bigman

Top End is done, just waiting for my arp head bolts, TSP Cam, ported ls6 oil pump, adjustable timing set, pulley, with all the gaskets and crap. Next step is True Duals(on the way), suspension(half way there), 12 Bolt rear end, and last but not least, 427 iron block with 200 shot of giggle juice.

Sly Raskal

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holy crap those are a lotta mods.

what #'s is your car running before you add these mods? and do you have a target that you are attempting to achieve?

F23A4

Sweet!!

Crazy Bimmer

damn son

bigman

My Current setup is:
-Stock 347
-Patriot heads stage 1, they have stock valve sizes, but are ported and polised.
-TSP 228r cam, it has 228 degrees on the intake/exhaust and .588 lift.
-LS6 manifold
-Pacesetter Longtube Headers
-TSP 3 inch cat back w/borla xr-1 muffler
-Tranzaman dual cone cold air induction
-1LE Springs
-bilstein shocks
-1LE sways
-BMR subframe connectors
-BMR lower control arms
-BMR adjustable panhard bar
-ET Street Drag Radials
-Fuddle 3800 2.1str Stall Converter

I might be missing a few things, but with that setup(wich is still new) the car made 431 at the wheels with 419tq. And i had a lot of that power throughout the power band. I never got to take the car to the track with this new setup. But i love it. It is a trans am non ws6 so people think its slow. Its got the stock 16's, no tints and a nice rumble, but when i get on it and pull the front of that bitch up hard, the guy in the C6 next to me backs the hell up.

The reason i'm switching is because my friend is buying my long block as is for a good price, and i got an amazing deal on the new block. My new short block is an iron LQ9 409ci truck block, with TSP 427 stroker kit containing forged internals and mogul bearings along with arp mains and a custom cam grind(very high lift). My top end is coming together, and hopefully i will be getting a fast 90 manifold, if not, i will be going with the LS6/7 manifold, just waiting for test results. My goal is to make Forced induction like power, while keeping it all motor, then be able to surpass those numbers with some nitrous. I'm being told that i can make anywhere between 600-700 wheel horses. I'm leaning toward lower 600s. Maybe even upper 500's. And easily about 800+ on the juice. Torque-wise i'm looking at 600+ off the juice. My main goal is to not make peak numbers, but to make power throughout the band. I'm also going to be bringing this motor to 7000rpms.

mattg

oh snap!

BEETROOT

Can't really be all that fast if it doesn't have vtec.





Sick toys. Got a pic of the car?

stangg172004

ahh, american muscle....

Water-S

you need to run against a new Mustang Shelby GT500 that would be a good race.

bigman

as it is, I would probably take one in a quarter mile race. when I put all the new stuff on the car, I will be running 10's at the track, and with juice, I will probably hit low to mid 9's.

G

The new GT500 is a PIG! A regular C6 blows it out of the water.
The idea was great, but the execution sucked.

BEETROOT

My buddy rented a Shelby GT500 a couple weeks ago in LA when we were up there. I didn't get to ride in it...but he said it was fun but nothing spectacular.

bigman

Water-S

have you thought about a WS6 hood. those hoods are so sexy.

bigman

Oh yeah, but the good hoods are 700 and up, plus like 300 for paint. I rather put thae grand into some go fast goodies.

Crazy Bimmer

So do i dare to ask?

How much $$ have you put into her so far

F23A4

I think you just caught Dom Toretto's attention.

bigman

I use my buddy's shop and do the work with friends. With all the parts i have including the new stuff. Under 6 grand. With my current block already sold to my friend, i will be in under 5 grand. I would have been in the 7 grand range but, i made a website for the shop that built the short block and covered some of the cost. All in all, when the car is done, it would have costed me 16 grand with all the mods including the price of the car. 10 second car for 16 grand? Not bad.

CLpower

he'd kill it w/ the setup before this stuff




great setup bro!

CLpower

how did he rent a GT500? You sure he didn't rent the Hertz Ford GT350H?

DownUnder

Blows it out of the water? C6 maybe a little better handling but acceleration they're about equal.

bigman

In a straight line, it's a drivers race, but i think the vette with the new 6 speed auto would kill the gt500 in a straight line, its way more consistant than the manual for the 1/4. And look at it this way, the GT500 is a pig, it makes roughly 100 more horses and tq, yet is even with a less powerful naturally aspirated car. Granted the vette is lighter by a few hundred pounds, but c'mon.

CLpower

you seen any tests w/ a GT500 running mid 12's? Or 12's at all? Just curious, cause I haven't yet and have been very dissapointed w/ the times i've read. ANyone know what the rear on the GT500 is?

CLpower

hell, the GTO times are better then the GT500 times i've seen even on the net. They way the same but the GTO is down 100 HP and a good amount of tq. Hopefully someone will figure out what's goin on.

bigman

LS2 has such a nice powerband, it's not as peaky as the gt500. People always forget about power under the curve.

teranfon

I was wondering the same. The GT500 isn't even in the dealerships yet.


