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Old 10-20-2008, 02:47 PM
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What are the 10 best sleeper cars you can buy today?

http://wot.motortrend.com/6306465/mi...ght/index.html
(0-60 times on the end)
10. Honda Civic Si sedan (197-hp four-cylinder, 6.7 sec)
9. Mazdaspeed3 (263-hp turbo-four, 5.8 sec)
8. Hyundai Genesis V-8 (368-hp V-8, 5.8 sec)
7. Chevrolet Cobalt SS sedan/HHR SS (260-hp turbo-four, 5.5 sec/250-hp turbo-four, 6.3 sec)
6. Volvo S80 V-8 (311-hp V-8, 6.0 sec)
5. Buick Lacrosse Super (300-hp V-8, 5.7 sec)
4. Honda Accord V-6 (271-hp V-6, 5.5 sec)
3. Subaru Legacy GT Spec B (243-hp turbo-four, 5.4 sec)
2. Lexus GS 460 (342-hp V-8, 5.2 sec)
1. Audi S8 (450-hp V-10, 4.9 sec)
Honorable Mention: Chevrolet Impala SS, Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8, Saab 9-3 Aero, Audi S4/S4 Avant, Audi S6/S6 Avant
Old 10-20-2008, 02:51 PM
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5.5 FOR THE COMMON V6 ACCORD!? REALLY...

BTW, the time for the Gensis seems super-slow for 368 hp in a small coupe.
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I fail to see how any Audi S car is a sleeper.

The Genesis is the large sedan; the eight isn't offered in the coupe.
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haha, maybe they thought S stood for sleeper
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damn...all these cars are faster then my 99TL :-(
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There is no way the Accord is that fast.
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it was probably the 6-6 coupe. i dont see whats so hard to believe it, it has 9hp,5tq less then the 07 TL-S and weighs 117lbs less.
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Originally Posted by phile
There is no way the Accord is that fast.
neither is the m3 but it depends what your opinion of "fast" is


shit a jet will own any car.. so its fast.
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Originally Posted by LIPPSTUH
neither is the m3 but it depends what your opinion of "fast" is


shit a jet will own any car.. so its fast.
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I think the term sleeper is a bit elastic, what is a sleeper to some may not be to others. I think car people over estimate non-car people's knowledge of cars, I honestly don't think most normal car owners know the difference from a M3 to a 328i, by appearance or spec. Some clown the other day asked how I liked the V4 in my S2000 when I was filling up at the gas station.

Personally I don't think a Civic Si is a sleeper or fast, I appreciate the car for what it is, but I look at everyone that passes and a 6.7sec. 0-60 is far from impressive. I think a 335i sedan is a sleeper to most, it really doesn't look as fast as it is, and is indistinguishable from a 328i to the untrained eye.
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Audi S anything (S4, S5, S6, S8) is definitely not a sleeper.
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new cars are not sleepers no matter how slow the base version is.
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the only real sleeper on there is the legacy, most people only know of the impreza to be a racer boy car
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Originally Posted by ThermonMermon
5.5 FOR THE COMMON V6 ACCORD!? REALLY...

BTW, the time for the Gensis seems super-slow for 368 hp in a small coupe.
Based on the commercials I've seen, plus the fact that the list does not mention that it's a coupe (is the coupe even out yet?), I'm thinking that time is for the currently available Genesis Sedan.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Based on the commercials I've seen, plus the fact that the list does not mention that it's a coupe (is the coupe even out yet?), I'm thinking that time is for the currently available Genesis Sedan.
The V-8 part is what gives it away
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S8 a sleeper?!?!

FAIL of a list.
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The V-8 part is what gives it away
Not sure I understand this reply. From what I have read the V8 will be available in the coupe once it is available as well being a current option in the sedan.

So saying V8 could imply either...however, the coupe is not out yet which is the confusing part of his reply.
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Not sure I understand this reply. From what I have read the V8 will be available in the coupe once it is available as well being a current option in the sedan.

