It looks smaller on the photo. I think the screen is too far away from the driver.

I drive my mom's Prius sometimes, and the screen is too far. I have to reach out to touch the options -- in the meantime the car is running over 300 feet of roadway without me looking outside... it's a poor design.

 

They put the hard drive up front where the cd changer is in the non-nav. models. I agree it was a dumb move, my car doesn't have nav. When you get navigation you also get a 9.5G "music box" that you can load music onto, while that would interest me, the loss of trunk space and how little I would use navigation does not.

 

Is the hard drive flash? Otherwise it won't last long inside a car...

 

they've been using hard drives in cars for a long time.

Wasn't Acura's first gen. navi hard-disk based?


But anyway, there are several cars currently on the market with hard drives in them.

 

People still use CDs

Xm radio ftw.

 

Yeah but 258hp/233tq < 306hp/268tq

I'm all for praising Acura, but come on. Compare apples to apples.
Maybe compare the TypeS to the loaded G to make it a fair fight.

 

i have xm, but i still listen to cd's.

that would change, of course, if i had an ipod adaptor.

 

not to mention theres a dealer in cali selling new 07 Gs for $750 over invoice + $700 to ship it to your house if you want

 

For a sports car enthusiast I don't think that will ever be a fair fight. Not until the TLS is a RWD.

TL's come loaded...(traditionally) you get 5speed or Automatic with Nav or without Nav. They all come with the same 258hp motor which is pretty darn quick and the car handles great for a front wheel drive.

To comparably equip a 2007 G35 with Nav, automatic and all the stuff you get standard on the TL, you pay $38,000 or $39,000+. Dealers aren't ready to deal on these cars much...at least not yet.

So if I wanted to buy myself a G35 which I personally like a bit better over the TL (and yes I have driven the TL, the TLS, and the new G35), I would have to pay around 20% more than I what I had to for my new 2006 automatic with Nav.

Here is the thought process for me in what I was looking for in my choice of car.

1. If I strickly wanted the power, I would agree with you that the TLS is more comparable however, I would have easily made the decision then to purchase a G35 or even a BMW 335i because I would ABSOLUTELY demand to have a rear wheel drive car if speed, handling, and performance or what I am searching for. I haven't met too many sport car enthusiasts begging for the BMW's, Corvette or the 911 to be made into a front wheel drive.

2. Since I personally consider the 258 hp Acura plenty of power in a front wheel drive, and I appreciate the quality, features, styling, reliability, resale value, etc I thought it best to save my money and take the car that offers the best of everything for $32,000. Were I able to equip a 07 (not an 06) G35 for anywhere near the price of the TL, I would have taken it. So apples to apples I would buy the G35. Better yet, if I was willing to spend 20% more than I did for my TL, I very well may have spent 25% more and be rolling in a BMW 335.

It's all about personal choice. If you like the TLS, that's great. If you like the G35 or BMW or Lexus, also great for you. For me personally I feel as if I have a nice, fun car and for real fun I have my 2006 BMW GS1200 to satisfy both my need of onroad speed and a little offroad play. This baby is awesome, I consider it the Swiss Army knife of motorcycles. Can comfortably cruise for 500 miles in day, pack it up as much as a Gold Wing, outrun just about any bike (that isn't a Ninja), and you can keep going when the road ends.

 

I went to three dealers in my area with a VPP (employee Vehicle Purchase Plan)number in hand and they would only knock $500 off the 07. They offered to knock $6,000 off the 06...I was like "Great"

I would have considered waiting six months for them to give me that deal on an 07, but my company requires me to have a three year new car for my sales job. I had a 2003 Nissan Maxima and couldn't wait any longer. I bought the 06 TL on December 19th. Of course it is nice getting $750-$800 (tax free) a month for your car.

Guess I should have tried Cali.

 

iPod w/ line-in FTW.

 

Again, apples to oranges.

06 vs 07.

If my memory serves me, the only way to get navi in an 07 TL is to get the TypeS.

And the 07 TL starts at $33,625.

