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If a Ford Edge is gonna struggle on some logging roads, so will a Cayenne and half the suggestions in this thread. I think the sport and luxury requirements are gonna suffer a bit.
The Cayenne/Edge are different leagues when it comes to off roading. Air Suspension & a center locking rear diff would say otherwise.. ..You'd be surprised at what they're capable of, a quick Google search will show them putting in some work off road. Out of the norm for a Cayenne to be mucked up? Absolutely but these guys are having a lot of fun doing it.
Sounds about as easy as getting my wife to drive a wagon.
Not too bad, my C300 is $148/mo with a clean record.
I tried to massage the idea of an AWD CTS wagon but she's also not about that life..
$120/month surprised me as well but I'm not complaining. The main reason I made the move to the V was that insurance was $125/month which also came as a surprise. Old reliable RL keeps the streak alive at $110/month
Record is clean & it's combo'd with house insurance which helps I guess..
Okay, I know you said no to the Yukon/Tahoe but try to convince her, man...
especially a bit newer one with the good fuel economy...they are tanks...they go forever, they drive
over anything. They are cool looking and murica.
Plus, cheap parts, cheap to raise or lower a million wheels to choose from and you can make it fast
for cheap too!
When we went to antelope canyon and saw all those old gen suburban working tirelessly hauling tourists
in the blazing sun and desert all day...I was like wow, those things fuck. So far my experience is that they fuck
also .
What years?
There are some years I don't like...like the 2007.
What about the fact that you'd be able to share lugnuts with your V?
You could claim to be a GM household.
I can't believe I'm having to walk you through this.
It would probably be a 2010ish. Our provincial Police (OPP) roam the highways in blacked out Tahoes which look badass & intimidating to say the least..
Indeed they are. We have had a 2003 Tahoe in the family since new. Currently has 223k miles on it and going strong. Looks a bit rough but runs great. 2008 Suburban with 160k miles on it doing well too and still looking great. Can't go wrong with them.
Mine is a 2004 that lived almost it's entire life through Maryland winters...although looks like they cared for it and prepped it for winter.
little bullshit here and there but everything is cheap parts and easy to get to. Hardest thing I've had to do was replace a leaking wiper fluid res this weekend.
Threw some 15 denali twankies on it and bam...
fuel economy isn't great BUT because you can do regular gas the cost per mile was actually cheaper than the Caddy...Caddy was like $55 for 200 miles...Yukon is $80 for 350 to 400 miles.
With the Turbo S, a lot of manufacturers claim to sell compatible parts but from what I've read they're not the right size. Cheapest I've seen is $1900 for front pads/rotors without shipping. Only plus is that they supposedly last a long time.
As for the Explorer/Edge options, the sports are really nice but I don't think they're capable on roads that aren't maintained. We were out in BC earlier this year & my sister's BF has an 08'ish Edge which he used to show us around. He tried to take us down an old logging road to do some exploring and the Edge just didn't have it. It got through most of the road but when it came to a noticeably steep/uneven incline, it wasn't up to the task. With that said, it's not set up for that kind of situation with generic all seasons but they're just not built for it.
My mom also moved out there last year and had a AWD Chevy Equinox & within a month she was in a GMC Sierra
More than anything, it's gotta be capable & we want to do some legit exploring once we're out there, which is the beauty of BC. Not like I'm trying to climb rocks & go hardcore off road but piece of mind goes a long way.
I looked on Tire Rack (reputable) for an 08 Turbo (not S) in the US so I'm assuming they are correct but who knows. I can't imagine it's that hard to manufacture an aftermarket rotor to fit properly given it's basically a circle with some holes drilled in it.
I don't think the 08 Edge had a Sport model to begin with and they weren't that great in general. Are you sure it was even an AWD one? That said, most of off roading is all about tires and ground contact than locking diffs and air suspension. I bet a Wrangler Sport with crank windows and open diffs would eat a Cayenne for lunch off road just because of the tires and solid axles F/R. To be honest, even a Cayenne isn't really built for those situations even though it CAN do it. The underside doesn't have skid plates as standard (they were an option that I'm guessing the vast majority don't have) so one good hit to the oil pan will be an expensive proposition.
Long story short, you can off road anything. The question is how much are you willing to accept in terms of damage.
Originally Posted by teh CL
The Cayenne/Edge are different leagues when it comes to off roading. Air Suspension & a center locking rear diff would say otherwise.. ..You'd be surprised at what they're capable of, a quick Google search will show them putting in some work off road. Out of the norm for a Cayenne to be mucked up? Absolutely but these guys are having a lot of fun doing it.