So saying V8 could imply either...however, the coupe is not out yet which is the confusing part of his reply.
wow, I thought the coupe would only get a V6

A V8 Hyundai coupe, that would be a real sleeper
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I'm not sure the V8 Genesis sedan is out either. Is it?? I thought they were unloading the V6' sedans first, and then the V8's are coming out at a later time...
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Originally Posted by LIPPSTUH
neither is the m3 but it depends what your opinion of "fast" is


shit a jet will own any car.. so its fast.
No, I'm not arguing the definition of fast. I'm arguing that the Accord cannot possibly perform in that capability.
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
it was probably the 6-6 coupe. i dont see whats so hard to believe it, it has 9hp,5tq less then the 07 TL-S and weighs 117lbs less.
But still...5.5? Isn't that BMW 335i territory?
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Road and Track has the Accord Coupe at a 5.9 second 0-60 time.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ccordCoupe.pdf
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That's more like it.
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5.9 is very believable for the 6MT Accord coupe. That engine is very underrated.
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actually 5.5 does seem extreme seeing how the new TL with a 3.7 SH-AWD is suppose to be 5.5.....
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The last gen AV6 6speed was seeing really low 14's...I don't see whats so hard to believe.
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*cough*13.9*cough*
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
actually 5.5 does seem extreme seeing how the new TL with a 3.7 SH-AWD is suppose to be 5.5.....
Exactly. I've never seen the Accord MT @ 5.5. 5.9, OK I can see that. Most tests put it in the low 6's. But 5.5...
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Originally Posted by phile
But still...5.5? Isn't that BMW 335i territory?
Actually, the BMW 335i sedan is a sleeper in the best sense of the word- 0-60 in 4.8-5.2 and quarter mile in the mid-to-high 13s in 6M form- and looks like a plain 4-door compact import, esp. with the stock wheels.

The 535i might fit in as a sleeper, less than five-tenths slower than the 335i in 0-60 and quarter-mile.

The newest V6 Camry SE is a second slower than the 335i, but is competitive with the Accord V6.
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Originally Posted by Will Y.
Actually, the BMW 335i sedan is a sleeper in the best sense of the word- 0-60 in 4.8-5.2 and quarter mile in the mid-to-high 13s in 6M form- and looks like a plain 4-door compact import, esp. with the stock wheels.

The 535i might fit in as a sleeper, less than five-tenths slower than the 335i in 0-60 and quarter-mile.

The newest V6 Camry SE is a second slower than the 335i, but is competitive with the Accord V6.
even more of a sleeper with a chip
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hey i have a 07 honda accord v6 i know the 2006 and 2007 yr accord the automatic v6 did 0 to 60 in 6.6 and the six speed sedan accord and coupe did it in 5.9 as well so the coupe is prolly round the same 0 to 60 time and the 4 dr accord is around the same 0 to time as well in like 6.5 secs i think not to sure..ttyl guys be safe
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c'mon. an audi S as a sleeper?

and i believe the genesis coupe will only get the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. i haven't read any news of the v8 being in the coupe. but it's been awhile since i've been in the coupe thread.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
S8 a sleeper?!?!

FAIL of a list.
that ain't sleeper.
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the only real sleeper on there is the legacy, most people only know of the impreza to be a racer boy car


STi longblock ftw
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Regarding the Genesis:

1) The coupe is getting a turbo 4 and a V6. This is based on information from Hyundai. And I've been in the coupe thread recently...no new news, just bitching about the dip on rear quarter window (guilty ).

2) The V8 isn't available in the US at this point (that I'm aware of), but it is being advertised on TV and the magazines have been given one to test drive. Therefore, official times are readily available.


jb - if you have new info that supercedes #1, please post a link...I (and I'm sure others) would be very interested in it.
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Never heard a thing about the Genesis coupe getting the V8. 3.8L V6 and Turbo I4 only. Pretty sure that's been confirmed by Hyundai.
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I only remember what I read in car rags. It's definitely possible that things have changed since I read that information. It's not really a car that I've been following closely
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
*cough*13.9*cough*
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very very impressive numbers...

Why would someone purchase Camry over Accord?
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Why would someone purchase Camry over Accord?
Four reasons I can think of:
1) More plush, less stiff ride on the Camry
2) The Camry used to have the quieter interior
3) Preference for Toyotas over Hondas
4) Loves ugly, boring cars
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woot for the cobalt making the list!


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