 

Word. I was all worried since my new car only have a one disc cd in dash, I was like whoa, what will I do? I don't think I've even had a CD in it. iPod in armrest, rf remote = good times.

 

And comparing a TLS front wheel drive to a rear wheel drive G35 is the same.

To your point about the Navi in the 07, I have no idea. I bought the 06 because basically they added turn signals in the mirrors and a rear camera to the 07. But I suppose your right having turn signals in mirrors totally throws out the point I was making.

 

Really? Thats retarded.

 

Sorry timed out on the edit thing.

Actually the post you are referring to I answered in the first line.

You said comparing a regular TL to a regular G35 wasn't "apples to apples." To this I responded "for a sports car enthusiast I don't think that will ever be a fair fight. Not until the TLS is a RWD. " So you were no more apples to apples than me. Nice spin on your part though.

Even more I didn't go on trying to compare the performance of my 06 to a TL. I said if I were buying a car like this for performance and was considering a TLS, G35, or BMW 335i that I would choose the G35 or BMW 335i because of the power, performance, value. So here I did not compare my 06 to a G35, I compared a TLS (as you wanted) to a G35.

I then underlined that I was listing why I personally decided to save my money and buy a less expensive, albeit very nice, TL. I don't contest your quote for base price on a 07 TL. Personally I didn't see spending $2,000 to $3,000 more for turn signals in the mirrors and a bumper camera. But hey I'm crazy like that. Also, working in sales and putting a blistering amount of miles on a car each year, it is VERY advantageous for me to start off 2007 with a zero mile 2006 automobile. Because it will give me more time before I am "high mileaged." I prefaced most all of this by saying and underlying why I made my own personal decision and what I wanted to do with the money my company gives me for a car.

If you want to truly do a apples to apples comparison to the TL, you might look to the Lexus ES series. They are more similar designed and marketed cars. The BMW, G35, and Mercedes are in a different class (and I am not referring to quality here). At this point in time there is only so much you can do with a FWD.

 

It's not true. I just checked the web site and you can get a base TL with navi for $36k. Navi is standard on the Type S.




2007 TL 5-Speed Automatic Starts at $33,625

2007 TL 5-Speed Automatic with Navigation System Starts at $36,125

2007 TL Type-S 5-Speed Automatic Starts at $38,125

2007 TL Type-S 6-Speed Manual Starts at $38,125

2007 TL Type-S 5-Speed Automatic with High-Performance Tires Starts at $38,325

2007 TL Type-S 6-Speed Manual with High-Performance Tires Starts at $38,325

 

Its just as dumb with the G's options

If you want the Tech Package you need the Nav. Package

If you want the Nav Package you need the Premium Package

If you want the Premium Package you need the Journey, X or Sport model

So if you want tech you have to get it all... you also can't get Rosewood trim on the sport models, not that its a HUGE problem but a few have expressed they would have liked to get it and couldn't.

 

I thought I read that wrong.

 

This whole discussion started because YOU compared the TL to the G35. Might want to get your fact straight.

And honestly, the whole RWD issue is really much ado about nothing. If you truly were looking for a sports sedan, the TL wouldn't even be in the mix.

 

Just to clear one thing up, the 07 G Sedan does not use a hood prop rod. My 07 has dual gas struts.....just like in the pic below.

 

Too much orange in the gauges? There isn't any orange whatsoever. The gauge cluster is white/violet/red. The information cluster in the center and the needles look a little orange in this picture, but they are actually red.

 

Yep, no plastic on the door panel where your elbow rests at all. It's leather.

 

This is really weird. My friend just got a new G35x and it has hood shocks/struts (whatever they are called) to hold the hood up. No prop rod on his model like my Z or the G35c. I wonder if the G35x model is different than yours?

BTW, the "orange" info cluster is meant to emulate the Audi info cluster. My friend went from a A6 to the G35 and it is almost exactly the same between models, except the G does not display the radio station.

Also, someone earlier in the thread mentioned the G's navigation system. It is both touch screen and button controlled

 

Actually, all models of the new Sedan have the gas struts. If Tireguy has a prop rod, he's got one very rare 07 Sedan.