Spoke with my insurance company earlier today to pull coverage off the TL & inquired about the GTS. Full coverage for $120/month. +1 for the Cayenne..
Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Sounds about as easy as getting my wife to drive a wagon.
Not too bad, my C300 is $148/mo with a clean record.
Originally Posted by teh CL
I tried to massage the idea of an AWD CTS wagon but she's also not about that life..
$120/month surprised me as well but I'm not complaining. The main reason I made the move to the V was that insurance was $125/month which also came as a surprise. Old reliable RL keeps the streak alive at $110/month
Record is clean & it's combo'd with house insurance which helps I guess..
My Golf is $350 for 6 months. S2000 is even less than that.
Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
Indeed they are. We have had a 2003 Tahoe in the family since new. Currently has 223k miles on it and going strong. Looks a bit rough but runs great. 2008 Suburban with 160k miles on it doing well too and still looking great. Can't go wrong with them.
You can always judge how well cars will last based on how many of them you still see on the roads. Tahoe/Suburban/Yukons from that era are still EVERYWHERE and going strong. I'd have zero hesitation to get another one (and might still do it, don't tell the wife) with higher miles. Another one is the Outback, you see TONS of old ass Outbacks on the road.
Cayenne GTS with the v8 are awesome. Would definitely be a fun ride. Not exactly the tanks the Tahoe is though.
The Tahoe is without a doubt a tank & a full sized one at that lol, pretty much a truck with 3 row seating..
There's no doubt aside from the size that it would be the most economical choice in the long run. With that said, even though it's gonna be her daily I'm still gonna have plenty of seat time in whatever we choose & like you said, the Cayenne would be an absolute blast to rip around in. It's a 5k+ lb SUV that can carve some twisties, tow 7k lbs, clear some sketchy logging roads & still cleans up nice for a night out. It's literally a Swiss army knife lol.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I looked on Tire Rack (reputable) for an 08 Turbo (not S) in the US so I'm assuming they are correct but who knows. I can't imagine it's that hard to manufacture an aftermarket rotor to fit properly given it's basically a circle with some holes drilled in it.
I don't think the 08 Edge had a Sport model to begin with and they weren't that great in general. Are you sure it was even an AWD one? That said, most of off roading is all about tires and ground contact than locking diffs and air suspension. I bet a Wrangler Sport with crank windows and open diffs would eat a Cayenne for lunch off road just because of the tires and solid axles F/R. To be honest, even a Cayenne isn't really built for those situations even though it CAN do it. The underside doesn't have skid plates as standard (they were an option that I'm guessing the vast majority don't have) so one good hit to the oil pan will be an expensive proposition.
Long story short, you can off road anything. The question is how much are you willing to accept in terms of damage.
My Golf is $350 for 6 months. S2000 is even less than that.
You can always judge how well cars will last based on how many of them you still see on the roads. Tahoe/Suburban/Yukons from that era are still EVERYWHERE and going strong. I'd have zero hesitation to get another one (and might still do it, don't tell the wife) with higher miles. Another one is the Outback, you see TONS of old ass Outbacks on the road.
The thing with the aftermarket rotors that are available for the Turbo has to do with the rotor thickness. You'd think someone would come out with a solution but..
His Edge was AWD but not a Sport which is the newer model but it just slid sideways on the incline, got sketch fast and wasn't worth pushing it. I'm not trying to glorify the Cayenne as the ultimate off road vehicle & I'm not trying to go hardcore off roading where I'd potentially wack an oil pan but I believe the Cayenne would hold its own. I ran the Cayenne idea by buddy with the Edge & he's more riled up than I am
and I'll be honest, I've had fast cars...still do...and nimble...
there's something really rewarding about the 5.3 torque and steering
on the damn thing. Like, I actually LIKE driving it.
I drove a GMT800 Suburban once in high school and those were the things I enjoyed the most - torque and steering, weirdly. They're big but not as intimidating as a pickup truck.
LOL...
we are cut from the same cloth...
and believe it or not, I'm at 193K and the pitman and idler arms could stand to be replaced and I STILL like jumping in it...
crank the AC...and enjoy being in my rolling living room knowing I can fit anything in it and all the kids.
We're officially settled into living on the West coast & the SUV hunt has started picking up steam again.
For the longest time I was set on a 957 Cayenne V8 & recently I ALMOST pulled the trigger on a 957 Cayenne Turbo S which was perfect. I'm not sure what stopped me from going through with it but I think it came down to the thought of 2 gas guzzling V8's in the stable that really put me off (Read: CTS-V ). I have a pretty open mind & looked into a lot of options which gets to be overwhelming to say the least. My biggest thing is that I want something capable for some logging roads while still having refinement, luxury, decent mileage & of course...power
As ridiculous as it sounds to "want it all", I think I may have found exactly what I'm looking for. Enter the Q7 TDI...
