TL 2005 vs 2005 M5
08-14-2004, 10:20 PM
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TL 2005 vs 2005 M5
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
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If you can afford an M5 there is no doubt that it's a better car in every single way.
The TL isn't even close to being in the same class as the M5. The new M5 cost about two or three times as much as a TL.
The TL isn't even close to being in the same class as the M5. The new M5 cost about two or three times as much as a TL.
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Originally Posted by tvo7
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
The M5 sounds like a awesome piece of German Machinery. If I could afford it I would get it. I'm assuming if price was no consideration that a vast majority of 3rd gen. TL owners would get that M5. Besides, a "TL is a tl". An "M5 is an M5"
08-15-2004, 12:24 AM
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I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
Man, are you ok? I don't know how you could even compare the two vehicles.
08-15-2004, 12:58 AM
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What the hell?
Originally Posted by tvo7
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
Uh, yeah, I don't know why you even typed the same words together in a sentence?
WAAAAAYYYYYYY OFF in comparison.
Anyways, the E65 will kick the M5's ARSSSSSSS! Check it out...
http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...7&categoryId=1
08-15-2004, 01:31 AM
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How the hell can you compare a TL to an 05 M5.......
08-15-2004, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ali_enterprises
Dont like the M5, for that kind of money I would get a Porsche. But my next vehicle is going to be a brand new Ferrari 360 Modena in two years 
Originally Posted by Nickerz
Anyways, the E65 will kick the M5's ARSSSSSSS! Check it out...
In dreamland, a TL and M5 comparison isn't too far-fetched. Both are leaders in their respective classes and represent relatively positive cost-benefit. Sure, the price difference is huge, as is the power difference, but when it boils down to it, you're only paying for the power and prestige of the M5 over a TL. IMO, TL wins in styling (interior and exterior) and gadgetry, but the M5 will be a much better car overall. The question is, are you willing to spend a likely extra $50k for the difference.
08-15-2004, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tvo7
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
08-15-2004, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nickerz
Uh, yeah, I don't know why you even typed the same words together in a sentence?
WAAAAAYYYYYYY OFF in comparison.
Anyways, the E65 will kick the M5's ARSSSSSSS! Check it out...
http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...7&categoryId=1
WAAAAAYYYYYYY OFF in comparison.
Anyways, the E65 will kick the M5's ARSSSSSSS! Check it out...
http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...7&categoryId=1
The M5 will remain the sporting driver's choice in the uber sedan category, and will be faster around a road course, just like the E39 M5 vs. the current E55.
08-15-2004, 08:32 AM
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Here a loaded M5 is about $90k more than a TL I believe.
I shiver at the thought of how much time a v10 like the M5 would spend in the shop considering my cousin's lowly 325 is there about every 4 weeks for things like switches, lights, window motors failing, brake problems, noises, warning lights etc.
I shiver at the thought of how much time a v10 like the M5 would spend in the shop considering my cousin's lowly 325 is there about every 4 weeks for things like switches, lights, window motors failing, brake problems, noises, warning lights etc.
08-15-2004, 09:14 AM
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Amen. My wife has a '96 328i and if it is any indication of German automotive excellence.. well, I've learned a thing or two. They do some strange things and God forbid when you have to take it in for service. We spent over $4000 in service and fixups for her Bimmer in the past 2 years.
I had a friend who bought a 2000 M5, after waiting 16 months for it. He kept it for two months then got rid of it. Personal thing.. he didn't like it because it was too large for his needs. He liked the 3-series. Now this guy has a lot of money so that was no object. But for me, I would cringe everytime I took the car out for fear of a stone or pebble hitting the windshield or paint. I mean, that's a lot of money.
I would rather go for a Cadillac CTS-V or a Z06 Corvette and save close to $40K. Either one of those cars would give the M5 fits and for a few extra thousand in mods, they would eat the M5 for lunch. Even a $52K car would give me shivers taking it out on the public highways. Call me anal.
Amen. My wife has a '96 328i and if it is any indication of German automotive excellence.. well, I've learned a thing or two. They do some strange things and God forbid when you have to take it in for service. We spent over $4000 in service and fixups for her Bimmer in the past 2 years.
I had a friend who bought a 2000 M5, after waiting 16 months for it. He kept it for two months then got rid of it. Personal thing.. he didn't like it because it was too large for his needs. He liked the 3-series. Now this guy has a lot of money so that was no object. But for me, I would cringe everytime I took the car out for fear of a stone or pebble hitting the windshield or paint. I mean, that's a lot of money.
