The Official Honda S2000 Thread
05-10-2016, 12:23 AM
#9241
Turd Polisher
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Wise words from a wise man.
I've debated on dumping my S on a few occasions but I know deep down whatever the replacement is (in a reasonable price range) will not hold a candle to how ridiculously fun it is to drive.
That's why I've decided I will never get rid of it and there's always space for another toy in the garage
I've debated on dumping my S on a few occasions but I know deep down whatever the replacement is (in a reasonable price range) will not hold a candle to how ridiculously fun it is to drive.
That's why I've decided I will never get rid of it and there's always space for another toy in the garage
05-10-2016, 06:36 AM
#9242
Null and proud of it
I've been thinking for a while now...
Who wants an S2K sedan with a fixed top... Like the old Integra sedan... I HATE canvas tops...
Is this bad, did I neuter the S2K?
It's even worse, I'd swap in a AT... I hate bouncing off the limiter...
Who wants an S2K sedan with a fixed top... Like the old Integra sedan... I HATE canvas tops...
Is this bad, did I neuter the S2K?
It's even worse, I'd swap in a AT... I hate bouncing off the limiter...
05-10-2016, 06:42 AM
#9243
That's an extremely involved question. Idk if anyone is buying engineering now. But then again...the S2000 wasn't a big seller (when it was in production) either. If someone wanted a sports car for the price range, the 350Z was touted as "the better car". Now they're selling for $cheeseburgers. Because they're dumb. They were always dumb. But they had a big engine, an automatic option, "packages", brembo options, etc.
So...does a manufacturer sell out and make money on a car that everyone will like at the moment? Or build one that has a lasting legacy? S2000's are still relevant today. More relevant than they were in 2009. *Maybe* more relevant than they were in Y2K. Similar to how NSX's are more relevant today than they were in 05.
Honda has been building some very mainstream stuff now. The Accord...err...Civic GTi...err...Si. And their non mainstream stuff is like...the CR-Z.
Its hard to tell with Honda. Everyone thought the magic was gone in 92 with the EG civic. Then they thought the magic was gone when they introduced the DC integra. Then they thought the magic was gone with the K series. Its all been pleasant surprises from 88 thru about 2009. The Si was hanging on to being almost unapologetically being a Civic Si until 2011.
The reason everyone likes "how Hondas used to be" is because it takes a little while (and a drive) to realize just HOW GOOD a Honda is overall. People stray away from Honda because something shiny catches their eye at the moment. Then the sheen wears off and you realize you bought a polished turd that won't replace the feeling your civic/integra/S2000/etc gave you.
Notice how S2000 prices fell through the floor when the BR-Z was introduced? Then prices went WAY back up when those people came running back. And the BR-Z/FR-S were genuinely GOOD cars. But they're not S2000's.
Maybe I'm getting old. I don't want a 25 speed quadruple clutch car with a shitty chassis thats buttered and salted with electronic diffs and horsepower to taste decent enough to stomach. It leaves you with the same feeling as eating a giant plate of chicken parmesan at a chain diner at 11PM.
Though...I don't think I've answered your question because I'm not sure how to answer it lol.
I guess I'm just not sure the magic is coming back this time around. The 9th gen Si still makes me flaccid...and there's nothing at a Honda or Acura dealer that I'd go in to buy today.
So...does a manufacturer sell out and make money on a car that everyone will like at the moment? Or build one that has a lasting legacy? S2000's are still relevant today. More relevant than they were in 2009. *Maybe* more relevant than they were in Y2K. Similar to how NSX's are more relevant today than they were in 05.
Honda has been building some very mainstream stuff now. The Accord...err...Civic GTi...err...Si. And their non mainstream stuff is like...the CR-Z.
Its hard to tell with Honda. Everyone thought the magic was gone in 92 with the EG civic. Then they thought the magic was gone when they introduced the DC integra. Then they thought the magic was gone with the K series. Its all been pleasant surprises from 88 thru about 2009. The Si was hanging on to being almost unapologetically being a Civic Si until 2011.
