rockstar143

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That's what I figured...maybe...we'll see, I will look further into it but if there's room I'd rather pioneer some sort of retrofit that works really well like the inspires for the TL. You'd never know they don't belong!

MAS

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Originally Posted by rockstar143

That's what I figured...maybe...we'll see, I will look further into it but if there's room I'd rather pioneer some sort of retrofit that works really well like the inspires for the TL. You'd never know they don't belong!

I agree.....pave the way man......gotta be so cool for those who found something that no one else thought of and that works so well.

Accord Fogs.....Inspire Fogs.......RDX Caliper covers.......Rockstar Fogs.

rockstar143

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I am already the proud owner of 3 different 3G tail light designs!
but hell...that can't be enough!

UA6

rockstar143

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slowly but sure, huh...

Steven Bell

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.....Indeed.

JLsTypeS

Not knocking your car at all. I work at a honda dealership and we finally got a s2000 in. I absolutely loved the car since it came out. So after it went through service and detail and was just sitting on the lot waiting to get bought, I decided to take it for a spin. We have a long back road by the dealership and I let it rip. I have never been more disappointed in a cars acceleration or speed. I have a 2007 TL Type S and right when I got off work I took it on that road and to me, it felt like my TL absolutely was quicker and faster.



So, since you own both a TL and S2000 and know way more about comparing them than I do, is the TL that much faster? Was I in a messed up slow S2000? What is your opinion on it?

TLDude876

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^The TL is definitely quicker. More fun? Not so much

tlsrus

Very nice s2k! Congratulations! !!

rockstar143

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Honestly...as a simple response to that question, it's the torque you're "feeling" that makes it feel faster. I raced my own car when my friend that I trust was in town and they were pretty close...neither one walked the other.

The TL feels like it puts me in my seat more...but the S just feels light and nimble when I take off from a light...you can feel the 1000 less pounds. That said, I always feel very disappointed when I go around corners in the TL...it's good for it's weight...but cannot come close to how go karty (pronoun?) the S2000 feels.

So, at the end of the day, if you went and tried to do a straight line acceleration with the S2000 after owning the TL-S, I could DEFINITELY see you scratching your head about it. You literally went and tested it in a circumstance that would highlight it's worst attribute (in stock form). I saw a low boost turbo S at the last meet, and it was jaw dropping how quickly that thing just took off and got moving. Maybe down the line. Find some curvy roads, drop the top for the full experience and then you'll probably "get" why they are such popular cars.

swoosh

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I concur...the S is like the BRZ....from the factory they do not have enough power but these cars are made for the curved roads.....

its almost like taking a go kart and putting it in a quarter mile strip....it is NO fun....but take that kart around a track and you have a blast....

rockstar143

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Honestly...the S2000 isn't underpowered. It's just not a quarter mile beast, that's all. The car never feels like it doesn't have enough juice. At least not to me.

swoosh

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what are you comparing it to?

rockstar143

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What are you comparing it to to call it underpowered?

It doesn't bog or feel heavy when accelerating, it flows effortlessly, just doesn't pin you to the seat...so I guess, in a sense I could compare it to my EP3. That felt underpowered with the attempt at one sided eco friendly vtec.

Coming from the cars of yesteryear with sub 100 hp numbers to move similar weight, you'd be hard pressed to find a truly "under powered" modern car.

swoosh

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ohh I was just wondering since you had driven the S5 recently....

as you said and what I was mentioning, the S feels awesome but you have to be in the right rev range...and since you can take corners at a faster speed, more chances of you being in the higher rpm....

also the S is not underpowered (I never mentioned it was)....for the weight and the power, its almost perfect....could it have a little more low end torque, yes....

rockstar143

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About the torque, it would be nice to have lower, but it's probably saved my azz in the rain a lot. Nature of the vtec beast, I guess...all up top.

swoosh

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^^^ not having enough power from the factory does not mean underpowered....we both agree it could use a little more torque...

you are the one who mentioned underpowered and hence I asked you (to defend you) that what car are you comparing too LOL

yes if you drive the s5 and then the s2000, the s2000 will feel underpowered (again an attempt to defend you)


a classic example of underpowered would be the Mercedes Benz E350 (drove one back in 2008) and WOAH it had ZERO power....if I remember right, 250-260HP and weight of almost 4000lbs...

