OT but any "car nut" should appreciate it - Cobra Replica
07-12-2010, 01:43 PM
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OT but any "car nut" should appreciate it - Cobra Replica
I just finished a documentary short about a Shelby Cobra replica restoration. Bob the owner has had a lifelong love of cars, in many ways, he's just like us! (watch in full screen HD on the youtube site vs. the embed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam5k19257w&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam5k19257w&hd=1
07-12-2010, 01:50 PM
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07-12-2010, 03:14 PM
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The 1966 427 Shelby AC Cobra production run was built in an unused hanger at Los Angeles International Airport. All of them were built in 1965 and as I recall, that "all of them" was 351. Shelby was not able to get Ford 427 side oiler engines for the entire run and as best as I can remember, 53 of them received the less desirable and less powerful 428. The sticker price for the 427 AC Cobra was between $7000 and $7200.
In the November 1965 issue of Car and Driver magazine, there was an article entitled, "Battle of the 427's" which was really two road tests of two different cars: the 427 Cobra and the 427 (L72) Corvette convertible. I have an original copy of this magazine which I bought back then when it was in print.
A next door neighbor of mine (literally) built a Factory Five replica of this car in his garage. He took three years to complete his project and it is magnificent. He is running a small block Ford 302 opened up to 331 cubic inches which he bought new as a crate motor. It's putting out just over 400 HP in its current state of tune and in his slightly more than 2200 pound replica it screams, let me tell you.
I well remember when you could buy the real deal and I remember seeing some on our local streets. There was a man who lived in McLean, Virginia who bought two of them: a black one and an ugly sky blue one.
Oh, Car and Driver tested they Cobra example at a 12.2/118 MPH quarter mile in street tires with a 3.54:1 rear. Some of their runs were starting off in second gear because of the tremendous amount of wheel spin. The 427 in that car was rated at 485 HP and 480 lb/ft of torque.
Love it.
In the November 1965 issue of Car and Driver magazine, there was an article entitled, "Battle of the 427's" which was really two road tests of two different cars: the 427 Cobra and the 427 (L72) Corvette convertible. I have an original copy of this magazine which I bought back then when it was in print.
A next door neighbor of mine (literally) built a Factory Five replica of this car in his garage. He took three years to complete his project and it is magnificent. He is running a small block Ford 302 opened up to 331 cubic inches which he bought new as a crate motor. It's putting out just over 400 HP in its current state of tune and in his slightly more than 2200 pound replica it screams, let me tell you.
I well remember when you could buy the real deal and I remember seeing some on our local streets. There was a man who lived in McLean, Virginia who bought two of them: a black one and an ugly sky blue one.
Oh, Car and Driver tested they Cobra example at a 12.2/118 MPH quarter mile in street tires with a 3.54:1 rear. Some of their runs were starting off in second gear because of the tremendous amount of wheel spin. The 427 in that car was rated at 485 HP and 480 lb/ft of torque.
Love it.
07-12-2010, 05:55 PM
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^^ Thanks for the comments, I thought the story was worth telling.
07-12-2010, 06:47 PM
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Colin, great video. Good to see back on the forums.
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07-12-2010, 06:56 PM
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The 1966 427 Shelby AC Cobra production run was built in an unused hanger at Los Angeles International Airport. All of them were built in 1965 and as I recall, that "all of them" was 351. Shelby was not able to get Ford 427 side oiler engines for the entire run and as best as I can remember, 53 of them received the less desirable and less powerful 428. The sticker price for the 427 AC Cobra was between $7000 and $7200.
In the November 1965 issue of Car and Driver magazine, there was an article entitled, "Battle of the 427's" which was really two road tests of two different cars: the 427 Cobra and the 427 (L72) Corvette convertible. I have an original copy of this magazine which I bought back then when it was in print.
A next door neighbor of mine (literally) built a Factory Five replica of this car in his garage. He took three years to complete his project and it is magnificent. He is running a small block Ford 302 opened up to 331 cubic inches which he bought new as a crate motor. It's putting out just over 400 HP in its current state of tune and in his slightly more than 2200 pound replica it screams, let me tell you.