The reason everyone likes "how Hondas used to be" is because it takes a little while (and a drive) to realize just HOW GOOD a Honda is overall. People stray away from Honda because something shiny catches their eye at the moment. Then the sheen wears off and you realize you bought a polished turd that won't replace the feeling your civic/integra/S2000/etc gave you.
Notice how S2000 prices fell through the floor when the BR-Z was introduced? Then prices went WAY back up when those people came running back. And the BR-Z/FR-S were genuinely GOOD cars. But they're not S2000's.
Maybe I'm getting old. I don't want a 25 speed quadruple clutch car with a shitty chassis thats buttered and salted with electronic diffs and horsepower to taste decent enough to stomach. It leaves you with the same feeling as eating a giant plate of chicken parmesan at a chain diner at 11PM.
Though...I don't think I've answered your question because I'm not sure how to answer it lol.
I guess I'm just not sure the magic is coming back this time around. The 9th gen Si still makes me flaccid...and there's nothing at a Honda or Acura dealer that I'd go in to buy today.
Funny enough, I get "done" with the car and I enjoy it and then I start seeing other cars I'd like to own and "try out"...but at the end of the day, I already made the mistake once by selling off the Sebring, and I know that gut wrenching feeling every time I'd see an S drive by me on the highway. So, won't fall for it this time around, especially not with increasing values!
05-10-2016, 06:50 AM
#9244
my co-worker stumbled on this...he's like, look...an S2000 is racing the google image van!
GPW, lowered on some BBFake LM wheels, oem spoiler...red interior!
https://www.google.com/maps/@25.8690...7i13312!8i6656
05-10-2016, 06:57 AM
#9245
Null and proud of it
I probably like the styling of the S2K because it's so clean looking...
But it only looks good in a natural color like silver, with the top and windows down, then again, I hate having my hair blowing in my face, I couldn't stand driving the RDX last month with the sunroof open, it's like driving in a tornado...
I'm afraid of manuals because I'd likely hid a corner, make sure I'm not about to kill an animal, and miss shift, hit the limiter and scare myself half to death again, or something down that road...
But really, the S2K is nice looking for an exotic Honda...
Of course, almost everything competitive is butt ugly, like the Z, and that long nose BMW that looks like an S2K....
The S2K is would look so cool with four doors...
But it only looks good in a natural color like silver, with the top and windows down, then again, I hate having my hair blowing in my face, I couldn't stand driving the RDX last month with the sunroof open, it's like driving in a tornado...
I'm afraid of manuals because I'd likely hid a corner, make sure I'm not about to kill an animal, and miss shift, hit the limiter and scare myself half to death again, or something down that road...
But really, the S2K is nice looking for an exotic Honda...
Of course, almost everything competitive is butt ugly, like the Z, and that long nose BMW that looks like an S2K....
The S2K is would look so cool with four doors...
05-10-2016, 07:01 AM
#9246
LMAO...
we aren't biting.
And I agree, if all that would happen if you drove a manual car, the S2000 is definitely not your car.
I disagree though, I don't think the car looks bad in ANY color. I actually wrote off yellow, until I got one...now I love it!
we aren't biting.
And I agree, if all that would happen if you drove a manual car, the S2000 is definitely not your car.
I disagree though, I don't think the car looks bad in ANY color. I actually wrote off yellow, until I got one...now I love it!
05-10-2016, 07:38 AM
#9247
Null and proud of it
The S2K looks great in every color, I saw a yellow one a while back, the yellows really fine on it...
I'm more the Accord type myself...
I like having lower limits and pushing them there...
But the S2K is a true testament to Honda and to Japanese/Asian design...
I'd love to sit in one, must be hard to get out of...
I'd love to see what 9,000 rpm VTEC is like...
240 hp from a F20 engine, wow...
Oh well, I'm too conservative for that...
I just love hearing the old Hs though!!!
I'm more the Accord type myself...
I like having lower limits and pushing them there...
But the S2K is a true testament to Honda and to Japanese/Asian design...
