In saying no, and in relating the 8 DCT software flash to the safety problem of the 9 ZF, a casual reader might infer that the two are equally as bad and pressing an issue.

Was it your intention to say that the 8 DCT and 9 ZF were having similar problems, or do you understand that they are of very different levels of importance?

 

No, their inhouse 8DCT is having teething issues too.

https://acurazine.com/forums/problem...issues-920749/

https://acurazine.com/forums/problem...eutral-920706/

From my understanding the problem with the 9 speed is just the parking pawl not actually going fully into position when put in park due to apparent contamination during assembly.

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reread what you typed, then my response.

The NO was to your comment saying
No, The transmissions they designed/built arent fine, and DO have issues. Hence my comment of them having teething issues.



No where did i imply that they are similar issues. They are NOT. Im not sure where you would think i would imply they were, or that they had the same amount of importance??? (software or mechanical, regardless is still an issue though)

 

Yes. Early cars, solved with software flashes. Very different from the 9 ZF issue.

Yes. Unfortunately, (1)it is a real safety issue and (2)it points to an assembly procedure at ZF that makes people suspicious.

To be honest, and I know I'm in the minority, I hope they get away from ZF sooner than later.

It's probably partly the result of my observing in the past that I probably should avoid talking to you wherever possible.

:-)

And partly the result of the manner and place where you said, no, because we were talking about the 9 ZF safety issue.

 

And...all this transmission talk makes me fear for my 7 DCT, even though there's absolutely no sign of anything other than excellence so far, with 3000 miles.

 

The first five generations of the ES were based on the Camry. Only the current sixth generation (2013+) ES is based on the Avalon.

 

That's why you get a 6MT.

And I see crapload of ES on the road... actually all of Lexus models... like everywhere in LA.

 

i have learned long time ago not to trust Honda's auto tranny......

In house or OEM.. it does not matter, it is a curse.

 

My first car 2000 Accord AT needed a new tranny.. 2005 TL was okay though.

 

The only automatic Honda trannys we didn't have issues with were on 02 and 04 Oddys and so far on an 09 Accord. Most of the others have been manual or had the TC replaced (MDX).

 

Oh.. my dad's 2006 or 07 Oddys had a tranny problem too.. forgot about that.

 

my 06 accord with close to 100k miles is showing sign of jerkiness in shifting in lower gear...

I thought about getting a TLX to replace it... i guess not

 

The jerkiness you'd feel in the TLX is that of the car hitting the wall/car behind you because the park pin failed to engage.

It's that kind of thrill.

 

Now that qualifies for a Thrill. I guess that is what Acura really meant.

 

LOL.... You guys are just brutal.

 

Funny that I see more people in 1999-2002 TL's becasue they were bomb proof compared to the crap these days.

 

I was speaking with someone recently about the phenomenon that when you get beyond a certain price range, everybody seems to be leasing instead of buying.

This means that small usability issues and some reliability issues don't matter as much, and it means that far fewer people above a certain price are getting cars that they intend to keep for 100,000 or more miles.

:-(

 

Corrected

On the other hand, no issues with Honda's implementation of CVT trannys in the accords, civics, fits, etc.

 

Double post.

 

If i recall correctly, 1999-2000 TL were the 4speed from Accord.

rest of the 2gen TL had the same glass tranny.

 

Yep. It has the tranny from the Accord. Main reason why you see many still on the road.

 

Those early V6 accord tranny was not really all that reliable either.

 

ONLY the 99 had the 4 speed. The 00-03 base and type-s both had the glass 5 speed.

 

Is that a sign the transmission is going?

Like it's not exactly thrilled about the idea?

 

you have to go pre 1998 to have any reliable auto from Honda.


I never understood why they put the filters where you could not replace them if needed...

the 98+ 4AT had differential bearing issues, weak 2nd gear shaft lubrication, and insufficient oil flow to 2nd gear clutch pack. The current revision of that transmission has increased oil flow to 2nd gear clutch pack, enlarged oil passages for 2nd gear shaft, and the internal filter was moved to be an external inline with the trans cooler. They also revised the differential carrier bearings to make them out of better quality steel.

the 5AT was fixed for good (or at least as good as it is going to get) in 2007 with a new case design with enlarged oil passages. They never did address the internal filter problem though. This is the transmission that 07 accord v6 uses and people are having great success with when installing them in older CL/TL/Accords that use the 5at. The oil jet kit is no longer required with the new case transmissions

 

I think that is just how Honda Tranny is when it gets older..

Those early to mid 90 Civic and Accord auto tranny feels like you are power shifting in a Manual car from 1-2-3.

I am selling my REAL Accord soon before the transmission gets worse.

 

^ On those cars Honda does not retard timing during the shift hence the extra firm feel but they do last a very long time 500K out of one is not unreasonable...

 

I'm hoping ... But I have a 2003 AV6 so I'm assuming I have the same POS transmission as the CL/TL/Oddy?

 

Guessing you don't have the V6 but our 07 AV6, the transmission is the same as the one in the 3G TL so changing out the pressure switches made a huge difference in quality for that transmission. Next up is to swap out that stupid filter that the dealer keeps telling me doesn't exist.

Change the pressure switches, makes a huge difference. Same procedure as 04-06 3G TL.

 

not V6. 2.4 Vtec baby

i did not get the V6 for only 1 reason... its tranny.

 

yes

all of the V6 5at that are 3 shaft design are essentially the same transmission. This includes 01-03 TL 04-06TL 03-06 Accord, Oddessy, etc.

 

When the transmission shits itself, rather than getting on the failure hamster wheel, can you replace it with a newer transmission from the 7.5G AV6 or does that still have problems too?

 

But 2nd gen TL guys are putting in 06-07 accord trans which seem to be reliable.

 

07 accord trans seems to be good choice as you don't hear of them croaking...

btw, it is any thing pre 1998 that will pretty much last the life of the car

 

Looks like a new transmission is about $3K :/

Oh well, cross that bridge.

 

The 00-03 TL and CL did infact have an external filter that could be replaced

And the problem for the 5 speeds 2nd gear shaft WAS fixed. it was fixed with the oil jet and what the recall was for. The problem we all had was lack of coolant getting to the 3rd gear clutch packs and that wasnt fixed until 06-07 on the accord and the different trans bell housing 06-07 TL

 

Yes the differential filter but the never addresses the issue of the internal filters getting clogged. I also addressed the internal lubrication by stating new case with enlarged oil passages

 

ive torn apart 2 of the 5 speed trans now and never saw a clogged filter. what i saw the most was clogged solenoids/screens

 

My 99 Saber (2G TL) had the 2.5L V6 and the 4AT. It had the shudders at the 2nd and 3rd gear shift points, sometimes slipping. I sold it once that started to happen, and I only hd 78K kilometers on her (if I remember correctly).

Seeing the troubles of the newer ones now (as referenced above) keeps me away from Acura. I really like the prices on the 4G TL's (and a nice matching paint job on the beak would go a long way), but they are hard to look at. I was hoping the TLX would be something special, but it seems to be blandness, refined.

 

I saw an RLX yesterday, and in all seriousness I thought it was a new Buick.

 

I remember seeing an RLX on the freeway and thought the same exact thing

I will admit though, the styling really isn't that bad. Aftermarket wheels, a slight drop, and a kit goes a long way with these cars.