I well remember when you could buy the real deal and I remember seeing some on our local streets. There was a man who lived in McLean, Virginia who bought two of them: a black one and an ugly sky blue one.
Oh, Car and Driver tested they Cobra example at a 12.2/118 MPH quarter mile in street tires with a 3.54:1 rear. Some of their runs were starting off in second gear because of the tremendous amount of wheel spin. The 427 in that car was rated at 485 HP and 480 lb/ft of torque.
Love it.
In the November 1965 issue of Car and Driver magazine, there was an article entitled, "Battle of the 427's" which was really two road tests of two different cars: the 427 Cobra and the 427 (L72) Corvette convertible. I have an original copy of this magazine which I bought back then when it was in print.
A next door neighbor of mine (literally) built a Factory Five replica of this car in his garage. He took three years to complete his project and it is magnificent. He is running a small block Ford 302 opened up to 331 cubic inches which he bought new as a crate motor. It's putting out just over 400 HP in its current state of tune and in his slightly more than 2200 pound replica it screams, let me tell you.
I well remember when you could buy the real deal and I remember seeing some on our local streets. There was a man who lived in McLean, Virginia who bought two of them: a black one and an ugly sky blue one.
Oh, Car and Driver tested they Cobra example at a 12.2/118 MPH quarter mile in street tires with a 3.54:1 rear. Some of their runs were starting off in second gear because of the tremendous amount of wheel spin. The 427 in that car was rated at 485 HP and 480 lb/ft of torque.
Love it.
In regards to the 427 "street" cars, there were 260 cars built. Of that amount, the first 100 or so cars built all had the 427 FEs. At around serial number 3200, the 428 was supplied by Ford for the Cobra. The 428 had better torque which was preferred by many, as well as a hydraulic camshaft. There were approximately 100 428 cars built. Legend has it that a few 390 cars were also produced. The FE engine family is basically identical exterior wise throughout the displacement range. At around 3300 serial number, all 427 Cobras were once more fitted with 427s. Of those 427s, they were once more differentiated by either low-riser or medium-riser heads. Throughout the years I've heard legends of some Cobras having hi-riser heads, but I doubt any ever actually left SA with this engine.
During this time, SA also offered Cobra 427 competition cars. This basically started with chassis number 2196, being fitted with either a 427 to an experimental 390. The primary difference with the competition cars were the use of coil springs as opposed the leaf springs of the street 427s. The frame tubes were also widened to four inches from the original three. The competition cars started with chassis number 3001 with production beginning in January 1965, being priced at around $9500.00. Only 23 competition cars ever left SA.
SA also developed the S/C (semi competition) car. Basically a detuned competition model with lower compression, cooling fans, and less aggressive tires. 29 were eventually manufactured and delivered.
There have also been Dragonsnakes, Super-snakes, and a few other interesting Cobras of various configurations. One of my personal biggest thrills was feeling the exhaust of Shelby's personal 427 twin supercharged 800 horsepower Cobra on my shins in 2007. All told, 343 coil spring Cobras were manufactured.
Terry
07-12-2010, 06:58 PM
#9
I just finished a documentary short about a Shelby Cobra replica restoration. Bob the owner has had a lifelong love of cars, in many ways, he's just like us! (watch in full screen HD on the youtube site vs. the embed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam5k19257w&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam5k19257w&hd=1
Cool video. I really enjoyed it!
Terry
07-12-2010, 07:14 PM
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I posted this reply in the "Drove a Porsche 911 Turbo today" thread but it's more appropriate for this one.
<hr style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> A older colleague (Gary) had a amusing experience when he was working part-time at a service station in West Virginia on a quiet Sunday afternoon back in the mid-70's. Besides the usual array of mundane vehicles in for service in the back parking lot, there was a AC 427 Cobra (belonging to a friend of the gas station owner). Gary and another co-worker (a classmate from the high school he attended) started to debate what it would be like to drive the Cobra. Gary decided to take the Cobra out for a little drive, figuring if he kept the miles low the owner wouldn't notice. Gary's co-worker tried to talk him out of it to no avail. He powered up the Cobra, let it warm up and took it for a 10 mile country road drive. He tried to explore the limits of the tires (mid-70's Goodyears) while getting used to the heavy steering and stiff brakes.
