New S4 vs M3
12-20-2002 | 08:39 PM
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Audi has long been playing catch-up to the M3. And its latest assault on BMW's greatest sporting saloon is the 344bhp V8-powered quattro S4
Audi S4
Muscular all-round sports-saloon, but with less thrilling responses.
BMW M3
Still the guv'nor: a purer sporting drive but less secure than S4.
The M3 wins. The audi is better in the wet (more stable / more traction). But it's Steering, Audi's usual failing, that lets the car down.
Audi S4
Muscular all-round sports-saloon, but with less thrilling responses.
BMW M3
Still the guv'nor: a purer sporting drive but less secure than S4.
The M3 wins. The audi is better in the wet (more stable / more traction). But it's Steering, Audi's usual failing, that lets the car down.
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12-20-2002 | 08:41 PM
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12-20-2002 | 09:04 PM
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I hate to say this but the new s4 is a dissapointment...it doesn't have the modability aspect the last s4 had and its a heavy ride...also 0-60 in 5.4 is quick, but i'm pretty sure we can get a cls-6speed to do that w/all the bolt ons i.e. headers/intake/exhaust/pullies
I was expecting audi to knock our socks off, but they haven't
I was expecting audi to knock our socks off, but they haven't
12-20-2002 | 09:17 PM
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From a mag source:
The twin-turbo 4.2-litre V8 engine that powers the RS6 features five valves per cylinder, hydraulic adjustment of intake cam timing, and two-stage intake manifolds. Two pressure-loss-optimised intercoolers also help in the quest for massive power. A headline-grabbing 450PS (444bhp) is developed all the way from 5700-6400rpm and the peak torque output of 413lb ft stretches from 1950rpm to 5600rpm.
The twin-turbo 4.2-litre V8 engine that powers the RS6 features five valves per cylinder, hydraulic adjustment of intake cam timing, and two-stage intake manifolds. Two pressure-loss-optimised intercoolers also help in the quest for massive power. A headline-grabbing 450PS (444bhp) is developed all the way from 5700-6400rpm and the peak torque output of 413lb ft stretches from 1950rpm to 5600rpm.
12-20-2002 | 09:26 PM
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Actually, the above comparo will be irrelevant in about a year. As you can see the M3 is a 2door coupe and the A4 a 4 door sedan.
There will be an A4 coupe and in its S4 version it will make 371HP from this same engine. I am sure it wil be enough to beat the M3 in the straight line cos it will probably be lighter than this 4 door S4.
There will be an A4 coupe and in its S4 version it will make 371HP from this same engine. I am sure it wil be enough to beat the M3 in the straight line cos it will probably be lighter than this 4 door S4.
12-20-2002 | 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
.Also, is there any truth to the rumors of an M3 sedan making a comeback?
.Also, is there any truth to the rumors of an M3 sedan making a comeback?
An S4 coupe would be sick.....
12-21-2002 | 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by gavriil
Audi will knock our socks off with the upcoming RS4. Watch out there. That one will be in the mid if not low 4s for the 0-60.
Audi will knock our socks off with the upcoming RS4. Watch out there. That one will be in the mid if not low 4s for the 0-60.
12-21-2002 | 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by torqueaholic
I saw a comparo between the RS6, and the M5! it was done by automotor and sport tv(euro car show), and the RS6, raped the M5 in the 1/4, and arround the cones! You can thank awd+ gobs of torque for that!
I saw a comparo between the RS6, and the M5! it was done by automotor and sport tv(euro car show), and the RS6, raped the M5 in the 1/4, and arround the cones! You can thank awd+ gobs of torque for that!
12-21-2002 | 10:16 AM
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hmm anyone remeber the video of the RS6,m5 and E55 AMG ?
I belive for 1/4 mile it was E55, m5 then RS6.
I'm waiting for the next S4 or RS4. If i DO get the S4 then i'll just get the aftermarket bi-turbo that's avail on the RS6.
I belive for 1/4 mile it was E55, m5 then RS6.
I'm waiting for the next S4 or RS4. If i DO get the S4 then i'll just get the aftermarket bi-turbo that's avail on the RS6.
12-23-2002 | 02:43 PM
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By the way, I now hear that the RS4 will possibly get a 3 liter biturbo engine. The 3 liter engine from the A4/A6 only aggressivelly turbocharged to make at least 380HP.
12-23-2002 | 06:27 PM
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One of the reasons that I prefer the M3:
The S4 will never be able to do this:
http://www.macio.org/Varano/Video/Max%20087.mpg
http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...=823063&page=1
The S4 will never be able to do this:
http://www.macio.org/Varano/Video/Max%20087.mpg
http://forums.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...=823063&page=1
12-23-2002 | 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by NOVAwhiteTypeS
hmm anyone remeber the video of the RS6,m5 and E55 AMG ?
I belive for 1/4 mile it was E55, m5 then RS6.
I'm waiting for the next S4 or RS4. If i DO get the S4 then i'll just get the aftermarket bi-turbo that's avail on the RS6.
hmm anyone remeber the video of the RS6,m5 and E55 AMG ?
I belive for 1/4 mile it was E55, m5 then RS6.
I'm waiting for the next S4 or RS4. If i DO get the S4 then i'll just get the aftermarket bi-turbo that's avail on the RS6.
12-24-2002 | 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by bkknight369
hmm...i think the video was the m5, rs6, and the special edition 5-series
hmm...i think the video was the m5, rs6, and the special edition 5-series
yes i remember that one but there was another one , the one u mentioned wasn't on a track , it was a m5, alpina 540, and rs6. the one i'm talking about was RS6,m5, E55
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...ghlight=m5+rs6