OperationDarkie

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as I said its a rumor they have been talking about at the track or over the phone, alot of them used to own newer Porsches but lately they claim to have been having reliability uses ever since Volkswagon bought them.

When i say issues I don't mean small one either one guy said after one day at the track in his new 911 which I believe was a 2010 model he heard a thunk on his way home, come to find out his shock blew and he said he wouldn't ever buy a new porsche ever again and so he had it repaired and traded it in on an older model which was early 2000's model.

But my question is, is volkswagon reliability starting to affect the newer Porsches?

Alot of them have been buying up the older Porsches as well like the 914's, but basically any model older than when Volkswagon owned Porsche.

OperationDarkie

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Can I get a mods edit in the title to say "guys" instead of guy. Thanks

Aman

Are you insinuating Porsches were reliable before VW bought them?

OperationDarkie

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I'm not insinuating anything just as what I said are there serious issues with them now, now that they are owned by Volkswagon.

Aman

I know, but I don't think Porsches were ever reliable to begin with. I also don't think it's an issue with VW ownership. Don't you think major complaints would come from Volkswagen owners first?

Rick_TL-S

If anything, VAG's takeover has increased their reliability.

OperationDarkie

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Good point, I tried talking to them like a regular person but you know these guys have money and think they are better than everyone else so you know when I said "when has a porsche ever been really reliable?" they all where trying to ring me out to dry.

But after looking at my email just a second ago alot of them are now picking up 70's-90's models now, they claim those were the "real" Porsches.

Rick_TL-S

They may be "real", but they will be nowhere near as reliable or maintenance-free as the current cars. A lot of Porsche owners here do not trade down, they trade up from Carreras to Turbos to GT3s & so forth as they are released.

OperationDarkie

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Yeah I have just been trying to figure out what these rich guys are talking about. Sometimes they remind me of Valley girls at the mall.

phee

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Porsche has been at the top of most reliability lists for years now

onebadna1nsx

2 years and no problems with the CayenneS besides the HPFP was replaced once, but besides that it's 100% solid. Great car and a beast.

Crazy Bimmer

The shock blew and was fixed under warranty (assuming) and he now swears off all new Porsches over reliability issues? So instead he sells it to buy a 10 year old one?

I feel like those guys were trying to pull a fast one on you?

Many hardcore Porsche guys do love the older air cooled 911s more than the water cooled models though.

dallison

Porsche has had issues with ims in the 996 na and boxster but for the most part those things are pretty reliable. You can really get on them and they are still reliable with normal maintenance. I would have no problem using one as my dd.
I think they were yanking your chain or were a wee bit retarded, I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary on the porsche forums to say they have major issues.

Pete2010

I've heard that the 997 GT3 is one of the most bullet proof reliable cars out right now. All the guys at Rennlist swear my theirs and they are more than casual drives and really work them on the track.

charliemike

I think any car is going to have its share of problems.

And how long is a conversation about how good the car is? 20-30 seconds? Yet a story about something breaking can go on for half an hour

Moog-Type-S

I'm insinuating the OP does not know how to spell Volkswagen.

OperationDarkie

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Nope I don't. But thanks for the heads up.

Legend2TL

Porsche's reliability got much better around ~2000 when they undertook a fairly extensive rebuilding of their quality system. They hired the former Senior VP of operations from Toyota/Lexus and he spent a great deal of time understanding all of Porsche's operation. He was very blunt and honest about their many problems but Piech none the less implemented most of the systems the Japanese operations exec. recommended. They had temendous success since they warranty costs for newer Porsche's dropped alot. WSJ did a writeup on it back in the mid 2000's.

I don't know about the original question being the current effect of Porsche with the merger with VW, and if they are using the same quality systems. But I do know that even at the Cayenne/Tourag plant both Porsche and VW had different quality systems even to the point of different supply chain management systems. The Tourag's quality has been poor to fair where the Cayeene has been good despite being made at the same plant with the same workers.

TheMirror

First of all, VW doesn't own Porsche yet, so there is still no increased influence on product from one company to the other. There were major legal and tax implications (link) to the deal as of late last year, and there is only a tentative calendar for merging sometime in 2011....although it appears most of the legal issues have gone away (link).

As far as blown shocks on Porsches go, the owner in question should have contacted Boge, Koni, Sachs or Bilstein (PASM) about that....due to the fact that Porsche doesn't manufacture their own shocks.

On a more direct note, the Porsche owners the OP talks about can't f**king use Google? It took me 4 minutes to conjure up the links above.

'01White3.2CL

I was under the impression that Porsche was one of the most reliable Sports Cars one can own. I thought a 996 Turbo would make a great daily driver...

OperationDarkie

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Nah they dont like doing anything that takes work.

Like I said Valley girls pretty much sums them up.

TheMirror

Fair enough, understood.

OperationDarkie

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BTW these guys are somewhat snobbish and whatnot and think because they own a Porsche they rule the world, half of them are somewhat intimidated by me because one day one of them post this time about his car being so fast, so I say to him "I could beat that time" if he lets me drive his car, so we get on the track I basically found out this guy can't drive at all, so I beat his time by 3 seconds and all he could say was "I didn't know it could go that fast."

I just told him learn your limits...and walked off, I think that is why they somewhat don't like me as much as they did, but they respect my car handling skills.

TheMirror

Sweet. Nothing like a little "Scoreboard".

OperationDarkie

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Yeah but the sad thing was when they saw me getting into my acura they were like "Dude why don't you own a Porsche?"

Just replied I don't make Porsche money, but let me know if you guys want me to drive for you again I can show you how to handle the car.

Pretty much after that now all of a sudden they are asking me for setup tips for their cars and what not and asked me where I learned how to drive like that. I did the Skip Barber school back in like 2003 and I recommended that they take it for a better understanding of how to handle a car.

TheMirror

Crazy Bimmer

Which track do you go to?

OperationDarkie

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Autobahn, gingerman, blackhawk farms raceway, I am part of salt creek sports car club which is part of http://www.mcscc.org/

At first I was just autocrossing till I found out that they had road racing and I said screw autocross, I want to road race.

Autobahn is a nice fast track, but blackhawk farms is down right fuckin scary because of all the trees next to blind corners.

mmafighta

1. Im confused, isn't porsche the major shareholder of volkswagen not the other way around

2. Porsche is listed as having one of the highest resale and realiabilty of any car on jdpower.com especially the 997s

mmafighta

1. Im confused, isn't porsche the major shareholder of volkswagen not the other way around

2. Porsche is listed as having one of the highest resale and realiabilty of any car on jdpower.com especially the 997s

black label

^^^
100% this. I wouldn't call the air cooled guys "hardcore", I'd call them "old school purists". There's plenty of hardcore Porsche guys who love watercooled engines as well.

^^^
100% this as well. On top of what dallison mentioned, there were widespread issues with Porsches' early watercooled engines. Porsche replaced every one that failed under warranty no issues, not fixed, replaced. No manufacturer is immune to issues, it's how you handle them that makes the company. Porsche has the best owner loyalty in the automotive industry, you don't get that with out building a top notch product and backing it up like a top notch company.

I'd go with the valley girl theory.

05TLdcc

double post FAIL.

PortlandRL

You don't need to take automotive advice from somebody who thinks a defective shock absorber means all their cars are crap. Every car company has those little failures...cars and the components that go into them are mass-produced by the tens and hundreds of thousands...there's going to be a bad one in the batch. I hope he enjoys the repair bills on his older model.

dallison

In 5 years i will have another p-car after we buy our next house.