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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:04 AM
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Need some convincing help!

So I want to get my motorcycle's license, and well being financially supported by my parents I need their money to help me do that. My dad is kinda fine with me getting my motorcycle license, but my mom won't budge. She basically thinks I'm gonna die if I ride a motorcycle.

I'm trying to convince her, but I haven't gotten anywhere. I'm telling her that I'm not going to be buying a motorcycle in probably quite a while but she still won't let me take the classes.

I'm sure someone here has to have convinced their parents to let them get their motorcycle's license right?

If soo is there anything that can help me convince my mom??
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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I say wait a while before you go down this road.... In WA, one can take the Safety Foundation class for cheap and at the end of the course, get your endorsement. They are just too dang dangerous in the hands of someone lacking experience. If and when you do get a bike, please try to find an experienced rider to take you under his wing. Great way to learn.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Eggplant-EX
I say wait a while before you go down this road.... In WA, one can take the Safety Foundation class for cheap and at the end of the course, get your endorsement. They are just too dang dangerous in the hands of someone lacking experience. If and when you do get a bike, please try to find an experienced rider to take you under his wing. Great way to learn.
Ohh I'm not just planning to go out and ride a motorcycle! Lol even I'm scared to do that. I wanna take a basic riding course, which is 15 hour course, 5 hour classroom and 10 hour behind the wheel. I do not really plan on getting a bike till later in my 20's assuming I'm financially capable of buying one. And I'm not gonna go out riding everywhere, I'll learn when there's not to much traffic out, and probably take some advance courses.

I'm not buying a motorcycle to go from point A to point B. Its just gonna be an expensive toy for me

So I doubt I will be putting so many miles on it.

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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:47 AM
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So I want to get my motorcycle's license, and well being financially supported by my parents I need their money to help me do that. My dad is kinda fine with me getting my motorcycle license, but my mom won't budge. She basically thinks I'm gonna die if I ride a motorcycle.

I'm trying to convince her, but I haven't gotten anywhere. I'm telling her that I'm not going to be buying a motorcycle in probably quite a while but she still won't let me take the classes.

I'm sure someone here has to have convinced their parents to let them get their motorcycle's license right?

If soo is there anything that can help me convince my mom??
As basically a lifelong rider, I can sympathize with your desire to get a motorcycle license and eventually a bike. Unfortunately for you, and you probably won't like this, it's unfair for you to try to convince your mother to let you do this if she's uncomfortable with it. You mention that you're still rely on financial support from your parents, and unfortunately you have to abide by their wishes until you can support yourself.

My advice to you is to make your parents aware of your desire to obtain a motorcycle license and eventually a bike, slowly letting them become more comfortable with the idea. When you can afford to pursue this idea on your own, they will probably be more receptive to the idea.

Good luck.



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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:49 AM
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Start here...

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/motorcycle-classes-717060/

BTW, I took classes at Mt SAC.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by teranfon

My advice to you is to make your parents aware of your desire to obtain a motorcycle license and eventually a bike, slowly letting them become more comfortable with the idea. When you can afford to pursue this idea on your own, they will probably be more receptive to the idea.

Good luck.



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Yea I know I'll probably end up waiting till I can get it myself. But even then I'm never gonna hear the end of it from my mom. She told me as long as she lives, I'm not allowed to get a motorcycle

We shall see what happens though. I just have the urge to start riding this summer!!
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:03 AM
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Yea I know I'll probably end up waiting till I can get it myself. But even then I'm never gonna hear the end of it from my mom. She told me as long as she lives, I'm not allowed to get a motorcycle

We shall see what happens though. I just have the urge to start riding this summer!!
That's why I suggest slowly getting her used to your desire to start riding. If she sees that you're sincere and committed to getting a bike, she most likely will become less uncomfortable with the idea. Especially if you work and pay for it yourself.

My mother received a call from a friend late one night after I had wrecked ( I actually had to be revived on scene) and I can tell you it was not a pleasant experience for her. Keep your mom informed, work towards your goal with a level of maturity and conviction, and she might become more receptive to the idea. It sounds as if this is something that you want, and I truly hope you get to enjoy the experience, but do it in a manner that won't alienate those who care for you.


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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:12 AM
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That's why I suggest slowly getting her used to your desire to start riding. If she sees that you're sincere and committed to getting a bike, she most likely will become less uncomfortable with the idea. Especially if you work and pay for it yourself.

My mother received a call from a friend late one night after I had wrecked ( I actually had to be revived on scene) and I can tell you it was not a pleasant experience for her. Keep your mom informed, work towards your goal with a level of maturity and conviction, and she might become more receptive to the idea. It sounds as if this is something that you want, and I truly hope you get to enjoy the experience, but do it in a manner that won't alienate those who care for you.


