Phil Patton: Toyota/Lexus Styling The Worst
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Phil Patton: Toyota/Lexus Styling The Worst
In the latest C&D, Toyota/Lexus received last place with a D+ in styling by Phil Patton, a teacher at the School of Visual Arts in NY and automobile-design writer for the NY Times.
Honda/Acura finished second to last with a C- with the only A going to Jaguar/Land Rover.
Jaguar/Landrover A
GM A-
Ferrari A-
Kia A-
Audi/VW B+
BMW B+
Hyundai B+
Saab B+
Chrysler B
Mercedes-Benz B
Nissan/Infiniti B
Porsche B-
Subaru B-
Suzuki B-
Mitsubishi C
Honda/Acura C-
Toyota/Lexus D+
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Honda/Acura finished second to last with a C- with the only A going to Jaguar/Land Rover.
Jaguar/Landrover A
GM A-
Ferrari A-
Kia A-
Audi/VW B+
BMW B+
Hyundai B+
Saab B+
Chrysler B
Mercedes-Benz B
Nissan/Infiniti B
Porsche B-
Subaru B-
Suzuki B-
Mitsubishi C
Honda/Acura C-
Toyota/Lexus D+
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Chrysler, Subaru, Suzuki, Mitsubishi should be re-evaluated. Chrysler only has the Crossfire & 300 - the rest of its lineup is unremarkable.
I can't think of a single Subaru that actually looks hot - they're not even decent, most of them have odd proportions/design cues.
Same for Suzuki - whole line up is ugly, with the Kizashi being a huge disappointment from its prototype.
Mitsubishi - the new corporate look of the Lancer and Outlander is aggressive - but it's almost Audi-like so I wouldn't give it full credit. the rest of the lineup should really bring its total score down.
I think Acura/Honda and Toyota/Lexus deserve to be where they are.
I can't think of a single Subaru that actually looks hot - they're not even decent, most of them have odd proportions/design cues.
Same for Suzuki - whole line up is ugly, with the Kizashi being a huge disappointment from its prototype.
Mitsubishi - the new corporate look of the Lancer and Outlander is aggressive - but it's almost Audi-like so I wouldn't give it full credit. the rest of the lineup should really bring its total score down.
I think Acura/Honda and Toyota/Lexus deserve to be where they are.
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So it's Jon Ikeda's fault ehhh?
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btw... c- is a gift.
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Honda/Acura designs are miles ahead of rest of competion. and resale value reflect. It is not just reliability but cars age very well
TSX/MDX/RL/ZDX are A+ in there category. I wouldnot trade Honda Civic Coupe/Accord Coupe/Honda Pilot with any thing designed by Kia.
Just look at this TL. IT will still look modern 20 years into the Future.
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TSX/MDX/RL/ZDX are A+ in there category. I wouldnot trade Honda Civic Coupe/Accord Coupe/Honda Pilot with any thing designed by Kia.
Just look at this TL. IT will still look modern 20 years into the Future.
http://h73shw.blu.livefilestore.com/...002.JPG?psid=1
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#11
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Nice for a good Monday morning laugh. Jaguar is ranked at the top.
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#15
Burning Brakes
Overall Honda is better (this includes Acura/Lexus brands).
#17
The sizzle in the Steak
Since Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus in this survey are connected, then it clearly that Honda is the good in the Honda/Acura and Lexus is the good in Toyota/Lexus.
Acura =![Turd](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/turd.gif)
Toyota =![Turd](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/turd.gif)
Honda....meh...only a few standouts in a pile of bleh.
Lexus....meh...only a few standouts in a sea of vanilla.
Acura =
![Turd](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/turd.gif)
Toyota =
![Turd](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/turd.gif)
Honda....meh...only a few standouts in a pile of bleh.
Lexus....meh...only a few standouts in a sea of vanilla.
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The sizzle in the Steak
#20
Senior Moderator
Yup, missed that one. Although I don't think the CR-V is ugly by any stretch.
Got a call from a friend yesterday who asked me if I had heard of the Honda Crosstour. They had just seen one on the road and loved it. They wanted pricing etc... Styling is absolutely subjective. I have a hard time believing someone can actually think the Crosstour looks good but these strange, almost blind people with horrible automotive taste are in fact out there.
