Caiman

"My friend" just bought a Phantom RCD XP. Wanted to know if any of yall have friends with one or are running different versions.
It doesnt jam Ka, but i may be able to modify it to jam Ka for my friend if I can find a Ka antenna and take a receiver from an old detector.

Nick337

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All Rocky Mountain products are junk. You want a real jammer look into the Escort Systems.

Caiman

haha you think i would go with rocky mountain?
my friend got a Scorpion

Nick337

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All Phantom Radars have been Rocky Mountain products for the past couple of years. I'm not too familiar with the Scorpion products so I can't tell you how well they work. But I can tell you that I have the SRX from Escort and I purchased probably 5 years ago and it still works pretty darn good.

Caiman

Well a Phantom RCD is just a renamed Scorpion Ultimate w/o Ka capabilities.
Heres the review
http://www.radarjammertechnology.com...mers/tests.php

It sets off my radar detector at start-up so I know it is an Active Jammer. Im just waiting to find a speed sign to test it on!

Cyberdemon

First off, having it set off your detector means it's emitting a radar signal, not "jamming" it.

Secondly, if you read your own review it gives you all of the reasons why this is a complete waste of time:

1: It doesn't do anything to KA. Unless you know for a fact that your department is running a K band gun (which very few do nowadays), or you're an EE with a masters in RF engineering this means you won't get any effect.

2: Even if it does jam, it will often false a speed higher than your actual MPH and will only work part of the time. Check out a forum like radardetector.net where the people buy and use the products, and you might find the information is a bit better than the people trying to sell them to you.

3: Unless you are getting hit with Instant on (which probably isn't the case for a department using an old X or K band gun) a good radar detector will pick up a cop a half mile before he can get a reading on you with his gun. So why try to "Jam" something you can detect and slow down from a half mile away? If a cop visually sees you speeding (or braking hard) he can just as easily cite you.


Long story short, they're junk products that work inconsistently at best and only against old bands of guns, illegal to own in many states, and I would not place any faith in that device protecting you from a ticket. If anything you are more likely to screw up the readings of your detector than you are to magically fool a cop into thinking your 90mph is really 55.

Your "Friend" should return it, hope he can get his money back, and spend that money on a good detector (Bel STI, V1, Escort 9500ix) and a set of laser jammers if laser enforcement is used in his area.

Caiman

If it is emitting a signal, it is capable of "jamming" any other gun on the same frequency. Its just like pointing 2 radar guns at eachother while one is moving closer. It will get an, either outrageous reading, or display nothing, or possibly a jam code.

Im willing to have something that works 15% of the time, than having nothing at all.

1.) I live in a city where the cops use top-of-the-notch guns (have family in the PD) and they still use K. I/O Digital K...
Ive only seen one State Trooper using X and it was on a highway through a small country town.

2.) Im a member of radardetector.net

3.) He can cite me for a visual speed reading, but those have no leverage in court


I have an Escort and a Blinder laser jammer...i just wanted to top everything off.

I do not place faith in any of my electronics, because they do fail from time to time. I just use all of my devices as countermeasures. I dont do 95 down the highway and expect to be looked over by cops. I drive sensibly and responsibly, I just like knowing where my "enemies" are.


P.S. I have nothing against cops. I have police officers in my family in the city that I live in. I respect them for the job they do...but when they get bored of drug busts, and decide to write me a ticket for 9mph over, I draw my line.

Cyberdemon

People who have tried using active jammers have been ticketed based on the "outrageous" speed reading. If you are doing 50 and his gun bleeps 80, and he sees a young kid in a car with a loud exhaust theres no reason he couldn't pull you over and write you up based on what the gun said. At that point do you go to court and say "but officer, my radar jammer was malfunctioning?"

And based on your 15% of the time statistic - that means you're willing to get 6 speeding tickets before your jammer works once. At that rate your license would have been suspended and you probably would have paid over $1000 in fines before your jammer paid for itself once. Also not sure how much you paid for them since you generally can't find them for sale anywhere. Oh yeah, and if you get pulled over and they actually are smart enough to know what it is, good luck with that.

It's an expensive and un-reliable false sense of security with mixed results from the few who actually have tracked one down. You're more likely to interfere with your Escort's ability to pick up I/O than you are to jam it.

Nick337

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Good Point, If you are not speeding alot of the times, you should not even need a jammer anyways. The 9500 from Escort will do the job fine.

Majofo

Caiman

As in outrageous speed readings, i meant like 190mph. If you know how a jammer works, it pulses the radar at different increments in order to confuse, or jam, the radar gun.
So with a jammer the cop will read (---) or rarely pick up a speed reading something like 120, then 33, then 199.
So he will notice there is not an accurate speed reading, and probably disregard the person with the jammer.
Or if he decides to pull someone over for 199mph, you could just point at your speedo and tell him your car wont even reach that speed.

There is a reason why these things are illegal...they work. And the fcc freq. regulations.

Cyberdemon

From your own article:

"The Stalker digital K band gun intermittently displayed the correct speed of the test vehicle of 50 mph, but also displayed a speed of 92 mph"

And from RD.net people saying they got readings of 80mph. Not 190.

And pointing at your speedo? My 89 Ford Taurus only went up to 85 on the clock. Does that mean if I got pulled over for 90 I could say "Impossible Sir. My speedometer only goes to 85!"

