Is there still a wide margin in terms of reliability between BMW and Japanese cars?
11-03-2010, 07:37 PM
#121
Suzuka Master
I have to disagree....The IF and the GS are beautifully crafted sedans (the LS appearance is a bit dull but the finishing is a work of art)....the GS offers a level of comfort unmatched by any other competitors....The LS ride is nothing short of stellar (the quietness is unreal), probably you need to get into serious hyer luxury sedans to have something that compares
The suspension setup IS relevant...BMW recently decided, finally, to convert to double wishbone front suspension...the McPherson struts is inherently less precise....granted I drove many BMW and many premium Japanese and, for example, between the G37 and the 335 I was unable to notice any shortcomings in the BMW front suspension however I was not able to detect any supposed Bimmer superiority or feel either.......I think that is pure disillusion and media brainwashing....let's call it fantasy...
The suspension setup IS relevant...BMW recently decided, finally, to convert to double wishbone front suspension...the McPherson struts is inherently less precise....granted I drove many BMW and many premium Japanese and, for example, between the G37 and the 335 I was unable to notice any shortcomings in the BMW front suspension however I was not able to detect any supposed Bimmer superiority or feel either.......I think that is pure disillusion and media brainwashing....let's call it fantasy...
Some people always brings up the 3 series and just how bmw pays everyone to say its good. Why can't people agree that it is just that good. I've never driven a G class so I cannot directly compare, but from what I've read, the G is pretty close in the driving dynamics of the 3 series. Closer than other manufacturers get to the 3 at least.
11-03-2010, 08:23 PM
#122
My first Avatar....
I will agree with you on the lexus part that they offer the most comfort in the business, same with toyota. They ride a lot smoother than their competitors. But to the younger people, thats just viewed as boring.
Some people always brings up the 3 series and just how bmw pays everyone to say its good. Why can't people agree that it is just that good. I've never driven a G class so I cannot directly compare, but from what I've read, the G is pretty close in the driving dynamics of the 3 series. Closer than other manufacturers get to the 3 at least.
Some people always brings up the 3 series and just how bmw pays everyone to say its good. Why can't people agree that it is just that good. I've never driven a G class so I cannot directly compare, but from what I've read, the G is pretty close in the driving dynamics of the 3 series. Closer than other manufacturers get to the 3 at least.
Originally Posted by saturno_v
The suspension setup IS relevant...BMW recently decided, finally, to convert to double wishbone front suspension...the McPherson struts is inherently less precise....granted I drove many BMW and many premium Japanese and, for example, between the G37 and the 335 I was unable to notice any shortcomings in the BMW front suspension however I was not able to detect any supposed Bimmer superiority or feel either.......I think that is pure disillusion and media brainwashing....let's call it fantasy...
It might matter on a psychological level, or in theory. But in practice, the only thing that matters is the end result. Right?I've never driven a G37, I'd like to, and plan on testing one when new car time comes. Maybe they drive very similarly to a 335. If so, that's great! A great driving car with the HOPE of Japanese reliability = win!
IMO. there is no delusion or fantasy about the way my old 325i drove. I still think of it when I drive new cars today.
11-03-2010, 08:24 PM
#123
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11-04-2010, 12:22 PM
#124
Our Audi's easily surpassed our Acura's in term of reliability. And the dealer/service experience in Audi is first class all the way. Acura, not so much.Overall though its hard to generalize. I guess it really depends on how loose people are with their money. I know people who are very wealthy but live in a modest house and drive modest cars. Others who have big houses and modest cars, and others with big houses and luxury cars only.
So each person will have their own ideas based on their own experiences and priorities. Bottom line is opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And b/c of that, people will have to agree to disagree...
11-04-2010, 01:37 PM
#125
The Dumb One
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im not going to rant on about all the stuff they have done for me as it wouldnt mean much to people who havent had the same experience...
that is my point though... it is a dealer to dealer experience that is subjective...
maybe its luck of the draw.. but my acura dealer provides a wonderful experience everytime i go.. if they every provide a desirable car in the future, ill be one of the first in line to pick one up.
11-04-2010, 02:20 PM
#126
My sister in law in 3 years ownership of an A4 has already got to know very well her dealer service department (among various things the entire valvetrain replaced under warranty....in almost 8 years of ownership I did not even replaced the brake in my Maxima...I had zero issues, zilch, nada)...and as a loaner she got sometimes WV Golfs and Jettas, my Acura dealer tries to match your loaner with the car you are already own or higher (in few words, as a TL owner I can expect to receive a TL as a loaner and not a TSX), I guess they can do that because they do not expect to have much "traffic".....not that I expect to vist my Acura dealer that often thank God...
As I said, many people we know are in a high end German car and won't even look at a Asian brand.......
However, Audi has not the same cachet of BMW or, even better, Mercedes among the top income buyer and that is not debatable....the same as Porsche has not the same cachet of Ferrari....real luxury cars do not have "payment estimate calculator" function on their web pages....
Last edited by saturno_v; 11-04-2010 at 02:27 PM.
11-04-2010, 04:56 PM
#128
It definitely varies dealer to dealer. While the Audi dealer here in Charlotte makes you feel like a first class VIP, the one where we lived in NY was pretty average. Service was good, but the environment was just standard dealer.The Acura dealer here in CLT as well as in NY (well, NJ... I used to drive to Park Ave Acura for service) had GREAT service and treated me incredibly... however, neither has that first class feeling. Maybe they just need a remodel
11-04-2010, 06:14 PM
#129
The sizzle in the Steak
My last two vehicles have been German, and they have been more reliable and of better quality than the last Acura vehicle I owned, and the current Honda I own.
11-04-2010, 07:05 PM
#130
Suzuka Master
Good to here that your GTI is reliable. Thats what I'm wishing to have as my next car, assuming I can afford that price.
11-04-2010, 07:15 PM
#131
11-05-2010, 11:32 AM
#132
AZ Community Team
Tell that to Peter Sauber
Remember back in June when he said this about his Ferrari engines?
http://en.espnf1.com/sauber/motorsport/story/20547.html
Remember back in June when he said this about his Ferrari engines?
http://en.espnf1.com/sauber/motorsport/story/20547.html
"The Spaniard seemed to indicate that Sauber's ongoing engine problems could be related to the C29 car.
"It is surprising that [Ferrari powered] Toro Rosso have never had a problem," said Gene"
Since Ferrari and Toro Rosso are not having problems after the Ferrari engine fix perhaps the fitment to the RB car is a problem. Brawn had similar problems at the start of last season with their MB engines, the cooling and chassis has been previously designed for a Honda powerplant. There were problems that required a redesign of some of those systems.
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