I would rather go for a Cadillac CTS-V or a Z06 Corvette and save close to $40K. Either one of those cars would give the M5 fits and for a few extra thousand in mods, they would eat the M5 for lunch. Even a $52K car would give me shivers taking it out on the public highways. Call me anal.
08-15-2004, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
How the hell can you compare a TL to an 05 M5.......
Please stay tuned for his next thread comparing the Porsche 911 Turbo and the Toyota Celica GTS.
08-15-2004, 09:29 AM
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If money were no object, I'd have a 545i. M5 is a bit too much - but once again, if I could afford it, there's no question the hand-built V10, superb interior and outstanding handling are light years beyond the TL.
However, as there are other things to consider in life (most prominant being that cars are money sink-pits), I love my TL and wouldn't have changed a thing.
However, as there are other things to consider in life (most prominant being that cars are money sink-pits), I love my TL and wouldn't have changed a thing.
08-15-2004, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tvo7
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
This is the most ridiculous comparison ever! You are literally on both sides of the spectrum in every category. Are you truly so car ignorant that you would post this, or are you just trying to get a rise out of people
08-15-2004, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tvo7
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
If the M5 is worth the price to you, then it is worth getting over the TL. If it is not, it is not.
There is no other answer.
08-15-2004, 11:15 AM
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I see no logic in this thread. What is an M5? Its a factory modded 5 series with a V10. Wouldn't a factory modded TL with a V10 be in the same class?
And like I mentioned in another thread. These new AMG's and M cars are going to get you in jail very quickly.
And like I mentioned in another thread. These new AMG's and M cars are going to get you in jail very quickly.
Originally Posted by lstepnio
If you can afford an M5 there is no doubt that it's a better car in every single way.
The TL isn't even close to being in the same class as the M5. The new M5 cost about two or three times as much as a TL.
The TL isn't even close to being in the same class as the M5. The new M5 cost about two or three times as much as a TL.
08-15-2004, 11:23 AM
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brahtw8 makes the most succinct observation here. One man's meat is another's potatos.
If someone deems his needs are served by spending the money for an M5, then so be it. And if someone wishes to compare a TL to an M5 in terms of taking a decision for a seriouos purchase, then it is probably obvious that money is not a concern. I was actually weighing a 2005 Ford Focus ZX4 ST against the TL before I bought and some on this very site turned quite arrogant about this comparison.. almost as though I was personally insulting them. One even inferred that I probably could not afford the TL. Hell, I could buy an M5 if I was of that mind, but I'm not.
What this means is that while there are certainly some cast-in-stone distinctions between an M5 and a TL, you just never know what drives someone to go with one or the other... assuming cost is not a consideration. We would do well to respect other people's choices, even when we might wish to question them or find them a little "curious".
Now for me, if I was of a mind to go for a more costly performance sedan, it would probably be the CTS-V over the M5. One bad-a-- piece of machinery. But just you watch. Someone might take me to task about that one because the CTS-V uses the small block pushrod Chevy V8, a design which has been around since 1955. All that proves is taht Chevrolet did it right the first time.
If someone deems his needs are served by spending the money for an M5, then so be it. And if someone wishes to compare a TL to an M5 in terms of taking a decision for a seriouos purchase, then it is probably obvious that money is not a concern. I was actually weighing a 2005 Ford Focus ZX4 ST against the TL before I bought and some on this very site turned quite arrogant about this comparison.. almost as though I was personally insulting them. One even inferred that I probably could not afford the TL. Hell, I could buy an M5 if I was of that mind, but I'm not.
What this means is that while there are certainly some cast-in-stone distinctions between an M5 and a TL, you just never know what drives someone to go with one or the other... assuming cost is not a consideration. We would do well to respect other people's choices, even when we might wish to question them or find them a little "curious".
Now for me, if I was of a mind to go for a more costly performance sedan, it would probably be the CTS-V over the M5. One bad-a-- piece of machinery. But just you watch. Someone might take me to task about that one because the CTS-V uses the small block pushrod Chevy V8, a design which has been around since 1955. All that proves is taht Chevrolet did it right the first time.