I'd love to sit in one, must be hard to get out of...
I'd love to see what 9,000 rpm VTEC is like...
240 hp from a F20 engine, wow...
Oh well, I'm too conservative for that...
I just love hearing the old Hs though!!!
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05-10-2016, 11:42 AM
#9250
Team Owner
Roland, the problem is that eventually it won't make much sense to drive a 25 year old s2k. And then what? I know some will tout they will drive theirs forever, but if I had a dollar for every time someone said they'd drive a car forever, only to eventually sell due to whatever reason, I'd have $158 in my pocket.
As miles go on, eventually these cars will get shittier and shittier. Parts will get harder to find. Engines will start consuming oil. Suspensions will wear out. Oh it's all replaceable, but not everyone is as ambitious as you. Etc, etc. many say they will keep their car mint forever, but again, that rarely happens.
That being said, as long as Honda doesn't "honda-ize" a new generation of s2000, by making it a modern limp dick with battery packs, or other non essential bullshit, it should do alright. The s2000 may not have been a crazy seller when new, but it was very expensive for what it was. And it still turns heads today.
I wonder if Honda would take the original chassis design and tweak it, rather than develop a whole new one. Stretch it here, compact it there, stiffen here, etc, etc. It could save a lot of development costs. It seems current owners are for the most part very happy with their car- there's no need to go in an all new direction, but rather, improve on the few short comings the car had, and of course, refresh the styling a bit, from 1999.
Folding hardtop or soft top, meh, whatever. Both are good for their individual reasons. I prefer the hard top and it doesn't have to add a lot of weight to the car. My miata folding hard top was pretty damn light and moved quick also. But again, a soft top only wouldn't be a deal breaker, so long as I can fit in the car (aka tilting steering wheel!!)
As miles go on, eventually these cars will get shittier and shittier. Parts will get harder to find. Engines will start consuming oil. Suspensions will wear out. Oh it's all replaceable, but not everyone is as ambitious as you. Etc, etc. many say they will keep their car mint forever, but again, that rarely happens.
That being said, as long as Honda doesn't "honda-ize" a new generation of s2000, by making it a modern limp dick with battery packs, or other non essential bullshit, it should do alright. The s2000 may not have been a crazy seller when new, but it was very expensive for what it was. And it still turns heads today.
I wonder if Honda would take the original chassis design and tweak it, rather than develop a whole new one. Stretch it here, compact it there, stiffen here, etc, etc. It could save a lot of development costs. It seems current owners are for the most part very happy with their car- there's no need to go in an all new direction, but rather, improve on the few short comings the car had, and of course, refresh the styling a bit, from 1999.
Folding hardtop or soft top, meh, whatever. Both are good for their individual reasons. I prefer the hard top and it doesn't have to add a lot of weight to the car. My miata folding hard top was pretty damn light and moved quick also. But again, a soft top only wouldn't be a deal breaker, so long as I can fit in the car (aka tilting steering wheel!!
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05-10-2016, 11:48 AM
#9251
bro...stop gangsta leanin and put the seat all the way back and sit straight up...
room for your knees!
my *plan* is to keep my S2000 and rare(ish) KBP forever...
but I also planned on keeping the NBP forever
Either way I maintain them as if I will keep them forever.
As far as parts...meh, these aren't rare cars...parts will be around for a long time after we can wrench on them ourselves (don't wanna eat into our bridge club days!)
room for your knees!
my *plan* is to keep my S2000 and rare(ish) KBP forever...
but I also planned on keeping the NBP forever
Either way I maintain them as if I will keep them forever.
As far as parts...meh, these aren't rare cars...parts will be around for a long time after we can wrench on them ourselves (don't wanna eat into our bridge club days!)
05-10-2016, 11:53 AM
#9252
Senior Moderator
It's funny.. when I saw the BRZ/FRS come out a few years back, and then the rumblings of a new Miata/ MX-5, I could've sworn Honda would have seen the market trend and think.. hmmm maybe we should revive the s2k..
