Pseudomaniac

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Pricing announced for the forthcoming ILX (Civic) today starts at $27,000. Figure with options that's more like $30,000 and change.

Who is going to pay $30,000 for a fancy interior Civic?

Contrast this with that same $30k if not less, on a 4G TL - AWD Tech car, CPO?

For performance, it's not an Evo, or Mazdaspeed-3, or WRX, or STI - nowhere near that league.

For comfort, it's not Accord sized, or V6 powered.

Is Honda that out of touch? What am I not seeing here?

fsttyms1

Because some want a smaller easier to get around in vehicle and not everyone is interested in power, but still want to have the luxury association with the Acura brand?

Pseudomaniac

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Isn't that kind of the definition of a TSX ?

justnspace

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Doomed, I tell ya. DOOMED

juniorbean

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honda_nut

I'd rather have a loaded Accord. Acura doesn't have the prestige yet as other luxury brands to be selling something like the ILX for that high of a price. Maybe once they are more popular, yes, but right now, no. A loaded Accord is more upscale and prestigous.

nj2pa2nc

Will wait until it gets to the showrooms to make an opinion. I do know I want 6mt , 4 doors and can fit in our garage. It has to share space with a freezer and shelves.

justnspace

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so, you're interested in this?
gotta be in that RED color!

teranfon

I think if that was everyone's way of thinking, then why by a Civic? Why not buy a nice Kia or Focus instead? Or the other choices available by other manufacturers? Especially now since many feel the latest Civic has gone in a direction of comfort and usability rather than driver enjoyment. Honda will always have a particular clientele that will always embrace it's products.

I agree with Kris that the ILX are for those that have a history with Honda and now want to try an level entry luxury nameplate. Something smaller and more suited to an urban lifestyle. And economical. I think the TSX won't hurt it's sales too much as the TSX is actually a very nicely balanced car with very good handling. It probably appeals to those that are more performance orientated than those that want the entry level luxury that the ILX offers.

Nabooly

Hmm...I bought my New 09 tsx for 27,500 (before tax n title). Seems a little steep for a "mini" tsx. :/

F23A4

The Canucks have been doing it for years in the form of the Acura EL and CSX.

Anyway, there's an active discussion on the ILX in the Automotive New forum.

dom

Absolutely. And sadly, I think its pretty obvious that Honda is now banking on those customers and its reputation.

teranfon

I've been hearing that a lot lately. My '05 Accord 6MT was my first ever Honda car, and I really enjoy it. I think, however, there is definitely an element of truth in what you say. I think they're still a marvelous company, but there seems to be an almost sense of complacency lately. Whether this is justified or not I don't know, but I have definitely heard of others speak of it.

nj2pa2nc

I personally was very disappointed in the 05 civic ex-se I owned. Very poorly made with lots of annoying problems. Traded it at 36k miles for my tsx.

mrmako

Personally, even though a small car in the garage is what I would want, this just doesn't cut it. Similar to the very expensive VW Golf called the Audi A3. It has nice styling cues, but its still a VW.

Sorry Acura, I don't get it.

F23A4

Now, now. Let's give the ILX a chance. Who knows. Maybe Acura will do so well with the ILX that we'll see Lexus Corollas and Infiniti Sentras soon after.

neuronbob

Meh.

ThermonMermon

the civic is actually vastly larger than the lexus is. however, the lexus is does not share the same platform as the corolla, so i guess the theory is apples to oranges.

honda_nut

Can i get a Lexus Yaris?

CAgine

Definitely...if i could only choose between the two. Accords have gone down the drain too, awkward design inside out, bland driving, numb steering, slow. Last gen accords were so much better imo.

CAgine

hahahhahaha

Aman

Not really, the CSX has been selling like square wheels lately.

Honestly, I don't see what all the complaining's about. In my opinion, the ILX is to the Civic exactly what the TL is to the Accord. Completely different bodywork, nice interior, slightly different powertrains... but a very similar chassis.

I worked in the Acura booth for a few days at the auto show, and grew to like the ILX. It looks pretty good, and the 6MT reminds me of the 1G TSX in size and power. When the 2G TSX came out, everyone lamented the increase in size and weight. Now that this has come back in a similar size and power, everyone's complaining because it's based on a Civic? From what I've heard, the Civic is a plenty competent platform on its own.