Not sure where you're getting your info from and why you are so sure of it.

I would love to see you video tape yourself driving past some K-band radar signs and see how effective it is.

You'll be so sure it works until you wind up pulled over and then try selling it to the next sucker.

juniorbean

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Not sure I can add much to what has already been said, but Rocky Mountain radar products (and any products they are affiliated with) are pretty much crap. I had one of their "jammers" and had a friend on the police force clock me several times and it never once jammed his gun. Now, this was years ago, but from what I have heard, not much has changed.

BTW, you yourself keep mentioning over and over how the jammers are illegal. Ever wonder how companies like Rocky Mountain Radar are still in business and manage to avoid being shut down and/or fined? It's not b/c they have slick marketing which paints the product as something else... it's b/c for the most part, their products do not work... so the FCC does not even bother with them. Also, ever see those stealth cars which are setup to not be seen by radar/laser? There are a few floating around from a Vette to an R8, and have been many over the years. Not one of them is using anything less then radar jammers which cost thousands of dollars. Why? B/C they are the only one's that truly work.

Stick with your Escort and Blinder setup and don't drive like an ass and you'll be fine.

Caiman

Its not a product of RMR. It is a renamed Scorpion jammer.

The reason rocky mountain products are not illegal is because they no NOT work. And they dont emit a signal regulated by the fcc.

And when I re-tune the jammer, ill put a video of it jamming a speed sign.

TS_eXpeed

I know it's kind of been iterated already, but as said before;
Radar cannot be "jammed" with the exception of reedonkulous systems ($$$$)
Laser can be given the right system (which is completely different and separate from a radar detector), but even those aren't fail-safe.

Stick with people like escort or valentine. You'll be throwing your money away with most others.

Majofo

The ignorance is very strong here..

juniorbean

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I understand that, however, your reply quoted below gives the impression that they are related which would lead one to believe if the RMR product is BS, then by default, the Scorpion Ultimate is also BS...

Cyberdemon

So does that mean you are admitting that you don't believe it will work as is?

By the way, If you can successfully tune the antenna by hand I can probably get you a good job as an RF engineer.

"Tuning" an antenna isn't just a matter of screwing on a different metal horn from some other radar detector and magically expecting it to jam a different frequency, it's the fundamental design of the printed circuit board and electronics.

Majofo

Can you get me a job as a RF engineer? I did my MSEE in RF & Wireless but the industry is seriously pathetic right now especially in central TX since Freescale & TI cut their wireless groups..

Cyberdemon

Shot you a PM.

Majofo

Thanks

RaviNJCLs

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Cyberdemon

I've had good luck with this for avoiding tickets:



I retuned it so I go back to 1950 before police had radar guns, then can drive as fast as I want and if I get caught I just need to get up to 88 to get back to my own time.

Valentine 1's are for suckers.

Majofo

I have a few flux capacitors as well.. I actually retuned that version to to 70 mph if you can believe it. I changed back after I went a little above the freeway speed limit and crashed into a brontosaurus.. It got really complicated after that.. I keep it at 88 now.

juniorbean

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^ Nothing like a good flux capacitor!! They are great for refrigerators as well!

Caiman

there are tuning screws inside on the printed circuit board...so cyberdeamon, will you send me an application?

Majofo

Here you go:

Cyberdemon

Tuning screws are on certain horns to adjust their orientation to account for issues during manufacturing and fine tune their performance, not to change the frequency of the transmitter.

Feel free to turn as many screws as you'd like. Maybe you'll beam radar into space and make first contact!

If you come into some money I happen to have a bridge for sale.

Caiman

I never said I was going to tune the frequency

I was going to have a friend point a radar gun at it from 100 feet away and turn the screw until it jams. No big deal.

pimpin-tl

Escorts are good, but they are not great. The best systems can be learned about here.

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/

LI systems and Blinder

Cyberdemon

Actually that was pretty much the first thing you said.

Out of curiousity why do you think it needs to be tuned at all if you haven't tested it already?

Caiman

I thought I could buy a Ka antenna and make it work, but my friend said that its called wideband Ka for a reason...and I would need multiple horns (Like the Scorpion Ultimate Ka Jammer)

But i never said tune the frequency...idk why i would want to do that since it is already tuned to the correct freq

I thought it needed to be tuned since it is a 9 or so year old electronic device.

But idk how ill tune the DSP jamming components of this thing...ill probably just leave those alone.

Caiman

Thank man, but already a member

subinf

Can you hook me up with a croc?

Ken1997TL

What you really need is an ALQ-119

Caiman

Sure can! What breed?

El Genio

What's your name on rd.net? I'm v1user on there.

As for the scorpion jammer, it can work but its not something I would trust at the very least. Rocky Mountain-I have one and the only thing it does is beep when you turn it on. It doesn't detect and it doesn't jam.

Caiman

Im, not surprisingly, AcuraTL. I had an account a while back, but I lost the user name...so I just made another.

And yeah, RMR products are GARBAGE! They actually do scramble radar...from about 3 feet away from the gun. LOL
You might as well have a brick on your dash.

And Im not even using the Phantom rcd aka Scorpion right now. I dont want to get pulled over for jamming a laser, and then they find the scorpion...talk about screwed.