM
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Hmm, ever did a high school experiment in chemistry class where pure oxygen was ignited? Anything infused with oxygen burns more efficiently. Thats why their is nitrous-oxide. More efficiency = better performance in this case. Take a look at this youtube video. Its the same concept being applied:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU
Where's a update with this guy? This video is old as piss...
clearly it's worth a try on a heap like that 94 ford.. would I trust spending 800 dollars on something like this on a 20k dollar car? Not a chance.
08-09-2012, 03:21 PM
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Sorry to break your bubble, but this won't likely work. I say "won't likely" rather than straight out "won't work" because I'm a believer in ingenuity and that the status quo can be broken. But before you go out and spend $800 you may want to do further homework.
I'll try to explain it very basically but I'll likely nerd out big time
. This device (and all other HHO electrolyzers) works by using electrical power from your alternator to split the oxygen and hydrogen in water, then delivering the oxygen and hydrogen to the engine which can be burned. Adding oxygen and hydrogen to an engine is great! Both have a good amout of potential chemical energy and burn totally clean. Here's the problem:
Water is a very stable chemical compound. Which is the reason there's so much of it around. A significant amount of energy is required in order to break it into relativly unstable compounds (elemental oxygen and hydrogen). This energy comes in the form of electrical current from your alternator. Electricity can do all sorts of crazy things including breaking chemical compounds apart. But, unfortunately, per the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of energy, there is no way that you can take one form of energy (ie. electricity), use it to perform work (ie. breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen) and GAIN energy. In fact, per the 2nd law of thermodymanics, you'll actually lose energy in the process. Meaning that the amount of energy you contribute to this electrolysis process will actually be higher than the energy from the elemental oxygen and hydrogen you gain.
Hydrogen powered vehicles on the other hand are completely legit. The hydrogen they use are a byproduct of nuclear fission. A great deal of energy is "leftover" from fission and can be harnessed to create elemental hydrogen. But make no mistake, a great deal of energy is required to break hydrogen and oxygen apart. Your alternator can do it just as well as a nuclear reactor. But it doesn't work for free. Every bit of power required by your alternator to break water apart to create hydrogen and oxygen, is a little bit of gasoline your engine has to use to counter the mechanical drag your alternator is making on your engine. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Water does not burn. Oxygen and hydrogen burn. When they burn (combine in the presence of a catalyst), they form water. Water is the equivilent to Carbon Dioxide from Gas. Gas burns with oxygen and forms carbon dioxide. Does CO2 burn? Of course not. Because it's a very low energy compound just like water. But if you broke the carbon and oxygen away from each other, (the carbon would need to be put back into a chain or ring like sugar, gas, oil, cellulose [wood] first) then they'd burn all day!
Every once in a great while back in the middle ages, mankind managed to break a universal "law" and create something great. Who know's maybe this will happen again. But your chances of breaking the laws of thermodynamics are pretty slim. They're pretty well tried and tested.
I'll try to explain it very basically but I'll likely nerd out big time
. This device (and all other HHO electrolyzers) works by using electrical power from your alternator to split the oxygen and hydrogen in water, then delivering the oxygen and hydrogen to the engine which can be burned. Adding oxygen and hydrogen to an engine is great! Both have a good amout of potential chemical energy and burn totally clean. Here's the problem:Water is a very stable chemical compound. Which is the reason there's so much of it around. A significant amount of energy is required in order to break it into relativly unstable compounds (elemental oxygen and hydrogen). This energy comes in the form of electrical current from your alternator. Electricity can do all sorts of crazy things including breaking chemical compounds apart. But, unfortunately, per the laws of thermodynamics and conservation of energy, there is no way that you can take one form of energy (ie. electricity), use it to perform work (ie. breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen) and GAIN energy. In fact, per the 2nd law of thermodymanics, you'll actually lose energy in the process. Meaning that the amount of energy you contribute to this electrolysis process will actually be higher than the energy from the elemental oxygen and hydrogen you gain.