05-10-2016, 12:02 PM
#9254
Team Owner
bro...stop gangsta leanin and put the seat all the way back and sit straight up...
room for your knees!
my *plan* is to keep my S2000 and rare(ish) KBP forever...
but I also planned on keeping the NBP forever
Either way I maintain them as if I will keep them forever.
As far as parts...meh, these aren't rare cars...parts will be around for a long time after we can wrench on them ourselves (don't wanna eat into our bridge club days!)
room for your knees!
my *plan* is to keep my S2000 and rare(ish) KBP forever...
but I also planned on keeping the NBP forever
Either way I maintain them as if I will keep them forever.
As far as parts...meh, these aren't rare cars...parts will be around for a long time after we can wrench on them ourselves (don't wanna eat into our bridge club days!)
Parts are still readily available now, but will that be the case in 15 years? Back when I considered restoring my '92 Si (glad I didn't!) some stuff was already being discontinued and it was only about 15-16 years old then.
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05-10-2016, 12:06 PM
#9257
Turd Polisher
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Between how many people wreck their S2000s & the CR being discontinued in '09, I won't be worried about discontinued parts for awhile 
05-10-2016, 12:06 PM
#9258
Team Owner
And that's why I'm scared of a few generation being Honda-ized. No one wants a DCT because it shifts faster. No one wants battery packs or electric motors (I did say in the past that I'd be open to it, but fuck that extra weight for nothing), no one wants AWD or even a potential for FWD, no one wants 2 screens on the dash, or 20" rims, or whatever the fuck else. Just build a roadster with some serious soul stirring abilities, like the last one!!
05-10-2016, 12:12 PM
#9260
Team Owner
That car is a failure on all levels. At least for the NA market. Sales numbers speak for themselves.
05-10-2016, 12:40 PM
#9262
Senior Moderator
When the car Was unveiled, they had a working copy at Disneyland (of all places ) Honda is a sponsor so had one on display. I sat in it and thought, hey that's pretty cool! Hybrid blah blah... But then saw the numbers and was severely underwhelmed ...
) Honda is a sponsor so had one on display. I sat in it and thought, hey that's pretty cool! Hybrid blah blah... But then saw the numbers and was severely underwhelmed ...
05-10-2016, 01:52 PM
#9264
Roland, the problem is that eventually it won't make much sense to drive a 25 year old s2k. And then what? I know some will tout they will drive theirs forever, but if I had a dollar for every time someone said they'd drive a car forever, only to eventually sell due to whatever reason, I'd have $158 in my pocket.
As miles go on, eventually these cars will get shittier and shittier. Parts will get harder to find. Engines will start consuming oil. Suspensions will wear out. Oh it's all replaceable, but not everyone is as ambitious as you. Etc, etc. many say they will keep their car mint forever, but again, that rarely happens.
That being said, as long as Honda doesn't "honda-ize" a new generation of s2000, by making it a modern limp dick with battery packs, or other non essential bullshit, it should do alright. The s2000 may not have been a crazy seller when new, but it was very expensive for what it was. And it still turns heads today.
I wonder if Honda would take the original chassis design and tweak it, rather than develop a whole new one. Stretch it here, compact it there, stiffen here, etc, etc. It could save a lot of development costs. It seems current owners are for the most part very happy with their car- there's no need to go in an all new direction, but rather, improve on the few short comings the car had, and of course, refresh the styling a bit, from 1999.
Folding hardtop or soft top, meh, whatever. Both are good for their individual reasons. I prefer the hard top and it doesn't have to add a lot of weight to the car. My miata folding hard top was pretty damn light and moved quick also. But again, a soft top only wouldn't be a deal breaker, so long as I can fit in the car (aka tilting steering wheel!!)
As miles go on, eventually these cars will get shittier and shittier. Parts will get harder to find. Engines will start consuming oil. Suspensions will wear out. Oh it's all replaceable, but not everyone is as ambitious as you. Etc, etc. many say they will keep their car mint forever, but again, that rarely happens.
