S2K & Miata
05-31-2011, 04:28 PM
#81
Safety Car
the black one is gorgeous!! black with leather and hardtop looks like a much higher end car than any other configuration. but methinks 28k could be lowered, seeing as how a new one off the lot could be slashed a few grand.
05-31-2011, 04:30 PM
#82
Team Owner
i would have to downshift to 5th 60mph in my s2000 to get the similar acceleration as my G37 in 6th at 60mph but the G37 has almost double the torque than Miata and at a lower RPM
05-31-2011, 04:48 PM
#83
Team Owner
121 for US softtop
124 for US hardtop
130 for EU softtop
134 for EU Hardtop
For example:
Performance times are slightly affected with the weight increase, to 9.6 s (1.8 L (110 cu in)) and 8.2 s (2.0 L (120 cu in)) from 0-100 km/h (62 mph), but top speed is increased from 196 km/h (121.8 mph) to 200 km/h (124.3 mph) (1.8 L (110 cu in)) and from 210 km/h (130 mph) to 215 km/h (134 mph) (2.0 L (120 cu in)), for the European-spec model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5
05-31-2011, 04:53 PM
#84
Team Owner
What do you think about this??
The internet sales rep wants me to give them the offer... what should I give them?
http://www.hondaelcerrito.com/detail...d-7160233.html
AND this one
http://www.johnhine.com/vehicle/cert...Miata_MX_5.htm
The internet sales rep wants me to give them the offer... what should I give them?
http://www.hondaelcerrito.com/detail...d-7160233.html
AND this one
http://www.johnhine.com/vehicle/cert...Miata_MX_5.htm
05-31-2011, 04:55 PM
#85
I drive a Subata.
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And yeah.. I think 28k is way too high for it. I really don't know what would be the good deal on this car with this mileage.
05-31-2011, 06:41 PM
#86
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Saying goodbye to the 2.3 turbo already? Damn. At least you're considering moving to another Mazda. I seem to feel this strong Mazda community bond now that I own one lol.
FWIW, I'd list the MS3 on one of the mazdaspeed forums. Talking from experience, I went WAY out of my way to find the right car, so the same could be said for yours. If you find the right buyer willing to make arrangements it migth be worth spending the time writing up an ad. Then again you're in SoCal so I can't imagine it'd take you long to find a buyer.
FWIW, I'd list the MS3 on one of the mazdaspeed forums. Talking from experience, I went WAY out of my way to find the right car, so the same could be said for yours. If you find the right buyer willing to make arrangements it migth be worth spending the time writing up an ad. Then again you're in SoCal so I can't imagine it'd take you long to find a buyer.
05-31-2011, 10:08 PM
#88
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
um.. i am confused. i have read it on serveral sites that all says it s limited at 12x.
121 for US softtop
124 for US hardtop
130 for EU softtop
134 for EU Hardtop
For example:
Performance times are slightly affected with the weight increase, to 9.6 s (1.8 L (110 cu in)) and 8.2 s (2.0 L (120 cu in)) from 0-100 km/h (62 mph), but top speed is increased from 196 km/h (121.8 mph) to 200 km/h (124.3 mph) (1.8 L (110 cu in)) and from 210 km/h (130 mph) to 215 km/h (134 mph) (2.0 L (120 cu in)), for the European-spec model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5
121 for US softtop
124 for US hardtop
130 for EU softtop
134 for EU Hardtop
For example:
Performance times are slightly affected with the weight increase, to 9.6 s (1.8 L (110 cu in)) and 8.2 s (2.0 L (120 cu in)) from 0-100 km/h (62 mph), but top speed is increased from 196 km/h (121.8 mph) to 200 km/h (124.3 mph) (1.8 L (110 cu in)) and from 210 km/h (130 mph) to 215 km/h (134 mph) (2.0 L (120 cu in)), for the European-spec model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5
Want a video? I'll do it tomorrow.
05-31-2011, 10:16 PM
#89
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
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210kph ~ 130.
Heres a thread on the other forum...all NCs, several over 130.
210kph ~ 130.
Heres a thread on the other forum...all NCs, several over 130.
06-01-2011, 12:47 AM
#90
Why was top speed even brought up in this conversation 
I don't think the Miata or S2000's forte is record setting salt flat runs. Not sure anyone cares either.
A somewhat important factor is theft. I don't think people steal Miata seats, at least not that I know of. On the other hand, I don't feel safe with parking an S2000 outside, which is part of the reason why I don't have one.
I don't think the Miata or S2000's forte is record setting salt flat runs. Not sure anyone cares either.
A somewhat important factor is theft. I don't think people steal Miata seats, at least not that I know of. On the other hand, I don't feel safe with parking an S2000 outside, which is part of the reason why I don't have one.