Got a call from a friend yesterday who asked me if I had heard of the Honda Crosstour. They had just seen one on the road and loved it. They wanted pricing etc... Styling is absolutely subjective. I have a hard time believing someone can actually think the Crosstour looks good but these strange, almost blind people with horrible automotive taste are in fact out there.
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what's the grade for this?![ugh](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ugh.gif)
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#24
Suzuka Master
Intellectual honesty tells me that the Lexus line looks better overall than the Acura. As for Toyota, Civic > Corolla, CRV > Rav4, Odyssey > Sienna, Pilot >Highlander, Prius > Insight, Ridgeline > Tundra, Fit > Yaris.
Overall Honda is better (this includes Acura/Lexus brands).
Overall Honda is better (this includes Acura/Lexus brands).
Please go back to 3G TL with the rest of the groupies.
#26
2016 Acura TLX
I'll be honest and say that the new Hyundais/Kias look absolutely amazing. Seriously though, it baffles me how good they look. I understand that a lot of people won't be able to get over the badge and will automatically say they are ugly. Some people need to put down the Honda kool-aid and look around. If these were rebadged as Hondas or Acuras, would people still think they are ugly? Btw, I used to tell myself that I will never buy a Kia. I most likely still won't but I've thought about it. It's so confusing.
#29
this is such a subjective topic, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so i dont see how one person can determine the grade for a company's styling, and that hold any value for others.
#30
Senior Moderator
I would knock pretty much all of them down a few pegs. Honestly, there are not many cars out there that I think actually look good.
An A- for GM is laughable, IMO. The Buicks look better, but the Chevy models are meh or worse for me. Audi is a thumbsup from me, but VW thumbsdown. And where is Ford/Lincoln on this list? That abomination IS300Eater posted is just appalling. I've seen a few on the road and wanted to scratch my eyes out after looking at it.
An A- for GM is laughable, IMO. The Buicks look better, but the Chevy models are meh or worse for me. Audi is a thumbsup from me, but VW thumbsdown. And where is Ford/Lincoln on this list? That abomination IS300Eater posted is just appalling. I've seen a few on the road and wanted to scratch my eyes out after looking at it.
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#32
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A C- for Honda/Acura? Really? Did he even bother to look at the TL?
At the end of the day, though, you really can't argue on such a subjective point.
At the end of the day, though, you really can't argue on such a subjective point.
#34
Drifting
I really like the new Jaguar designs, much more so than their tired, old ones. ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
For a large crossover, i don't think the Lincoln MKT looks that bad. Don't get me wrong, it's not my cup of tea, but I think there are far worse designs out there.
Overall, I've been quite impressed with the designs coming from Kia and Hyundai. Along those lines, I also think both Ford and GM have made vast improvements in their designs as well.
IMO, some ugly cars currently on the market include, but are not limited to: Subaru Legacy, Chrysler Sebring, Acura TL(well, most of the current Acura line, but most notably the TL), and the Honda Crosstour. I'm sure I left out some much deserved models, but those are the ones that immediately came to mind.
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Originally Posted by is300eater
what's the grade for this?
Overall, I've been quite impressed with the designs coming from Kia and Hyundai. Along those lines, I also think both Ford and GM have made vast improvements in their designs as well.
IMO, some ugly cars currently on the market include, but are not limited to: Subaru Legacy, Chrysler Sebring, Acura TL(well, most of the current Acura line, but most notably the TL), and the Honda Crosstour. I'm sure I left out some much deserved models, but those are the ones that immediately came to mind.
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The sizzle in the Steak
#37
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One can only assume that the man studied art/archetecture/design, and all that goes with these subjects. Therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that he is a bit more qualified than the 'average joe' when it comes to determining what good design is.
#38
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"Phil Patton, a teacher at the School of Visual Arts in NY and automobile-design..."
One can only assume that the man studied art/archetecture/design, and all that goes with these subjects. Therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that he is a bit more qualified than the 'average joe' when it comes to determining what good design is.
One can only assume that the man studied art/archetecture/design, and all that goes with these subjects. Therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that he is a bit more qualified than the 'average joe' when it comes to determining what good design is.
#39
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That is because those 10,000 people see something wrong with bad design. It happens on a psychological level that most people don't, or even want, to understand.
The human brain enjoys symetry/logic/proportion. The Golden Ratio when applied to design and architecture etc. provides the human brain with the needed symetry. I'm thinking Phil Patton probably knows something about all of this.
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#40
Ford got a B u guyz look at the last picture...
plz stfu
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