That being said, as long as Honda doesn't "honda-ize" a new generation of s2000, by making it a modern limp dick with battery packs, or other non essential bullshit, it should do alright. The s2000 may not have been a crazy seller when new, but it was very expensive for what it was. And it still turns heads today.
I wonder if Honda would take the original chassis design and tweak it, rather than develop a whole new one. Stretch it here, compact it there, stiffen here, etc, etc. It could save a lot of development costs. It seems current owners are for the most part very happy with their car- there's no need to go in an all new direction, but rather, improve on the few short comings the car had, and of course, refresh the styling a bit, from 1999.
Folding hardtop or soft top, meh, whatever. Both are good for their individual reasons. I prefer the hard top and it doesn't have to add a lot of weight to the car. My miata folding hard top was pretty damn light and moved quick also. But again, a soft top only wouldn't be a deal breaker, so long as I can fit in the car (aka tilting steering wheel!!
)Lol...all good things come to an end. I'm enjoying my S2000 as much as I can until it is no longer viable to do so. Maybe one day it will become "retired" because it is too expensive for me to drive. But...I was kinda banking on becoming a Russian billionaire.
Who knows. Maybe I'll retrofit it like doc brown did to the DeLorean and keep driving it long into the future.
Eventually, I will have to concede to buying a new car. It'll probably drive itself. So I'll have to take up a new hobby. I've always wanted to make a life size macaroni sculpture of myself. Said sculpture would feature me throwing lighting bolts with the townspeople cowering below me. The caption will read "I'm so much better than you". It'll sit in my front yard. I can make that while my car drives me to work.
The future is looking up for Roland!
05-10-2016, 08:55 PM
#9266
Turd Polisher
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Tunnel, parking structure, overpass - it don't matter.
Revs go up!
05-11-2016, 09:19 AM
#9270
Team Owner
Fusilli Jerry!
05-11-2016, 10:36 AM
#9272
I may be fat but I'm slow
I can't promise I will keep it "forever", but I plan on always having a topless 2-seater, and I can't see a time in the next ~15 years where I will be willing and able to spend the LOTS more money to get something better. Maybe when my 4y/o is done with college I'll be able to buy a Boxster or something, but that's a long way off.
The real "problem" with the S2000 is that it's just so much danged fun for the money, it's really hard to upgrade to something else without getting into another world $-wise. What's the next best car? 987S? C6 or C7 Corvette? You're looking at probably $30k for a decent example on the low end, that's probably 2.5x what my S is worth.
05-11-2016, 10:46 AM
#9273
Never thought I'd hear my wife utter the words...
but she did say "this car is so fun, you can never get rid of it again" on Saturday.
Amazing what driving chill and at night to our date nights does for perception!
but she did say "this car is so fun, you can never get rid of it again" on Saturday.
Amazing what driving chill and at night to our date nights does for perception!
05-11-2016, 10:49 AM
#9274
Ex-OEM King
Also, Honda can't tweak the current car and toss it back on sale. It would be a ground up redesign just because of the new crash test and safety standards/requirements. It's not that easy to adapt a 15 year old design for a modern car, it would probably be more expensive to do that than build a new car.
05-11-2016, 10:55 AM
#9275
I may be fat but I'm slow
Besides, if I ever sold the car, I know someone who'd be real pissed at me*
*she only rode 200 yards home on my 20mph surface street, spare me the lecture.
*she only rode 200 yards home on my 20mph surface street, spare me the lecture.
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05-11-2016, 11:02 AM
#9276
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I think the best idea is to keep the S2000 (lightweight, affordable, appreciating fun) - and add more cars to it eventually to satisfy any other car needs (torque, technology, etc....)
It helps to have collector car insurance to offset other collector cars you might add
It helps to have collector car insurance to offset other collector cars you might add
05-11-2016, 11:36 AM
#9278
I may be fat but I'm slow
05-11-2016, 12:54 PM
#9280
Turd Polisher
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Looks like the OEM King and I will be meeting up tomorrow for some S2k lulz.
I will convert him, promise
I will convert him, promise