08-15-2004, 11:29 AM
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Here's one for you. A neighbor of mine who lives immediately next door to me is building a Factory Five 1966 Shelby A/C 427 Cobra replica. These cars use "donor" Mustangs from the mid to late 80's or early 90's for their engines and drive trains. He has a bored and stroked 302 (now 331 cubic inches) with AFR Heads 1.7 roller rockers, Comp Cam, nice after market intake and plenum, and the obligatory headers and side pipes. The engine was build to 400 HP for his 2200 pound car. One of his buddies who comes by from time to time has a similar setup with a supercharger and has been dynoed at 465 HP and 415 lb/ft torque in his Factory Five.
These cars would beat an M5 so badly in the quarter mile, it wouldn't even be funny. And they can be built for under $30,000!!
These cars would beat an M5 so badly in the quarter mile, it wouldn't even be funny. And they can be built for under $30,000!!
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Originally Posted by brahtw8
In a straight line, the blown MB will be faster.
The M5 will remain the sporting driver's choice in the uber sedan category, and will be faster around a road course, just like the E39 M5 vs. the current E55.
The M5 will remain the sporting driver's choice in the uber sedan category, and will be faster around a road course, just like the E39 M5 vs. the current E55.
Car & Driver confirmed that in the One Lap of America event. The E55 owned at the drag strip but the M5 owned EVERYWHERE else. Odds are, the upcoming E65 vs M5 V10 contest will yield the same results.
The M5 is what a sports sedan should be.
Madcat, Honda would probably drop a V10 into the TL but it'll keep its FWD layout.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by tvo7
I just an advertisement for the BMW M5 2005. Of course the engine has more horsepower but is the price worth getting over a 2005 TL?
08-15-2004, 04:51 PM
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As a former owner of a E39 M5, I gotta say that there is no comparison even with the E39 M5. But you can afford two TL's for the price of a M5. Of course, a used E39 wouldn't be too much more expensive...hmmm...
08-15-2004, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by alin2
Of course, a used E39 wouldn't be too much more expensive...hmmm...
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just be sure if you get the E46 that you check the production date of the S54 engine. Early 2001-2002 engines have a tendency to blow. BMW needed to replace several and extend the warranty.
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Originally Posted by MADCAT
I see no logic in this thread. What is an M5? Its a factory modded 5 series with a V10. Wouldn't a factory modded TL with a V10 be in the same class?
And like I mentioned in another thread. These new AMG's and M cars are going to get you in jail very quickly.
And like I mentioned in another thread. These new AMG's and M cars are going to get you in jail very quickly.
I recently traded in my modded '04 Subaru WRX STi for the TL and I can tell you it's not the car that puts you in jail.
08-15-2004, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alin2
just be sure if you get the E46 that you check the production date of the S54 engine. Early 2001-2002 engines have a tendency to blow. BMW needed to replace several and extend the warranty.
08-15-2004, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by brahtw8
I am aware of the failures. I am a card carrying member of the BMW CCA and avid follower of the marque.
08-15-2004, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lstepnio
I don't see your point? The 5-Series BMW could be considered in the same class as the TL but the M5 is so far off it' not even funny.
I recently traded in my modded '04 Subaru WRX STi for the TL and I can tell you it's not the car that puts you in jail.
I recently traded in my modded '04 Subaru WRX STi for the TL and I can tell you it's not the car that puts you in jail.
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Originally Posted by VQ35DE
Yup!!
Car & Driver confirmed that in the One Lap of America event. The E55 owned at the drag strip but the M5 owned EVERYWHERE else. Odds are, the upcoming E65 vs M5 V10 contest will yield the same results.
The M5 is what a sports sedan should be.
Madcat, Honda would probably drop a V10 into the TL but it'll keep its FWD layout.
Peace.
Car & Driver confirmed that in the One Lap of America event. The E55 owned at the drag strip but the M5 owned EVERYWHERE else. Odds are, the upcoming E65 vs M5 V10 contest will yield the same results.
The M5 is what a sports sedan should be.
Madcat, Honda would probably drop a V10 into the TL but it'll keep its FWD layout.
Peace.
I do see what you guys are saying about performance but then Audi always beats both BMW and MB cars when it comes to overall performance. However, 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs are more common on your drive to work or casual driving, etc. I just can't remember the last time I raced on a track. So I'd take an AMG any day with faster drag strip #'s as this is more common. Stopped at a red light and let her rip! Not, driving on a race track.
Nick
PS I'm taking delivery on a C55 AMG in September! Can't wait! So yeah, I'm a little partial to AMG of course but I really do like all 3 german car makers mentioned above.