This specific one is obviously not stock but it's just a taste of the potential these things have. This one is pre 2010 & I'm specifically looking for a 10+ with the updated features. Now, this would obviously be my first diesel & even more terrifying, my first euro..
These things from what I've read are pretty stout & dare I say "reliable" for what they are. I've spent the last little while going hard into research (as usual) & the notorious "Diesel gate" fiasco. Aside from that drama, the Q7 is really hard to look past & with the market being flooded with them, they fit the bill perfectly. I have one narrowed down currently & am planning to check it out later this week, here's what I'm working with..
2010 Q7 TDI Prestige S-Line 6AT
- Air suspension
- B/O audio
- Tow package
- Pano
- 112k (70k miles)
- Emissions "fix" has been done
- Asking 20k (15k USD)
With the emissions "fix" being done this past October, it has an extended warranty for the next 4 years/40k which is a huge plus in my books since it covers the ENTIRE long block. Of course, there are other gremlins that may arrise with a euro but being a DIYer, it's just like any other car IMO. The thing that pushed me over the edge was that our new landlords have one & get around 1300km (800 miles) per tank all highway which is just ridiculous. They also have a 2010 which has over 120k miles & can't speak more highly of it.
With all that said, I'm curious what the AZ family thinks as im always open to some good conversation..
Finally got around to checking out this Q7 & was also able to test drive 4 in total which was great. Test drove a 2010, 2 11's & a 12'.
The 2010 drove fantastic with the 6spd, pulled strong & overall felt great. Air suspension was a nice touch & the difference between modes was quite noticeable. Had some cosmetic flaws/wear and tear that would need to be addressed which isn't unheard of for a 10 year old car. Only downfall was the B/O audio, seemed like only the tweeters were on and the speakers either had no power going to them or something else. They mentioned they would look into it.
The 2011's with the 8spd didn't do much for me. One felt completely neutered & a joke to drive but the 2nd one drove much better. Overall, the 8spd left much to be desired compared to the 6spd. The 6spd drove exactly how I expected/wanted a Q7 to drive.
Finally, I drove the 12' which the sales guy recommended for the bump in power & the 8spd still left me wanting more. The bump in power was marginal at best & made my decision clear that I'm sticking with the 6spd auto.
With all that said, all cars had the "fix" with the extended warranty for the next 4 years which is key for me.
The 2010 Prestige w/air suspension stole the show but the issue with the B/O audio has me hesitant to move forward with it. Anyone have any insights for what the issue could be? From some research, it could be as simple as resetting the MMI system or as bad as replacing the amp ($$). Either way they'd have that taken care of if I decide to pull the trigger.
It's been a few days since I had some 1 on 1 time with these Q7's & the hype has faded a bit but I still can't shake that 2010 out if my head. Decisions...
I couldn't tell you but I will say if a certain focal point is selected in the B&O it does sound like it's JUST coming from the windshield...
fuck with it.
For a vehicle that size, I'd much rather more gears for long road trips.
I can see the appeal though, of the 6AT in the city & light hwy duty; but, fuel consumption must be a bitch.
I drove 3 Q's with the 8spd vs 1 with the 6spd all within an hour. Didn't get to the highway but got each of them up to a decent speed & the 8spd just didn't do it for me compared to the 6spd. The 6spd accelerated smoother, shifted nicer & overall just felt perfect for the Q.
With that said, each of them had the emissions "fix" & all had around 60-80k miles. I wouldn't doubt that the "fix" neutered the 8spd more than the 6spd but it definitely felt noticeable for me. From some research, the 8spd can be flashed alot easier to dial in the shifting characteristics compared to the older 6spd.
Gas vs diesel more than likely plays a role in the drivability as well & I haven't driven a gas model yet.
As for MPG, my landlord has a 10' 6spd & they mentioned that the Q can go from here to Calgary & back on one tank (13-1400km/800+ miles) which is just ridiculous. I'm sure the 8spd is much the same if not better.
06-12-2019, 10:17 AM
I think the sport and luxury requirements are gonna suffer a bit.
..You'd be surprised at what they're capable of, a quick Google search will show them putting in some work off road. Out of the norm for a Cayenne to be mucked up? Absolutely but these guys are having a lot of fun doing it.
Was the LR Defender sold in CA? Or was it black-balled from all NAm?