Midway through he decided to WOT in the top two gears, then after apexing a moderate right curve he opened it up in 2nd and did a instant spin and wound up in the shoulder of the opposite lane with the rear tires only a couple feet from the edge of a decent hill (no guardrail). He sheepishly drove back to to the station and his co-worker said his face was white as a sheet. The station owner and Cobra owner never found out about his test drive. Gary figured with his inexperience, 70's tire technology, low weight, and a short wheelbase it was a bad combination as all he wanted to do was a oversteer slide through the turn exit.
After college, Gary got a C4 vette and always wrote down the mileage when taking it in for service.
<hr style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> A older colleague (Gary) had a amusing experience when he was working part-time at a service station in West Virginia on a quiet Sunday afternoon back in the mid-70's. Besides the usual array of mundane vehicles in for service in the back parking lot, there was a AC 427 Cobra (belonging to a friend of the gas station owner). Gary and another co-worker (a classmate from the high school he attended) started to debate what it would be like to drive the Cobra. Gary decided to take the Cobra out for a little drive, figuring if he kept the miles low the owner wouldn't notice. Gary's co-worker tried to talk him out of it to no avail. He powered up the Cobra, let it warm up and took it for a 10 mile country road drive. He tried to explore the limits of the tires (mid-70's Goodyears) while getting used to the heavy steering and stiff brakes.
Midway through he decided to WOT in the top two gears, then after apexing a moderate right curve he opened it up in 2nd and did a instant spin and wound up in the shoulder of the opposite lane with the rear tires only a couple feet from the edge of a decent hill (no guardrail). He sheepishly drove back to to the station and his co-worker said his face was white as a sheet. The station owner and Cobra owner never found out about his test drive. Gary figured with his inexperience, 70's tire technology, low weight, and a short wheelbase it was a bad combination as all he wanted to do was a oversteer slide through the turn exit.
After college, Gary got a C4 vette and always wrote down the mileage when taking it in for service.
07-12-2010, 07:53 PM
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^^ Too funny. That car is brutal in every respect. I never got a good shot of the ghost stripes on the cobra. They're subtle and so hard to photograph.
07-12-2010, 07:54 PM
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07-12-2010, 08:56 PM
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He seems to be an interesting individual, and I certainly like how he built the car to his individual tastes. He never once represented the car to be anything that it wasn't, and the viewer (at least I did) appreciated him lightly touching on the details that made the car specifically his.
Terry
07-12-2010, 09:03 PM
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07-12-2010, 09:15 PM
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Not at all. It was just right. Many builders, as I'm sure you know, want to share the most intricate details of their project. There is a tremendous amount of pride and satisfaction that goes into either the restoration or building of an automobile. I like how you presented an equal amount of both car and builder, and the relationship that exists between the two.
He seems to be an interesting individual, and I certainly like how he built the car to his individual tastes. He never once represented the car to be anything that it wasn't, and the viewer (at least I did) appreciated him lightly touching on the details that made the car specifically his.
Terry
He seems to be an interesting individual, and I certainly like how he built the car to his individual tastes. He never once represented the car to be anything that it wasn't, and the viewer (at least I did) appreciated him lightly touching on the details that made the car specifically his.
Terry
It's funny, as a director, cameraman and editor, I sometimes get 'too close' to a project and cannot see it objectively. I would have included more stores if I had photos to back them up. Unfortunately they were non-existant. For example, he talked about walking to his fathers garage, and I was wishing for an old pic of the 50's era service station.
07-12-2010, 09:17 PM
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The 427/428 Cobras had the more aggressive appearance with the wider grill opening and larger flared wheel wells that most replica and kit cars emulate.The 289 Cobras may have been better handling cars for most road courses, though.
07-12-2010, 09:31 PM
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07-13-2010, 07:17 AM
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Hey P. What's up my friend? Lusting after anything lately?