Just my

AZuser

So instead of going back and making it into what an awesome car the 1G TSX was, they downgraded it to... this? Makes no sense to me.

Maybe the way it drives and handles will be its saving grace

Costco

Comparing new to used is apples and oranges.

The ILX is no less a fancy Civic than your TL is a fancy Accord. Not to mention nobody has even driven an ILX yet to make a valid comparison.

Just because something doesn't quite fit with your tastes doesn't mean it won't find it's own consumer base.

F23A4

It's simple (at least for those of us who were huge Acura fans during its heyday some ten years ago): we want to see Acura re-establish itself as a bonafide luxury brand. While the 2015 NSX is a "start", a flagship sedan furthers that "mission" better than a nicely refashioned Honda Civic.

But who knows, maybe Acura's new "smart luxury" will catch on in much the way the ugly is pretty concept caught on with those two hot ticket items the Element and Crosstour.

dallison

Overpriced and many other better choices for the money.

esco115

For the ones that don't know but the ILX is the replacement of the TSX as it will be phased out... I'm thinking honda is trying to bring back the "integra" phase where it was 4dr as well as a 2dr... So I wouldn't doubt an Si badged as an Acura ILX Type S soon?

juniorbean

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^ While nothing official has been announced... this is my thinking as well. The TSX is moving too close to the TL... so I think it's on its way out. So basically the ILX will be the new "entry level" offering for Acura, to get people into the brand. Who knows... I guess only time will tell what they're thinking b/c we all know they haven't been thinking much for the last 7-10 years or so...

vas25tl

I read in Automotive News that when Honda asked their engineers which Honda they'd buy, they heard crickets in the room so they hired a few quality control guys so things like the 2012 Civic would never happen again.

But back on topic, I think it's priced too high. If they kill the TSX, it makes sense, gives them something with a little more differentiation from the TL. It'll be interesting to see the new RL redesign, maybe they will get back on track to:
ILX: entry level
TL: mid size
RL: BIG lux

dom

On the surface, that's my only concern with this car. The tech is has and more can now be found in most other cars of the size for less money. We'll see how this plays out, I think it will do fine up in Canadia but might be a tough sell in the US. Tough to call.

Legend2TL

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...120309953/1427

This article?

Hopefully Honda will find their way again, Honda's main problem now is the styling is too boring and their previous powertrain lead has eroded and they are now in with the others.

I agree that Honda probably wants to spread out the product line for the sedans.

vas25tl

That's the one!

Honda's problem is that everyone else had caught on and started making good cars, they need to become the innovator again.

ThermonMermon

hate all you want, but if acura doesnt slide the scale in size across their lineup, then you may not see any acuras at all.

Aman

What made the 1G TSX better than the ILX from what we know? The only thing that most people seem to be complaining about is the fact that it's based on a Civic, which (if magazine editors are to be believed) is still a competent platform.

But hasn't Acura always been heavily reworking Hondas? I'm not an Acura expert, but I think they've only had a few cars on dedicated platforms since they started in the '80s.

If the rumours are to be believed, and the ILX replaces the TSX, that means the TL won't be going full-size, leaving space for a new RL for and a full sedan lineup and Acura's "re-establishment" will be complete.

If it's a worry about Acura going back to what it was, then the ILX will never be accepted by the Acura community, no matter how good it is.

phile

1st gen TSX had HIDs & leather standard for about the same price as the base ILX, ~27K.

We don't know much about the ILX, but the above are facts about the 1st gen TSX that we know the base ILX won't have.

1st gen TSX was also very competent - named to C&D's 10Best list. in some ways, it drives better than the 2nd gen TSX, which most reviews peg as being a softer TSX now.

RaviNJCLs

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I think it will follow the RSX. You will have a certain part of the car buying population flock to them and eventually that group will become smaller and smaller until it eventually gets shelved.

neuronbob

Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read.

This often happens to companies who are led by a singular personality, after that personality dies.

Soichiro Honda. Honda needs you again!

Mr. Honda is surely rolling in his grave at the current state of affairs.

Moog-Type-S

@ peeps trying to make sense of Honda's marketing strategy (or lack thereof)

AZuser

Honda can't even make sense of Honda

Ken1997TL

1986 called and they want their misguided rant back...

OMG, who is going to want this new-fangled Integra?! You're better off getting an Accord!