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I see, good advice there terry

I just need to get over this phase I'm in right now and come back to it later in life.

Hopefully I get my internship I applied for, make some money and once I'm out of college and start my career I shall move onto autocrossing and track days , then eventually get a bike and learn to ride on that.

Soo much to do in life!

I also wanna try rallyx, that sounds really fun.

Man do I need to make sure I have money in the future, or else most of this aint gonna happen

edit: I've always been a car person, but everything I want to do requires a lot of money and I dont wanna put my tl through any of that (stupid transmission)
and I've had the urge to learn how to ride a motorcycle for a while now. And seeing how I can start learning for $150 is not that bad. I'm just tired about reading and looking at cars, I'm one who just loves to drive and want gain a lot of experience in driving. Mainly in a racing manner (on road courses of course)

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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 05:34 AM
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I see no reason to have them pay for it.....and force your mother to accept something shes obviously against, when you have zero plans to ride anytime in the near future after you get the license. Wait until you are financially ready to buy a bike, then take the class.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 05:59 AM
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 06:40 AM
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I'm 39 and have been riding a motorcycle over a year. I haven't told my mom I own one and don't have any plans to tell her.

Riding a motorcycle is a chosen risk. By taking the MSF courses you are mitigating that risk through knowledge. Gearing up reduces that risk further. Getting started on a bike that's not overpowered for your skill level reduces it again. You get the point.

You'll never get the risk to zero, but you can get it pretty low. You can die just as easily in a car from the uncontrollable variables. On a bike, you have the responsiveness and power to avoid accidents moreso than a car.

Good luck in your plans.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 07:39 AM
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Go here: http://www.msf-usa.org/

Save YOUR OWN money and take the beginners course, they provide the bike, helmets, courses, and class room training... its the best thing for anyone who hasn't ridden and would like to learn.

Plus in SoCal "upon successful completion of the Basic RiderCourse students will receive a DMV DL389 certificate that may waive the riding skills test requirement at the DMV. If you haven't completed the written DMV test you must pass it prior to receiving your license endorsement."

As far as your parents, my mom hated the idea and my dad (who is a rider) was all for it.

By saving your own money, taking the class, and being serious about the situation it shows responsibility, which is all most parents want to see in a 19year old, and will surely help sway moms opinion.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 07:44 AM
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I'm 39 and have been riding a motorcycle over a year. I haven't told my mom I own one and don't have any plans to tell her.
Sorry, but am I reading this right?

You are 39 and you DO NOT plan on telling your mom that you ride?
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 07:54 AM
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Sorry, but am I reading this right?

You are 39 and you DO NOT plan on telling your mom that you ride?
What's the big deal? I'm not doing it because I'm afraid of her. I'm doing it because I don't think it's worth upsetting her. Every time we'd talk and I'd say "I went out for a ride today" she'd get all upset and worried all over again.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 08:08 AM
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What's the big deal? I'm not doing it because I'm afraid of her. I'm doing it because I don't think it's worth upsetting her. Every time we'd talk and I'd say "I went out for a ride today" she'd get all upset and worried all over again.
No big deal, hell I'm not going to tell on you.

I just wanted to make sure I was reading that right, your decision not to tell your mom is on you bro.

All I would suggest is to make sure that someone knows you are riding and where you are going in case something happens.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 08:12 AM
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No big deal, hell I'm not going to tell on you.

I just wanted to make sure I was reading that right, your decision not to tell your mom is on you bro.

All I would suggest is to make sure that someone knows you are riding and where you are going in case something happens.
Yup, that's taken care of. ICE, as well.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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Right on, and smart move on the ICE.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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Unfortunately for you I have to agree with those who said wait. While you're living under their roof suckling their teet... it's their rules.

Terry's advice is probably best. Start letting them know now that you are interested in getting your motorcycle license, then when you're financially independent you can look into taking the course, buying a bike, buying ALL of the right gear, and getting the insurance on your own.

For me, I didn't have to bother convincing my parents... I had to convince my wife! . It actually didn't take too long and on my 30th birthday I picked up a pre-owned Ninja 250 to learn on. I kept it for a while, learned to ride well, then upgraded.

In the meantime, here's some reading for you:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=717060

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/thinking-about-my-first-motorcycle-any-advice-707265/

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/official-motorcycles-scooters-thread-719775/
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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Most people you ride and even drive cars don't have to worry about themselves. It's the other people on the road you have to worry about.

I loving riding motorcycles, I haven't since 1986 because of other drivers.


As said, it's their rules. Look at the ages of the one's giving advised you own them, much older than you.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
Look at the ages of the one's giving advised who own them, much older than you.


