allmotor is confused

modaddict dynoed 240 on his tl-s WITH OUT HEADERS, so a blown cl-s or tl-s w/ headers should be right in between 260-270ish

 

All this talk of mods and hp for the money invested makes me glad I own a Mustang.

Maybe it's just me, as I'm sure it is, but why not just get a used LS1 Camaro or TA and have a low 13 second car bone stock. Leave the CL/TL to be the nice comfortable daily driver. RWD, solid axle, low tech cars are designed to go fast, and have the supporting strength to support crazy hp levels. The 5AT in the CL can barely take the stock hp level without taking a shit (or so it seems), and I'm sure the stock clutch and 6 speed aren't designed to run anything in the 13's. :o

Just my opinion.

 

it's just you ...we dont want a muscle car...we want our car and we want it to go faster ,handle better,and look better,and we enjoy the fact that people get surprised at how well it can do those things

 

I love the thrill of surprising unsuspecting G owners and bimmer owners... it's fun.

 

yea, but i wouldnt mind having a ls1 that can run loww 11's, for 2500 dollars u can add new heads and cams that will has 170whp!!, add a 150 shot of gas and you'll have a car that can get u into serious trouble, if i had $$$ to but alot od cars that would be on my list

 

with just a 1.9 it''ll be 13.5 assuming the rest stays the same ...now subtract 50lbs worth of rotational mass..and another 50 of dead weight....exhaust,b pipe ,ur pulley,piggy back,40 doesnt sound so far fetched but thats assuming 10 from the exhaust combo and 10 from the pulley...oh did i mention im hoping the ecu to eliminate the rev limiter,change lower the vtec engagement point ,and allow for fuel curve and timing adjustments,maybe my mph was off not sure but,i do think the number is achievable....btw again please dont take this the wrong way ,and this will be the last i say about this in this thread but i've gone 2.0 atleast 10 times and the day i ran my PB it was 14.0 at 101 13.9 at 102 13.84 at 101 and 13.794 at 101.54

 

It's just in our blood . . . always looking to mod . . that's why they call us gear-heads or hot rodders.

Besides, I had a V8 Muscle car that would rip my hands from the steering wheel, just about throw the passenger in the rear seat, you name it, but I still enjoy playing with my TLS . . .

13's or Bust!

Ruf

 

I'll let you know soon.

 

WELL SAID....

 

Yeah, i have headers also. So even though i haven't dynoed the car i should be at 270 or so.

 

Yup... was not aware that was pre-headers - thanks for the clarification!!

 

I think some of the lower 13sec times are very optimistic. I do think that somewhere along the way, mid 13's for you guys are clearly achievable. I'd be happy to get the sedan to 13.99 in all honesty...

 

what about a coupe

 

That's why I said "you guys"!

Besides, no offense typeR, but you also live here in h=ll. It's way too humid/hot/generally crummy in the long run. It was like 81 degrees with 96% humidity at 9am this morning. My car felt like I filled the gas tank full of jello compared to last weekend when it was 67 degrees and 58% humidity...

I love the sun and fun but I wish winter would come so I can finally at least take it to the track for something moderately respectable...

 

I would still think Modaddicts 240hp SC TLS would pull on on Mike's car because the power gained on the SCed car is throughout the powerband not just peak hp. I know you know this allmotor and are just playing devil's advocate.

 

i miss read you first response i thought you were saying we should be happy to get our sedans to 13.9 but you were speaking of your car...

 

But... being the :devil: during an 'acceleration' run, RPM's don't quite drop below 5K, so what does the power-band look in the 5K to redline region? Assume gearing and weight is the same - now it will really depend on who had what for lunch to make up for the 4hp difference

 

His headers are on the car now so it is in the 265 - 270 WHP range.

 

I wonder if I could hold 3rd gear thru the traps,...

 

I am sure you would hold 3rd; at least for the time being.

 

Yeah, yeah I know! Just like the turbo is back on titand19s car.

also depending on whether they go above 110 and hit 4th!

 

Modaddict/typeR: Do you guys ever use s/s anymore or is it pointless? I'd think mabe highway speeds for third would be okay, but from a stop???

 

When I was pushing 270 WHP I was taching out 3rd 20'-25' before the finish line. So if u are pushing less than that, then u have a better chance keepign 3rd before the end. If not then I would recomend another 20WHP to have 4th in a decent RPM band before the end.







Juker008

 

I use SS whenever I need to squeeze between two cars and don't want to rear end the car in front of me.








Juker008

 

SS almost all the time with the SC, love to punch it in 2nd and shift into 3rd with that whine

 

And how long is that, red? 2 seconds???
<I'm being facetious>

 

all of the times i've run 14.3 and below it's very close to redline in 3rd. when i ran in the 14.1's i was basically at the rev. limiter through the traps.

to run in the high 13's i think you would have to use 4th.

 

so did you bounce it off the limiter or let off the throtte a bit?

 

wtf

i doubt any auto cl-s can hold third, i still got plent of third left as i cross the traps, we trap at around 95-100ish, 3rd dont end till 110, unless your trapping at around 110 your ass is staying in 3rd gear

i dunno, is there sometin im missin, if u have more hp/trq do the gears end at a lower mph??

 

darrin, trap speed isn't the exact speed you are going when you cross the finish line.

it's the average speed of the last 66'. someone correct me if i'm wrong.

 

i think it might be the mph at like 1300 feet in

 

cuz i said so you post whore! Btw, i was trapping at 100mph and I was launching like your granny b/c of traction problems.

 

but if your traping at the very end of third that would put u at around 110 right, i dunno

modaddict/redrider

since u guys got the blower on what mph are u at in 3rd @ 7200 rpms

 

Trap speed is determined over the last 66 feet. The time to travel over that last 66 feet is used to determine the MPH since the distance is fixed. So it is almost an average speed.

However, you will not vary +/- 10 MPH over that last 66 feet. You may have a variance of 5 - 6 MPH at most which would put the terminal velocity at just over 100 MPH. That would put it close to redline.

Also, the tachs are not perfect either and may vary from car to car +/- 200 RPM or so.

 

so they trake your speed at 1254 feet and 1320 feet and average the mph??

 

very nice

 

No, they measure the time between the two points and calculate the speed. If you trapped at 98 MPH you would have taken 0.459 seconds to travel that 66 feet.

 

Yeah right... it takes a LOT to go 110mph, trust me!!

 

thanks for the specs steve

 

are you threatening me?