06-01-2011, 07:30 AM
#91
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
Why was top speed even brought up in this conversation
I don't think the Miata or S2000's forte is record setting salt flat runs. Not sure anyone cares either.
A somewhat important factor is theft. I don't think people steal Miata seats, at least not that I know of. On the other hand, I don't feel safe with parking an S2000 outside, which is part of the reason why I don't have one.
I don't think the Miata or S2000's forte is record setting salt flat runs. Not sure anyone cares either.
A somewhat important factor is theft. I don't think people steal Miata seats, at least not that I know of. On the other hand, I don't feel safe with parking an S2000 outside, which is part of the reason why I don't have one.
Brings me to my next point...the S2K is MUCH more performance oriented as far as the seats go. The Miata has always been really lacking in that dept. I think the folks at Mazda were trying to cater to a much broader demographic than that of an S2K. I would love to one day see a more "hardcore" Miata from Mazda.
06-01-2011, 07:39 AM
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I dunno...someone thought it had a speed limiter. How common is S2K seat theft?
Brings me to my next point...the S2K is MUCH more performance oriented as far as the seats go. The Miata has always been really lacking in that dept. I think the folks at Mazda were trying to cater to a much broader demographic than that of an S2K. I would love to one day see a more "hardcore" Miata from Mazda.
Brings me to my next point...the S2K is MUCH more performance oriented as far as the seats go. The Miata has always been really lacking in that dept. I think the folks at Mazda were trying to cater to a much broader demographic than that of an S2K. I would love to one day see a more "hardcore" Miata from Mazda.
As for the seats being more performance oriented, I agree 100%. Getting into my S2k, my frame (200/5'10) was a tight fit into the seat. The thigh bolsters are so aggressive, my cheeks would be sitting on the bolsters, not in the seat. I would have to wiggle my bottom to get more comfortably in the seat. The Miata definitly had a more forgiving seat. I had both ('99 Miata/'06 S2K), granted the Miata was the older body, it was still a lot of fun to drive. If I had a complaint about it, it would be lack of power. Clutch/shifter is very easy and precise. BUT The S2k is definitely the better (if not best shifter out there) of the two. I don't have time to do a detailed comparison, but to sum it up, IMO, whatever the Miata does well, the S2k does better. The Miata was fun to drive, the S2k was intoxicating to drive (especially at full boil).
Now that Lotus Elise shifter? It reminds me of the Scion xB I had. Sh!t.
'nuff said.
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06-01-2011, 08:28 AM
#93
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
I agree 100%.
Stock for stock its a no brainer. S2K all the way. It takes a modified MX5 to match the performance of an S2K, but it can be easily done. That being said, when comparing the NC to an S2K, the differences are marginal. It starts getting to be where you are comparing apples to apples.
...and I dont know WTF they were thinking on the Elise shifters. I'll never forget doing a drive down in Austin with a few of them and one guys shifter broke completely off. He was driving down the road doing 60 with the entire linkage in his hand raised out the roof.
Stock for stock its a no brainer. S2K all the way. It takes a modified MX5 to match the performance of an S2K, but it can be easily done. That being said, when comparing the NC to an S2K, the differences are marginal. It starts getting to be where you are comparing apples to apples.
...and I dont know WTF they were thinking on the Elise shifters. I'll never forget doing a drive down in Austin with a few of them and one guys shifter broke completely off. He was driving down the road doing 60 with the entire linkage in his hand raised out the roof.
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06-01-2011, 09:12 AM
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^My Miata was modified with wheels/suspension/bracing and light engine mods. Nothing that gave me any real HP gains. It was still fun to drive though! My S2k was stock.
06-01-2011, 09:55 AM
#95
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I am probably too late to respond in this thread, since the decision for the MX-5 has been already made. I've been traveling and so couldn't give you the S2000 owner's standpoint.
I personally
the newer MX-5s myself. However...
There is nothing, and I mean nothing, like listening to an AP1 S2000 with F20 engine SCREAMING at 9k rpm. The AP2 at 8k rpm is really close but not quite the same.
Yes, it is a little twitchy, but the AP2s (2004-2009) have a changed suspension to make that less of a problem. Further, then 2006-2009s have traction control standard, so that along with the improved torque curve of the F22 engine, makes it a tolerable daily driver.
The choice of S2000 or MX-5 simply depends on how much you want to spend and your opinion on the aural experience.
This is the video that convinced me to purchase an S2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5cFzcZ8YY
And here's my LONG exhaust video...just skip the first 3-4 minutes and you'll hear lots of VTEC....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RftgmLmg8Xc
I personally
the newer MX-5s myself. However...There is nothing, and I mean nothing, like listening to an AP1 S2000 with F20 engine SCREAMING at 9k rpm. The AP2 at 8k rpm is really close but not quite the same.