I'm glad I waited till I was ~30. If I got a bike before I was 25-27 or so, I'd probably be dead, or at least I would have seriously injured myself at some point.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 10:18 AM
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You'll shoot your eye out kid.
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I'm glad I waited till I was ~30. If I got a bike before I was 25-27 or so, I'd probably be dead, or at least I would have seriously injured myself at some point.
I'm still shocked I didn't kill myself on mine when I was 22 y/o. I'm actually very thankful the engine blew so I didn't get the chance to. I still think I'll get another one later in life, but even at 32 y/o I wonder how immature I'd be on one. Plus the drivers in Phoenix are WAY too crazy for me to be tooling around here on one.

OP, wait until you're financially able to take the course on your own, then you won't have to worry about what your mom thinks. You'll be an adult and the only person responsible for you will be you.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anachostic
I'm 39 and have been riding a motorcycle over a year. I haven't told my mom I own one and don't have any plans to tell her.

Riding a motorcycle is a chosen risk. By taking the MSF courses you are mitigating that risk through knowledge. Gearing up reduces that risk further. Getting started on a bike that's not overpowered for your skill level reduces it again. You get the point.

You'll never get the risk to zero, but you can get it pretty low. You can die just as easily in a car from the uncontrollable variables. On a bike, you have the responsiveness and power to avoid accidents moreso than a car.

Good luck in your plans.
if I get a bike, whenever it is, I don't think I'm gonna tell my mom. She already told me, I can't have one as long as she's alive. She said if I get one, she will never be able to sleep again.

edit: I'm sure I'll come around to telling her but it wont be right away. I'll have to slowly get it to her that its not that bad, then I can tell her. Wouldnt have a problem telling my dad

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Go here: http://www.msf-usa.org/

Save YOUR OWN money and take the beginners course, they provide the bike, helmets, courses, and class room training... its the best thing for anyone who hasn't ridden and would like to learn.

Plus in SoCal "upon successful completion of the Basic RiderCourse students will receive a DMV DL389 certificate that may waive the riding skills test requirement at the DMV. If you haven't completed the written DMV test you must pass it prior to receiving your license endorsement."

As far as your parents, my mom hated the idea and my dad (who is a rider) was all for it.

By saving your own money, taking the class, and being serious about the situation it shows responsibility, which is all most parents want to see in a 19year old, and will surely help sway moms opinion.
Yea I planned to do the MSF course, I'll have to wait till I have my own money. My mom will never agree with riding, my dad used to ride motorcycles and he's kinda fine with the idea. But it's not like I'm gonna approach a motorcycle, like a teen does his first car. I'm gonna try to gain as much experience as I can off of the public streets, and take it slow when I hit the public streets. And I wont be doing any stupid shit on the streets either. I know I'll be fine, and my mom probably trusts my driving, she's more worried about the others out there. Because there are a lot of stupid drivers out there. Heck even I'm kinda afraid of them.

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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Sorry, but I agree with your mom. I don't like motorcycles and would be in knots of worry if a loved one rode one. I had a friend from high school who died on his only a couple months after graduating. I understand it's fun for those who ride, but I just can't get over the danger involved.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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Sorry, but I agree with your mom. I don't like motorcycles and would be in knots of worry if a loved one rode one. I had a friend from high school who died on his only a couple months after graduating. I understand it's fun for those who ride, but I just can't get over the danger involved.
Don't drive between lanes and try to stay out of people's blind spots. Then its not that bad. You can make it a lot safer with smart driving, and experience, I'm sure.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Anachostic
I'm 39 and have been riding a motorcycle over a year. I haven't told my mom I own one and don't have any plans to tell her.
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LOL I'm 38 and my Mom didn't know I had a bike until late last year, after owning it for 2 years and riding bikes for 5 or 6 years! She only found out after my big-mouthed friend told her about it in casual conversation. You gotta understand, my Mom is the naggiest human alive...since she found out, I haven't answered any of her calls since December 2009.
My wife's Mom still doesn't know about her bike. Now, if SHE found out, we'd have to leave Earth...
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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Wait till you are no longer supported by your parents, and then do what you like.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:49 PM
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if SHE found out, we'd have to leave Earth...
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:18 PM
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Unlike most mothers, mine had me on a bike when I was 8 and couldn't wait until I got my license. I even took the motorcycle safety class when I was 14 because she wanted to take it, so they let me also.

A motorcycle accident is never planned, but part of motor vehicles in general. It seems unreasonable that you mother would never approve of you owning a bike. Does she let you shoot a gun or ride without a seat belt? Maybe you could tell her since the bike was off limits you invested in crack instead? If you ride sensible with the proper equipment, it's a safe form of transportation. State without helmet laws probably have a higher percentage of fatalities than other states, but that's your choice. There's data saying you are more likely to get into a motorcycle accident than a car, but that's based on miles driven and there are more cars out there than bikes. I hear about car accidents all the time in the papers, but rarely motorcycle one's. Actually I think there have been more bicycle fatalities around here lately than motorcycle.