Hydrogen powered vehicles on the other hand are completely legit. The hydrogen they use are a byproduct of nuclear fission. A great deal of energy is "leftover" from fission and can be harnessed to create elemental hydrogen. But make no mistake, a great deal of energy is required to break hydrogen and oxygen apart. Your alternator can do it just as well as a nuclear reactor. But it doesn't work for free. Every bit of power required by your alternator to break water apart to create hydrogen and oxygen, is a little bit of gasoline your engine has to use to counter the mechanical drag your alternator is making on your engine. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Water does not burn. Oxygen and hydrogen burn. When they burn (combine in the presence of a catalyst), they form water. Water is the equivilent to Carbon Dioxide from Gas. Gas burns with oxygen and forms carbon dioxide. Does CO2 burn? Of course not. Because it's a very low energy compound just like water. But if you broke the carbon and oxygen away from each other, (the carbon would need to be put back into a chain or ring like sugar, gas, oil, cellulose [wood] first) then they'd burn all day!
Every once in a great while back in the middle ages, mankind managed to break a universal "law" and create something great. Who know's maybe this will happen again. But your chances of breaking the laws of thermodynamics are pretty slim. They're pretty well tried and tested.
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Great post 
Thanks x1000.
Thanks x1000.
08-12-2012, 10:57 AM
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losiglow speaks troof!
08-12-2012, 11:53 AM
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Apparently you havent seen the hundreds of millions Honda and BMW have sunk into their hydrogen fuel cell cars...
The best minds in the world are working on these things, the main issue right now is the cost of precious metals involved. Once a cheaper substitute is found, there may be a future for it.
The best minds in the world are working on these things, the main issue right now is the cost of precious metals involved. Once a cheaper substitute is found, there may be a future for it.
08-12-2012, 08:49 PM
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Iceland has been experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. They actually have one of the first commercial hydrogen filling stations on the planet. With hydrogen fuel cells nothing is burned, you're taking hydrogen and oxygen and passing them thru the fuel cell and the output is water and electricity.
As losiglow mentioned - you can't create hydrogen without spending energy, but that's where Iceland is trying to use it's plentiful hydroelectric power to separate hydrogen out of water. The biggest problem with using hydrogen for fuel is the storage and transfer.
Edit - oh and OP - it's a scam... just look at the one line: Endorsed by Bob Boyce®
As losiglow mentioned - you can't create hydrogen without spending energy, but that's where Iceland is trying to use it's plentiful hydroelectric power to separate hydrogen out of water. The biggest problem with using hydrogen for fuel is the storage and transfer.
Edit - oh and OP - it's a scam... just look at the one line: Endorsed by Bob Boyce®
08-13-2012, 12:40 PM
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I have a cold fusion machine to sell........
08-13-2012, 12:44 PM
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Iceland has been experimenting with Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. They actually have one of the first commercial hydrogen filling stations on the planet. With hydrogen fuel cells nothing is burned, you're taking hydrogen and oxygen and passing them thru the fuel cell and the output is water and electricity.
As losiglow mentioned - you can't create hydrogen without spending energy, but that's where Iceland is trying to use it's plentiful hydroelectric power to separate hydrogen out of water. The biggest problem with using hydrogen for fuel is the storage and transfer.
As losiglow mentioned - you can't create hydrogen without spending energy, but that's where Iceland is trying to use it's plentiful hydroelectric power to separate hydrogen out of water. The biggest problem with using hydrogen for fuel is the storage and transfer.
I'm doing my best to drive a Honda FCX while I'm there. Already in touch with someone about it.
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08-13-2012, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Someone wise
A fool and their money will soon be parted.
08-13-2012, 03:41 PM
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That's my competition!!!!!My product is superior, but the competition has the "catchy" name.
People are buying a vastly inferior product....but they are doing so because they love the "catchy" product name.
If only I had thought of such a cool name....
08-13-2012, 03:45 PM
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08-14-2012, 06:49 PM
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thats why you would likely buy it from a lab supply place. my school has a separate handle on every faucet for distilled water, we use that shit like regular tap water, we use likely over a gallon or two per lab class, atleast. DI water is just marked up for the public most likely
08-14-2012, 11:33 PM
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Do you really think your school has bottles of distilled water connected to the tap? They likely have distilling equipment to produce their own distilled water from tap water.
Wanna guess what that would cost?
Wanna guess what that would cost?
08-15-2012, 12:05 AM
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Refining oil isn't cheap either. 
08-15-2012, 01:57 AM
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i actually thought that we had little men that came and poured D.I. straight into the faucet every time i hit that lever...
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