Yes, it is a little twitchy, but the AP2s (2004-2009) have a changed suspension to make that less of a problem. Further, then 2006-2009s have traction control standard, so that along with the improved torque curve of the F22 engine, makes it a tolerable daily driver.
The choice of S2000 or MX-5 simply depends on how much you want to spend and your opinion on the aural experience.
This is the video that convinced me to purchase an S2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5cFzcZ8YY
And here's my LONG exhaust video...just skip the first 3-4 minutes and you'll hear lots of VTEC....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RftgmLmg8Xc
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06-01-2011, 10:41 AM
#96
I drive a Subata.
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While looking for a very slightly used mx-5.. found this 2008 s2k with 2000 miles..
06-01-2011, 10:50 AM
#97
In the Mid-South meow
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I know this is completey out of left field, but have you considerd a Saturn Sky or Pontiac Solstice? 260hp & 260lb/ft torque and easily modified to even more. Just sayin.
06-01-2011, 10:52 AM
#98
I drive a Subata.
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But they offered $32k for it. Isn't this really high considering it's a 4 years old car?
They do have 2008 white MX-5 Touring soft top with 5,500 miles for $21,988.
They do have 2008 white MX-5 Touring soft top with 5,500 miles for $21,988.
06-01-2011, 10:53 AM
#99
I drive a Subata.
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06-01-2011, 10:56 AM
#100
In the Mid-South meow
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06-01-2011, 10:59 AM
#101
I drive a Subata.
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BTW, that white mx-5 and the s2k are on the same lot... I should go check it out. What would be a good deal for that s2k? KBB's retail pricing on that is $28k.
06-01-2011, 11:06 AM
#102
Team Owner
The theft problem is very common, people want s2000's steering wheel, seats, headlights/projectors.
i am not sure about "The best shifter in any production cars" but it is definitely top 3.
i bought my 07 Honda Certified last year for 23k with 29k miles. Since the s2000 was discontinued in 09, the resale value/price for used s2000 is very high. For example, i bought my 05 in 05 brand new for 32k OTD. Now most of 08 used with low miles cost about 28k+ tax which is about 31k OTD... 07 honda certified are still going over $20k in most cases.
Also, color plays a big role in used s2k prices. White with any interior color will cost you more (in the thousands), LBP is 2nd. Silver and Suzuka blue are the cheapest
i am not sure about "The best shifter in any production cars" but it is definitely top 3.
i bought my 07 Honda Certified last year for 23k with 29k miles. Since the s2000 was discontinued in 09, the resale value/price for used s2000 is very high. For example, i bought my 05 in 05 brand new for 32k OTD. Now most of 08 used with low miles cost about 28k+ tax which is about 31k OTD... 07 honda certified are still going over $20k in most cases.
Also, color plays a big role in used s2k prices. White with any interior color will cost you more (in the thousands), LBP is 2nd. Silver and Suzuka blue are the cheapest
06-01-2011, 11:07 AM
#103
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
The NC's are faster than the turboed NB Mazdaspeed.
06-01-2011, 11:09 AM
#104
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
I am probably too late to respond in this thread, since the decision for the MX-5 has been already made. I've been traveling and so couldn't give you the S2000 owner's standpoint.
I personally the newer MX-5s myself. However...
There is nothing, and I mean nothing, like listening to an AP1 S2000 with F20 engine SCREAMING at 9k rpm. The AP2 at 8k rpm is really close but not quite the same.
Yes, it is a little twitchy, but the AP2s (2004-2009) have a changed suspension to make that less of a problem. Further, then 2006-2009s have traction control standard, so that along with the improved torque curve of the F22 engine, makes it a tolerable daily driver.
The choice of S2000 or MX-5 simply depends on how much you want to spend and your opinion on the aural experience.
This is the video that convinced me to purchase an S2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5cFzcZ8YY
And here's my LONG exhaust video...just skip the first 3-4 minutes and you'll hear lots of VTEC....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RftgmLmg8Xc
I personally
the newer MX-5s myself. However...There is nothing, and I mean nothing, like listening to an AP1 S2000 with F20 engine SCREAMING at 9k rpm. The AP2 at 8k rpm is really close but not quite the same.
Yes, it is a little twitchy, but the AP2s (2004-2009) have a changed suspension to make that less of a problem. Further, then 2006-2009s have traction control standard, so that along with the improved torque curve of the F22 engine, makes it a tolerable daily driver.
The choice of S2000 or MX-5 simply depends on how much you want to spend and your opinion on the aural experience.
This is the video that convinced me to purchase an S2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5cFzcZ8YY
And here's my LONG exhaust video...just skip the first 3-4 minutes and you'll hear lots of VTEC....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RftgmLmg8Xc
06-01-2011, 11:09 AM
#105
Three Wheelin'
i bought my 07 Honda Certified last year for 23k with 29k miles. Since the s2000 was discontinued in 09, the resale value/price for used s2000 is very high. For example, i bought my 05 in 05 brand new for 32k OTD. Now most of 08 used with low miles cost about 28k+ tax which is about 31k OTD... 07 honda certified are still going over $20k in most cases.