If you, your mother and father can sit and talk about it there are things to say that you could start off doing at first that are "higher risk" for cyclists.

# Around 31% of those killed in motorcycle accidents were intoxicated- Tell her you will never drink and drive!
# Over 80% of fatalities occur “off-road.”- Your not getting a motocross bike
# A majority of fatalities occur on undivided roadways- You'll pay closer attention on rural roads
# Around 41% of bikers involved in fatal crashes were speeding- You'll always keep it within the speed limit
# Almost 60 percent of motorcyclist fatalities occur at night- You won't drive at night starting out
# Over 50% of single-bike fatalities involve collision with a fixed object- You'll have the proper gear on to protect better in collisions
# More riders age 40 and over are getting killed- You've got 20 years to go!

She may never change her mind especially if your her only son, but she's gotta know you'll do some crazy things at some time and do what you want in life later on. Hopefully she'll come around and not force you to stay away from something as simple as getting a bike. My friend and I used to tear off on back roads at 120+ passing on double yellow's and racing up the mountains in VA. He was killed driving home one night in is 4-runner by a tractor trailer. Survived the craziest bike rides and crushed by a tractor trailer one night going 45 mph.

Some good data to share about crashes and safety with your mother if she's willing to hear you out.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcyc...statistics.htm

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/str...udy/index.html
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 03:04 PM
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I guess i dont see the point of getting the license at 19 when you dont even plan to buy a bike till your late 20s.

Why not just wait till you are ready for a bike to take the lesson. No point in putting your parents through this headache currently.

If thats the case, take flying lessons.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 04:15 PM
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I need help convincing my dad to let me get a bike too. I don't have the license and I got my own money but if this is gonna mean that me and my dad won't speak to each other if I get a bike then fuck it for now. But I am still working on, slowly.
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 05:04 AM
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I'm 41 and want a license..... The wife says fine. Once the kids are out of the house.
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 07:26 AM
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http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

This website completely changed my mind on getting a bike. Last year, I went and got my temps to ride, started looking for a bike, and a 50 year old rider sent me this site.

The temps are expired and I never got a bike.

I'm not nervous that I'll make mistakes, I've ridden many times but I don't want to leave my life in the hands of the people around me.
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 10:04 AM
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^ Man, sites like that make me just

Now, this is in no way directed towards you... but seriously... it's a website for pussies. It's like, yes, I'm afraid of something, let me create a website that justifies why I'm afraid of something by trying to convince others to be afraid of the same thing I'm afraid of.

It's like someone who's afraid of flying posting pictures and stories of all of the mishaps, injuries, and fatalities which have ever occured in the history of aviation
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
^ Man, sites like that make me just

Now, this is in no way directed towards you... but seriously... it's a website for pussies. It's like, yes, I'm afraid of something, let me create a website that justifies why I'm afraid of something by trying to convince others to be afraid of the same thing I'm afraid of.

It's like someone who's afraid of flying posting pictures and stories of all of the mishaps, injuries, and fatalities which have ever occured in the history of aviation
I definitely agree with you but the site does make an impact. I know a few people already that either died or suffered severe injuries because of other drivers stupidity on the road. When you're on two wheels, you're much more likely to get hurt than on four wheels.

I still ride a bike once in a while but if you spend 5% of the time riding versus 50% of the time riding, your chances of being in one of those accidents is much smaller.
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
Yea I know I'll probably end up waiting till I can get it myself. But even then I'm never gonna hear the end of it from my mom. She told me as long as she lives, I'm not allowed to get a motorcycle

We shall see what happens though. I just have the urge to start riding this summer!!
at least she cares
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by vas25tl
I definitely agree with you but the site does make an impact. I know a few people already that either died or suffered severe injuries because of other drivers stupidity on the road.
As do I. I also know a lot of people who were injured in cars (and one walking) b/c of the stupidity of other drivers. Doesn't mean I'd be so afraid to drive (or walk) that I'd put up a website like that to try to put my fear in others.

Originally Posted by vas25tl
When you're on two wheels, you're much more likely to get hurt than on four wheels.
Well there is definitely more protection in a cage, no disputing that evidence.

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I still ride a bike once in a while but if you spend 5% of the time riding versus 50% of the time riding, your chances of being in one of those accidents is much smaller.
Well that is the case with anything. I fly maybe once a year. My wife flies ~4-5 times a year. The chances of something happening to her in a plane are obviously higher then mine. Same with driving, and walking, and any other activity.



Living in fear is not living. Putting up a site like that to instill fear in others is even worse. I feel bad for the site/content owner. It must really suck to live life that way...
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmako
I'm 41 and want a license..... The wife says fine. Once the kids are out of the house.
she's just hoping that by that time you'll lose interest
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