In regards to the 427 "street" cars, there were 260 cars built. Of that amount, the first 100 or so cars built all had the 427 FEs. At around serial number 3200, the 428 was supplied by Ford for the Cobra. The 428 had better torque which was preferred by many, as well as a hydraulic camshaft. There were approximately 100 428 cars built. Legend has it that a few 390 cars were also produced. The FE engine family is basically identical exterior wise throughout the displacement range. At around 3300 serial number, all 427 Cobras were once more fitted with 427s. Of those 427s, they were once more differentiated by either low-riser or medium-riser heads. Throughout the years I've heard legends of some Cobras having hi-riser heads, but I doubt any ever actually left SA with this engine.
During this time, SA also offered Cobra 427 competition cars. This basically started with chassis number 2196, being fitted with either a 427 to an experimental 390. The primary difference with the competition cars were the use of coil springs as opposed the leaf springs of the street 427s. The frame tubes were also widened to four inches from the original three. The competition cars started with chassis number 3001 with production beginning in January 1965, being priced at around $9500.00. Only 23 competition cars ever left SA.
SA also developed the S/C (semi competition) car. Basically a detuned competition model with lower compression, cooling fans, and less aggressive tires. 29 were eventually manufactured and delivered.
There have also been Dragonsnakes, Super-snakes, and a few other interesting Cobras of various configurations. One of my personal biggest thrills was feeling the exhaust of Shelby's personal 427 twin supercharged 800 horsepower Cobra on my shins in 2007. All told, 343 coil spring Cobras were manufactured.
Terry
In regards to the 427 "street" cars, there were 260 cars built. Of that amount, the first 100 or so cars built all had the 427 FEs. At around serial number 3200, the 428 was supplied by Ford for the Cobra. The 428 had better torque which was preferred by many, as well as a hydraulic camshaft. There were approximately 100 428 cars built. Legend has it that a few 390 cars were also produced. The FE engine family is basically identical exterior wise throughout the displacement range. At around 3300 serial number, all 427 Cobras were once more fitted with 427s. Of those 427s, they were once more differentiated by either low-riser or medium-riser heads. Throughout the years I've heard legends of some Cobras having hi-riser heads, but I doubt any ever actually left SA with this engine.
During this time, SA also offered Cobra 427 competition cars. This basically started with chassis number 2196, being fitted with either a 427 to an experimental 390. The primary difference with the competition cars were the use of coil springs as opposed the leaf springs of the street 427s. The frame tubes were also widened to four inches from the original three. The competition cars started with chassis number 3001 with production beginning in January 1965, being priced at around $9500.00. Only 23 competition cars ever left SA.
SA also developed the S/C (semi competition) car. Basically a detuned competition model with lower compression, cooling fans, and less aggressive tires. 29 were eventually manufactured and delivered.
There have also been Dragonsnakes, Super-snakes, and a few other interesting Cobras of various configurations. One of my personal biggest thrills was feeling the exhaust of Shelby's personal 427 twin supercharged 800 horsepower Cobra on my shins in 2007. All told, 343 coil spring Cobras were manufactured.
Terry
The Car and Driver article I mentioned tested a 427 Cobra with had a solid lifter cam (though a rather mild one since they made specific mention of how docile the car was in LA traffic during hot weather). The engine had two 4-barrel Holley's and there is a picture of the car with others in the background - mostly Shelby 350 Mustangs. I love one of the quotes by a "Ford" guy who says, "it's a big cooking engine". Also they make mention of the fact the car will break traction in fourth gear at 100 MPH. The acceleration graph looks almost vertical.
I just went upstairs to get my copy of this C&D issue (yes, November, 1965) so I have it here as I write this. The intro verbiage preceding the story says, "Not long ago, the Cobra 427 would have been the hot setup on any race track. Now it's a civilized street machine!".
At the article's beginning, they talk about a record the 427 Cobra set which stood for many years: 0-100-0 in 14.5 seconds. This was accomplished on the standard Goodyear Blue Dot 8.15 x 15 tires and they stated that it was obtainable by any average 427 Cobra driver. They also like the fact that this engine is more "civilized" than the previously used 289's.
And Terry, the intake manifold is most definitely not a high rise unit on this car. The two Holley's are single feed pots, probably either 600 CFM or 660 CFM per. And the price as tested is given as, "$7000 (approx.).
But man, what a machine.