06-01-2011, 11:12 AM
#106
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge...I thought I hated them, until I drove a pretty heavily modified one.
It was putting 300hp to the wheels (pic below)...it wasn't quite as nimble, but damn it was fun. The power, the snug cockpit, the intoxicating blow off....I think he only spent probably $3000 getting it to how it sits with the exhuast, wheels/tires, intake tune and blowoff.
I dont care for the Saturns styling and getting in and out to put your top up/down sucks. Not having any trunk space sucks too.
It was putting 300hp to the wheels (pic below)...it wasn't quite as nimble, but damn it was fun. The power, the snug cockpit, the intoxicating blow off....I think he only spent probably $3000 getting it to how it sits with the exhuast, wheels/tires, intake tune and blowoff.
I dont care for the Saturns styling and getting in and out to put your top up/down sucks. Not having any trunk space sucks too.
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06-01-2011, 11:15 AM
#107
I drive a Subata.
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I've never driven the previous model miatas, but I did read on the forum that NCs are substantially faster.
However, I think my MS3 feels 10 times faster in the straightline.. My MS3 has been running stronger than ever with revisions on the map.
The S2K that I found is black color with black interior. I looked through the carfax and the original owner leased it and put like 650 miles per year...
And I have to say it's not a 4 years old, it's more like a 3 years old.
I'm going to try to low ball it to the internet sales manager just for the heck of it. Maybe like $29k OTD.
On the other hand, the white MX-5 with 5k miles seems like a good price. But now that you guys talk about seat thefts.. I'm kinda leaning toward the hardtops..
However, I think my MS3 feels 10 times faster in the straightline..
My MS3 has been running stronger than ever with revisions on the map. The S2K that I found is black color with black interior. I looked through the carfax and the original owner leased it and put like 650 miles per year...
And I have to say it's not a 4 years old, it's more like a 3 years old. I'm going to try to low ball it to the internet sales manager just for the heck of it. Maybe like $29k OTD.
On the other hand, the white MX-5 with 5k miles seems like a good price. But now that you guys talk about seat thefts.. I'm kinda leaning toward the hardtops..
06-01-2011, 11:18 AM
#108
I drive a Subata.
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge...I thought I hated them, until I drove a pretty heavily modified one.
It was putting 300hp to the wheels...it wasn't quite as nimble, but damn it was fun.
I dont care for the Saturns styling and getting in and out to put your top up/down sucks. Not having any trunk space sucks too.
It was putting 300hp to the wheels...it wasn't quite as nimble, but damn it was fun.
I dont care for the Saturns styling and getting in and out to put your top up/down sucks. Not having any trunk space sucks too.
Again, no offense, but I just don't care at all for Saturn and Pontiac.
06-01-2011, 11:40 AM
#110
I drive a Subata.
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Just checked my insurance rates..
I'm paying $110/month for my MS3 right now.
MX-5 $80/month
S2K $105/month
Very nice.
I'm paying $110/month for my MS3 right now.
MX-5 $80/month
S2K $105/month
Very nice.
06-01-2011, 11:52 AM
#111
That is an instant deal breaker for me.
06-01-2011, 12:15 PM
#112
'08 MX5 GT 6spd.
I barely have to stretch...
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06-01-2011, 12:22 PM
#113
I drive a Subata.
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^ 
I saw this youtube review of MX-5 NC that was led by these two guys. One guy was saying stuff about the hardtop convertible, how it is the fastest hardtop (12 seconds) in the industry. Then the other guy with old Miata busted open the softtop in like .5 secs. Thought that was funny.
I saw this youtube review of MX-5 NC that was led by these two guys. One guy was saying stuff about the hardtop convertible, how it is the fastest hardtop (12 seconds) in the industry. Then the other guy with old Miata busted open the softtop in like .5 secs. Thought that was funny.
06-01-2011, 12:24 PM
#114
My first Avatar....
^
That's it? Really?
That took like 1 second.
That's it? Really?
That took like 1 second.
06-01-2011, 12:25 PM
#115
I drive a Subata.
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I know, isn't it awesome? 
I tried that myself at the dealership with a softtop version, and I thought it was so awesome. I just lifted my arm and that was it. Why would you need a motor for that?
I tried that myself at the dealership with a softtop version, and I thought it was so awesome. I just lifted my arm and that was it. Why would you need a motor for that?
06-01-2011, 12:26 PM
#116
At least you don't have to step out of the car to take the top off like Pontiac and Saturn.
06-01-2011, 12:29 PM
#117
I drive a Subata.
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^ That would be horrible. I assume that would be a deal breaker for many people.