 

I figured because that was the first thing I noticed when he opened his hood on his 07 G. My Z and my other friend's G35c have the annoying prop bar and I was happy Infiniti finally went with gas struts.

 

Yay!

 

I am glad Infiniti went with it as well. I had an 03 G Sedan and it had the prop rod.

 

Keep on spinning trying to get yourself out of it. I compared pricing for the value and equipment, not performance with which to make my decision. I know I certainly wasn't comparing my TL to a 07 G35 with regards to performance cause it ain't close...but in my opinion neither is the TLS that YOU injected with your wild assumptions. Remember I purchased my car for a sales work car. Something I didn't mention is I have rules to follow to receive my payments. It must be a 4-door car and have an original value over $24,000. It can't be a minivan, a 2 door, or a truck. So I am in the market for a moderately sporty 4-door with lots of nice features...that is the only reason I compare the TL to the G35.

In other words if PRICE WERE NOT AN OBJECT (you know paying 20% to get a similarly EQUIPPED car out of the G35) I would then purchase the G35 OVER the TL. Make sure you read that again....IF both cars were similarly priced with similar equipment I would choose the G35. However, I obviously would not spend the additional 20% to similarly equip a G35. But IF I was personally looking for a true sports sedan then I would have opted to pay more for either a G35 or a BMW 335, but certainly NOT a TLS.

I actually glad you are showing some reason with your last statement as I have felt that way all along. Your right the TLS would not be in the mix. That being said why did you introduce it as such?

 

That was one of the small (and I mean very small) turnoffs I had about the 1G G35: prop rod. I found this particularly peculiar seeing as the 02-03 Maxima and Infiniti I35 came standard with hood struts.

That said, that should be a fairly insignificant consideration.

 

I've only opened the hood twice and I could have swore it had a prop rod, but its been over a month and I guess I was mistaken

for me

 

Well then I don't like the shit red orange-ish color in the middle. It looks out of place, and I can't stand that color (whatever it is - still looks orange to me). No need to nitpick on the color, I just don't like it.

 

Gauge cluster in the 07 G35 looks quite nice and works very well with the rest of the console.

 

I'm not saying you have to like it, but it emulates Audi interiors that have blue gauges and the orange info center. Here is a picture of the new A4 as an example:

 

^^ Well I don't like that, either. But it's my OPINION, not anyone else's. Other people can like it if they want, but I'm not feelin' it.

 

If performance had nothing to do with it, you'd be drving a Hyundai Azera, so don't say performance doesn't come into play

And my dad was actually looking at a 2006 G35 and a TL a little while back for a company vehicle and he got better deals (for a lease) on the G35 than he did on the TL, so don't base everything on MSRP.

 

I thought that the G35 pedals were aluminum unless that is an option??

 

The aluminum pedals come standard on the Sport model.

 

I didn't say performance didn't have anything to do with my decision to buy a TL. So sorry you got that impression, but I will have to re-read my posts because I think I said I was not comparing the performance of a G35 to a TL. Because there is no comparison (Performance wise) in my book.

As far as power/performance goes they both easily met my needs. So yes I was absolutely looking for a certain "style" of car. Other cars that basically met my wants/needs were the Nissan Maxima, the V-6 Toyota Camry, the Toyota Avalon, the BMW 335, the Lexus IS350, the Infiniti G35. I said that for me I felt I could get more value with a TL. (This includes what I find visually appealing)

I also already said that with a VPP number in hand (for Nissan employee discount) three dealerships would only offer me $500 off of MSRP for the 07 G35 (when I was shopping for one in December). I also already said that they offered me $6,000 off of a new 2006 Infiniti G35...which is a good deal except I don't like it. So I already knew and wasn't surprised at the deal your father got. I just don't like the 06 G, which I have already said twice in this thread.

 

Hooksta of course even with a discount Infiniti dealers would only give you $500 off because it's a new 2nd gen model so they really don't want to discount them yet that much or else it looks bad.

Whereas on the base TL since its on its 4th model year it's easier to discount and negotiate a good deal I assume. Not sure about the TL-S though.