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07-13-2010, 10:50 AM
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I was hoping you would weigh in on this since you are the resident Ford guru. The numbers I had heard were from a magazine I read some years ago as I remember. Memories can fade and magazines can make mistakes so I welcome all corrections.
The Car and Driver article I mentioned tested a 427 Cobra with had a solid lifter cam (though a rather mild one since they made specific mention of how docile the car was in LA traffic during hot weather). The engine had two 4-barrel Holley's and there is a picture of the car with others in the background - mostly Shelby 350 Mustangs. I love one of the quotes by a "Ford" guy who says, "it's a big cooking engine". Also they make mention of the fact the car will break traction in fourth gear at 100 MPH. The acceleration graph looks almost vertical.
I just went upstairs to get my copy of this C&D issue (yes, November, 1965) so I have it here as I write this. The intro verbiage preceding the story says, "Not long ago, the Cobra 427 would have been the hot setup on any race track. Now it's a civilized street machine!".
At the article's beginning, they talk about a record the 427 Cobra set which stood for many years: 0-100-0 in 14.5 seconds. This was accomplished on the standard Goodyear Blue Dot 8.15 x 15 tires and they stated that it was obtainable by any average 427 Cobra driver. They also like the fact that this engine is more "civilized" than the previously used 289's.
And Terry, the intake manifold is most definitely not a high rise unit on this car. The two Holley's are single feed pots, probably either 600 CFM or 660 CFM per. And the price as tested is given as, "$7000 (approx.).
But man, what a machine.
The Car and Driver article I mentioned tested a 427 Cobra with had a solid lifter cam (though a rather mild one since they made specific mention of how docile the car was in LA traffic during hot weather). The engine had two 4-barrel Holley's and there is a picture of the car with others in the background - mostly Shelby 350 Mustangs. I love one of the quotes by a "Ford" guy who says, "it's a big cooking engine". Also they make mention of the fact the car will break traction in fourth gear at 100 MPH. The acceleration graph looks almost vertical.
I just went upstairs to get my copy of this C&D issue (yes, November, 1965) so I have it here as I write this. The intro verbiage preceding the story says, "Not long ago, the Cobra 427 would have been the hot setup on any race track. Now it's a civilized street machine!".
At the article's beginning, they talk about a record the 427 Cobra set which stood for many years: 0-100-0 in 14.5 seconds. This was accomplished on the standard Goodyear Blue Dot 8.15 x 15 tires and they stated that it was obtainable by any average 427 Cobra driver. They also like the fact that this engine is more "civilized" than the previously used 289's.
And Terry, the intake manifold is most definitely not a high rise unit on this car. The two Holley's are single feed pots, probably either 600 CFM or 660 CFM per. And the price as tested is given as, "$7000 (approx.).
But man, what a machine.
A genuine Cobra is not a civilized machine. It's more frightful than enjoyable. Almost pouring yourself into a tiny addition behind the engine and not much else. Most of the replicas have longer wheelbases that the original cars that make them somewhat more comfortable.
Here's some trivia for you:
Without googling, what Japanese firm in the late sixties hired SA (Shelby America) to develop it's car for SCCA C/Production competition.
Terry
07-13-2010, 11:12 AM
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Sounds like the engine used for the test was a standard low-riser FE 427.
A genuine Cobra is not a civilized machine. It's more frightful than enjoyable. Almost pouring yourself into a tiny addition behind the engine and not much else. Most of the replicas have longer wheelbases that the original cars that make them somewhat more comfortable.
Here's some trivia for you:
Without googling, what Japanese firm in the late sixties hired SA (Shelby America) to develop it's car for SCCA C/Production competition.
Terry
A genuine Cobra is not a civilized machine. It's more frightful than enjoyable. Almost pouring yourself into a tiny addition behind the engine and not much else. Most of the replicas have longer wheelbases that the original cars that make them somewhat more comfortable.
Here's some trivia for you:
Without googling, what Japanese firm in the late sixties hired SA (Shelby America) to develop it's car for SCCA C/Production competition.
Terry
It was..................
Toyota. And the car was the 2000GT. The Toyota-Shelby.