JLsTypeS

That's very true. I didn't think of the torque. I haven't been in many cars that put me in my seat like the TL S but I'm sure many cars are faster and don't give you that same feeling.

rockstar143

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Maybe if you'd used your alphabets I would have understood what you meant.

Not having enough power IS being under powered, by definition. I can't help if that's not what you meant, it's what you said. It's a pretty well accepted fact that the FRS/BRZ is underpowered and you said that the S2000 suffered the same.

Damn you hate being wrong more than me...







How would the power in one car have any bearing on whether or not another car has enough power? That has to do with perception...

Alls I was sayin is that the S2000 is fine, has plenty of power. Doesn't "need" more torque even. Technically, with the most basic idea of what a car is, transportation, if the car has enough power to transfer to the wheels and make it roll at all...it's not underpowered.

swoosh

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J-Chad...

no one but you yourself called the car underpowered....

the whole power debate came in when JLS said he was very disappointed in the acceleration....

also when you say "not good" that does not mean it is "bad", it could mean "its ok" ....underpowered was the word you mentioned...neither of us did....

I even gave an example of an underpowered car...260hp 4000lbs....yours is around 225hp and about what 2700lbs....thats not underpowered....

now the torque, you are at (had to look up) 168 @ 6800rpm....hence the mention of more torque down low, at around 3000-4000 rpm, so you dont need to be at the higher rpm all the time....

rockstar143

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LOL...okay, you're right. I guess...
you said didn't have enough power, but yet didn't mean under powered.

You can always win the argument by coming back and saying that's not what you meant, until what you supposedly meant can't be contested.

I'm wise to your moves, brown man.

swoosh

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I am not saying thats not what I meant....I am still saying the S2000 needs a tad bit more torque from the factory OR the max torque at a lower rpm as compared to 6800....

but yet am not saying its underpowered....

I am standing by my point...you are swaying around with judging who is right or wrong and who meant what....hence my new name for you: 'J-Chad' or may be "Jhad"

rockstar143

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needs more power. it is underpowered. it doesn't have enough power. You really having a hard time wrapping your head around what you said and those all meaning the same thing? This isn't your traditional quick vs fast BS debate that makes me cringe every time you spew it...this is fact. All three of those statements mean the same thing.

Don't try and fucking preach semantics and technicalities to me...and do not call me chad, because LIKE chad, you keep coming back to make sure you are right and have the last word.

you said that like the brz, and s2000 need more power. I said it's not underpowered...i never said you said it was underpowered, i chose my own word, i'm well aware...but you did said that the S2000 doesn't have enough power and I said it does.

Again, what am I comparing it to? What difference does it make? So if I would have said my 4.5 hp lawnmower then the S2000 is a fucking crazy torque beast monster? If I'd said a Veyron then the S2000 sucks and is slow and a pos that is, dare I say, UNDERpowered? Doesn't matter...didn't want to harp on it, but that question is what set me off.

The car has enough power...in my opinion, with me driving, with my arms and legs and eyes. I've backed off on the TL because you've done slightly more modification to the engine than me and have read other people's stories more than me...so I've let you be the expert. But your'e not going to come in here and have me take a proverbial intellectual back seat to yet ANOTHER car I own that in this particular case, you don't.

maybe we're all chads...hanging chads.

rockstar143

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...and I'm not swaying on shit.

I said that the car is fine and doesn't need more power. You said it did...I'm not swaying back and forth with who's right or wrong. I don't care who is right or wrong...but you're not going to come in here and contradict yourself and when I point it out, try and convince me that your bullshit is dark chocolate.