Very nice car Bigman. Very impressive.


I certainly don't consider any magazine to be truly representative, but here are the results between the GT500, GTO, and Charger SRT8 as tested, compared, and recorded by MotorTrend:


0-60
GT500 4.5 secs
GTO 4.7 secs
SRT8 5.0 secs

quarter mile
GT500 12.7@116
GTO 13.3@105.9
SRT8 13.6@106.3

Look at the GT500's trap speed. Its a good indication that its absolutely FLYING at the end.

0-100
GT500 9.6secs
GTO 11.7secs
SRT8 11.9secs


slalom
GT500 69.7
GTO 62.4
SRT8 65.2


Again, any magazine article isn't necessarily correct, or even unbiased, but these seem to be impressive times. It seems the major complaint that most articles featuring the GT500 is the complete loss of traction in first and second gear. I'd love to see what it can do with a set of slicks.

Regardless, I'm sure Bigman's car will be much quicker.

Terry

bigman

Slap some drag radials on the gt500 and it will decrease 1/4 times just like all the other cars. The Gt500 in more capable hands will be a few 10ths quicker than what we are seeing the the rags.

Water-S

bull a GTO will be eaten by a GT500. don't get me wrong the LS2 a hell of a motor.
if you lined up a Stock GTO vs a stock Shelby GT500 unless the driver sucked in the GT500 the GT500 would win every time. it's a good 1/2 second faster through the 1/4 mile.

bigman

Its got much more power thats why. That 5.4 litre isnt shit without that blower. Slap a blower on the GTO and watch the cobra get shitted on by the goat.

DownUnder

You can slap on a blower on a GTO but there is only so much the stock internals can handle before it goes BOOM. I predict there's going be plenty of 900+ WHP GT500's out there running on stock internals.

teranfon

Sounds like they built it with some good stuff. Heads off the Ford GT and parts such as the crank, connecting rods, and pistons are all forged components.

Terry

CLpower

It's not though, there were a group of 3 GT500's out at our 1/8th mile last week and their times were slower then the ones the GTO's put up. ANd the real world 1/4 mile times i've read on the net in the GT500 aren't any better.


And FYI, the GT500's are on lots and on the road.


THE GT500 should be a low 12 second high 11 second car. It's a shame that's not the case. We'll see as more of these cars get into drivers hands. I'd love to see them turning high 11's. Their trap speeds indicate it should get there. I heard the best the ford mags were able to get out of it were mid 12's at around 117

CLpower

I predict we won't ever see 900+ WHP GT500's on a stock block. That said, the LS2 has zero problem having a blower added to it as long as everything is setup properly and you don't go stupid w/ boost. There are more then a few guys w/ close to 600whp on stock blocks w/ zero problems. Just got take a look on any of the vette forums.


I still crack up by all the reviews i've read about the GT500 saying it handles like complete ass and that the stock Stang GT feels better. Good job again Ford. Should have built the terminator

Maximized

No they aren't. Maybe Manufacturer cars.

GT500>GTO

CLpower

I agree, GT500 > GTO, esp. if you add some handling pieces. Ford must be dumping cars out here then, I saw my first mfg car 3-4 months ago in green but have now seen 3 GT500's one w/ regular plates and 2 w/ no plates at all in the last 2 weeks. But it'd make sense as they have offices here and i'm constantly seeing their cars before others.


I'd still take a blown Saleen over the GT500 any day though.

Maximized

You would think that the first cars would be near Flatrock(Detroit). I'd still venture that those cars are manufacturer cars, since Job 1 was like a week ago.

A stock GT500 will outhandle a GTO btw. The GTO will feel more stable at the limit due to the IRS rear.

Maximized

Oh and back on topic: That setup with the estimated RWHP will have you knocking on 11s. My friend Jon used to put down similar power to the rears on nitrous.

CLpower

Of course a GT500 will out handle a GTO, it's got a lot more tire

The HSV monaro and GT500 handling stats are identical w/ that said. Pontiac royally fucked up when bringing the car over


If they were MFG cars, i'm sure i'll see them at CC or the Donut shop this weekend, i'll make sure to show up.

CLpower

what are the estimated RWHP #'s? Your friend jon was also probably lighter

Maximized

"I'm being told that i can make anywhere between 600-700 wheel horses. I'm leaning toward lower 600s. Maybe even upper 500's. And easily about 800+ on the juice. Torque-wise i'm looking at 600+ off the juice"

My friend Jon's 98' WS6 put down 420ish to the rears N/A and he had a 200 shot on top of that. So BigMan has the potential of running a bit more power, but hooking it up is the problem. My buddy pulled a best 60' of 1.5X on Hoosier Quicktimes.