Originally Posted by Roland_Bluntzs

That's an extremely involved question. Idk if anyone is buying engineering now. But then again...the S2000 wasn't a big seller (when it was in production) either. If someone wanted a sports car for the price range, the 350Z was touted as "the better car". Now they're selling for $cheeseburgers. Because they're dumb. They were always dumb. But they had a big engine, an automatic option, "packages", brembo options, etc.

So...does a manufacturer sell out and make money on a car that everyone will like at the moment? Or build one that has a lasting legacy? S2000's are still relevant today. More relevant than they were in 2009. *Maybe* more relevant than they were in Y2K. Similar to how NSX's are more relevant today than they were in 05.

Honda has been building some very mainstream stuff now. The Accord...err...Civic GTi...err...Si. And their non mainstream stuff is like...the CR-Z.

Its hard to tell with Honda. Everyone thought the magic was gone in 92 with the EG civic. Then they thought the magic was gone when they introduced the DC integra. Then they thought the magic was gone with the K series. Its all been pleasant surprises from 88 thru about 2009. The Si was hanging on to being almost unapologetically being a Civic Si until 2011.

The reason everyone likes "how Hondas used to be" is because it takes a little while (and a drive) to realize just HOW GOOD a Honda is overall. People stray away from Honda because something shiny catches their eye at the moment. Then the sheen wears off and you realize you bought a polished turd that won't replace the feeling your civic/integra/S2000/etc gave you.

Notice how S2000 prices fell through the floor when the BR-Z was introduced? Then prices went WAY back up when those people came running back. And the BR-Z/FR-S were genuinely GOOD cars. But they're not S2000's.

Maybe I'm getting old. I don't want a 25 speed quadruple clutch car with a shitty chassis thats buttered and salted with electronic diffs and horsepower to taste decent enough to stomach. It leaves you with the same feeling as eating a giant plate of chicken parmesan at a chain diner at 11PM.

Though...I don't think I've answered your question because I'm not sure how to answer it lol.

I guess I'm just not sure the magic is coming back this time around. The 9th gen Si still makes me flaccid...and there's nothing at a Honda or Acura dealer that I'd go in to buy today.

Originally Posted by Roland_Bluntzs

Mazda has done an unbelievable job of keeping the Miata relevant for 27 effing years! That's amazing.

But....It never made an impact like the S2000. It does has lasting appeal, though, across any age group. That's a huge feat.

Originally Posted by rockstar143

bro...stop gangsta leanin and put the seat all the way back and sit straight up...

room for your knees!

my *plan* is to keep my S2000 and rare(ish) KBP forever...
but I also planned on keeping the NBP forever
Either way I maintain them as if I will keep them forever.

As far as parts...meh, these aren't rare cars...parts will be around for a long time after we can wrench on them ourselves (don't wanna eat into our bridge club days!)

Originally Posted by thoiboi

It's funny.. when I saw the BRZ/FRS come out a few years back, and then the rumblings of a new Miata/ MX-5, I could've sworn Honda would have seen the market trend and think.. hmmm maybe we should revive the s2k..

Originally Posted by rockstar143

but instead...they got us all sitting around here talking about it...
let it build...let it build...


SKEEETTTT

Originally Posted by TacoBello

Roland, the problem is that eventually it won't make much sense to drive a 25 year old s2k. And then what? I know some will tout they will drive theirs forever, but if I had a dollar for every time someone said they'd drive a car forever, only to eventually sell due to whatever reason, I'd have $158 in my pocket.

As miles go on, eventually these cars will get shittier and shittier. Parts will get harder to find. Engines will start consuming oil. Suspensions will wear out. Oh it's all replaceable, but not everyone is as ambitious as you. Etc, etc. many say they will keep their car mint forever, but again, that rarely happens.

That being said, as long as Honda doesn't "honda-ize" a new generation of s2000, by making it a modern limp dick with battery packs, or other non essential bullshit, it should do alright. The s2000 may not have been a crazy seller when new, but it was very expensive for what it was. And it still turns heads today.

I wonder if Honda would take the original chassis design and tweak it, rather than develop a whole new one. Stretch it here, compact it there, stiffen here, etc, etc. It could save a lot of development costs. It seems current owners are for the most part very happy with their car- there's no need to go in an all new direction, but rather, improve on the few short comings the car had, and of course, refresh the styling a bit, from 1999.

Folding hardtop or soft top, meh, whatever. Both are good for their individual reasons. I prefer the hard top and it doesn't have to add a lot of weight to the car. My miata folding hard top was pretty damn light and moved quick also. But again, a soft top only wouldn't be a deal breaker, so long as I can fit in the car (aka tilting steering wheel!! )

Originally Posted by Roland_Bluntzs

I've always wanted to make a life size macaroni sculpture of myself.

Originally Posted by TacoBello

Roland, the problem is that eventually it won't make much sense to drive a 25 year old s2k.

Originally Posted by TacoBello

Roland, the problem is that eventually it won't make much sense to drive a 25 year old s2k.

Originally Posted by rockstar143

a lecture?
You just made me sad because I figured when my daughter was 2 or 3, she'd be able to go to doughnuts with me.