(Sorry Colin, not intending to hijack your thread)
Terry
07-13-2010, 11:37 AM
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I just went upstairs to get my copy of this C&D issue (yes, November, 1965) so I have it here as I write this. The intro verbiage preceding the story says, "Not long ago, the Cobra 427 would have been the hot setup on any race track. Now it's a civilized street machine!".
At the article's beginning, they talk about a record the 427 Cobra set which stood for many years: 0-100-0 in 14.5 seconds. This was accomplished on the standard Goodyear Blue Dot 8.15 x 15 tires and they stated that it was obtainable by any average 427 Cobra driver. They also like the fact that this engine is more "civilized" than the previously used 289's.
I just went upstairs to get my copy of this C&D issue (yes, November, 1965) so I have it here as I write this. The intro verbiage preceding the story says, "Not long ago, the Cobra 427 would have been the hot setup on any race track. Now it's a civilized street machine!".
At the article's beginning, they talk about a record the 427 Cobra set which stood for many years: 0-100-0 in 14.5 seconds. This was accomplished on the standard Goodyear Blue Dot 8.15 x 15 tires and they stated that it was obtainable by any average 427 Cobra driver. They also like the fact that this engine is more "civilized" than the previously used 289's.
07-13-2010, 12:19 PM
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This is amazing to me. The Ultima GTR (current production 0-100-0 record holder) does it in 9.4 seconds and it does it with 45 years of improved engine and tire technology (not to mention the contact patch on one of the Ultimas rear tires is probably as big as the contact patch of all 4 tires combined on the Cobra). I wonder what the Cobra could have done with tires as wide and grippy as the Ultima gets.
07-13-2010, 02:19 PM
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Keke Rosberg bought a 427 AC Cobra after he won the world driver championship in 1982. He had similar comments about how uncivilized it was to drive, pretty amazing from someone used to drive F1 cars.
Sounds like the engine used for the test was a standard low-riser FE 427.
A genuine Cobra is not a civilized machine. It's more frightful than enjoyable. Almost pouring yourself into a tiny addition behind the engine and not much else. Most of the replicas have longer wheelbases that the original cars that make them somewhat more comfortable.
Here's some trivia for you:
Without googling, what Japanese firm in the late sixties hired SA (Shelby America) to develop it's car for SCCA C/Production competition.
Terry
A genuine Cobra is not a civilized machine. It's more frightful than enjoyable. Almost pouring yourself into a tiny addition behind the engine and not much else. Most of the replicas have longer wheelbases that the original cars that make them somewhat more comfortable.
Here's some trivia for you:
Without googling, what Japanese firm in the late sixties hired SA (Shelby America) to develop it's car for SCCA C/Production competition.
Terry
07-13-2010, 11:01 PM
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Interestingly, when I was a kid, my dad had the usage of a right hand drive 2000GT from time to time. When he used to take us to school, my brother and I had to take turns being stuffed into the back hatch area...
07-14-2010, 12:28 AM
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07-14-2010, 05:48 AM
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Great video Colin. Thank you
07-14-2010, 08:32 PM
#32
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Others I remember were Alfa Alfetta's, Spiders, and GTV6s, a Masaratti Merek and a Quatroporte. We also got to play with those old 6 wheeled ATVs that were used in the Banana Splits TV show.
07-14-2010, 09:46 PM
#33
Here in Hawaii, Toyota's are distributed by Servco Pacific and not through Toyota Motors USA. My father worked for Servco so he had some fun cars that they also distributed from time to time.
Others I remember were Alfa Alfetta's, Spiders, and GTV6s, a Masaratti Merek and a Quatroporte. We also got to play with those old 6 wheeled ATVs that were used in the Banana Splits TV show.
Others I remember were Alfa Alfetta's, Spiders, and GTV6s, a Masaratti Merek and a Quatroporte. We also got to play with those old 6 wheeled ATVs that were used in the Banana Splits TV show.
Terry
07-14-2010, 09:58 PM
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That must have been very interesting. Total shot in the dark: Although never formally introduced to NA, did your father's company ever distribute the Alfa Romeo Montreal? I've heard of a few in Hawaii. There were a few brought to Canada, and I've been trying to find a suitable example for a little while now. Very beautiful car.
Terry
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07-14-2010, 09:59 PM
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