You're the one massaging things to fit.

You're probably used to being the smartest guy in a room...not always the case. You can't just muscle your way right which is why we've butted heads in the past. You know your shit, but you're not the ONLY one that knows t.

You've said before that you "let" me be the expert on tail lights and some aesthetics mods...but not to question you on what the J series can do or anything performance, rasp, related...I'm telling you, I am not an expert on everything, nor do I have your ability to read up on shit and absorb due to my ADD...but that doesn't mean I don't have many valid points and perspectives that may or may not contradict what you think you know also.

rockstar143

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end

swoosh

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am not trying to muscle my way through anything (you are the one who is ranting and venting out mah man), not sure why you get soo defensive and get your panties in a bunch....

same shit with the jpipe when I told you, the rasp was not coming from the jpipe and sure enough, after you got an exhaust no rasp but we went over with you calling me out (kinda the same thing here)....


not sure if you go back and read your posts but in all honestly seems like you are twisting your own words and others (mine)....

a clear example (which I didnt bring up until now) is, post 1497
so you are technically agreeing with me but then again telling me "Anil, I am right" and then posting that "Anil, you want to have the last word"....YES, I wish the power was down low....I wish we get max torque at 2000rpm like the german cars....


again, dont get defensive here dood, none of us (JLS included) said anything about your S....


I say the same about my car....the car could have more power from the factory but in no way our TL is underpowered....I feel there is a big difference which the Mercedes and BMW put it very well in groups....

we know the 528i has a small engine in it, we know it doesnt have the power....thats underpowered....the 535i, slightly bigger engine, could have a little more power but well, I feel its pretty well done for the car and the engine....finally the M5, I feel is over powered (we can never complain about that, can we)....


so even with power, its not either its underpowered or overpowered, there is middle ground as well...at times the factory could have done better but maybe they were saving it for future models...yada yada yada ( Meeks)....


either way, I honestly wish they bring the S back (there were rumors of a S1000 which was even lower on power and weight when compared to S2000)....and do calm down mang, thought we were through this


now meet me in the bath tub...

rockstar143

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but fine...let's meet at the hot tub.

and the S2000 isn't underpowered...

TLDude876

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S2000 is underpowered and slowwww IMO

JLsTypeS

I did not mean to start all this! Ahhhhhhhhh.

rockstar143

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Yeah, but does it not have enough power?

LOL...it's all good, man...you made some valid points.

Bottom line is that it's all about perception and expectation.

TLDude876

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On some days yes, cooler days and nights. There are times when it feels like a lawnmower With that said, the rawness and feel when you're behind the wheel is like no other. #racecar

rockstar143

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^^^LOL...
damn, didn't even think of applying the time space continuum to the under power formula.

Mind blown...
Oh yeah, Texas...fkng sit at a red light for 3 minutes in 100 degree heat...that first attempt at acceleration... good effing luck!

MAS

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For what it's worth, i don't believe your S2000 is underpowered or lacking power. I think its just probably a bit below average in the power department.

rockstar143

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Oh MAS...
you SOB!

MAS

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Maybe a bit subpar as far as HP is concerned. I could even see it maybe being a bit inferior as it relates to acceleration. But never underpowered.

:gheylaugh:

rockstar143

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yeah, NEVER under powered...just don't ever say that EVARRRRR!

MAS

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The car is great. Has plenty of power for what it was designed for. Even better there is plenty of aftermarket support so if you ever wanted to give it more reliable power you easily could. Best of all it is the best looking convertible out there so you S. FL boys can feel the wind in your hair while taking in the beautiful sights. Enjoy!

rockstar143

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^^^Well said, friend.

I agree wholeheartedly.
To be honest...if I keep the S long term...I'll eventually look for a reliable used turbo/charger setup. Looks like fun.

swoosh

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I was like Dennis you gonna piss Jeremy off....

TLDude876

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I love my S. Been driving it to work daily for 2 weeks now. TL is getting pretty