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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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looks hawt.
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 06:04 PM
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Camry feels like plastic...feels a little scary driving that on a slightly uneven road.

Steering TOTAL numbness, acceleration is poor even with the V6 model, steering wheel feels like crap, cheap bleh looking interior.

I feel either the Honda or Hyundai (for the price) should have won.
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 06:06 PM
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me thinks toyota paid the most in ad fees that month
ROFL! And they have good reason to
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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looks hawt.


Those headlights look like the 2010 Legacy, but nicer.

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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mmafighta
Camry feels like plastic...feels a little scary driving that on a slightly uneven road.

Steering TOTAL numbness, acceleration is poor even with the V6 model, steering wheel feels like crap, cheap bleh looking interior.

I feel either the Honda or Hyundai (for the price) should have won.
You do realize that Camry v6 will outgun the Accord V6.

If i am not mistaken, Camry SE V6 also out handles the accord EX V6.
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chungkopi


looks hawt.
I agree. The 2010 Sonata is a well crafted piece. It looks fresh and rich even in pictures.

Does anyone else think that the 2010 Sonata stemmed from the same design language as the 2009 Infiniti FX? Take away the Sonata's chaotic grille and give it some bigger wheels and BAM, you've got a car that looks like a sibling to the FX. Heck, let it keep the grille, it could still pass as an Infiniti. Compliment or critism, take it how you want, but in the end it's still a sexy car. 'Fluidic Sculpture' or not, it looks like Hyundai hired the designers of the FX to create a sedan.

If I had to choose, it would be 1) Sonata, 2) Mazda6, 3) Altima. Sonata has a beautiful and by far the best interior along with a crisp exterior. From what I hear, the Mazda6 has an excellent ride that borders sport/smoothness and has a slick interior/exterior. Altima looks its best in 3.5 trim, but has probably the worst interior design of them all. '10 facelift didn't help the exterior either, TME.
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Old Mar 27, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mmafighta
Camry feels like plastic...feels a little scary driving that on a slightly uneven road.

Steering TOTAL numbness, acceleration is poor even with the V6 model, steering wheel feels like crap, cheap bleh looking interior.

I feel either the Honda or Hyundai (for the price) should have won.
Many have tested the Camry's acceleration, which remains to hoover around 6.2 seconds. MT tested it when it debuted and got 6.1. That is in no way 'poor' for an everyday-everyman car. It may feel cheap, but numbers don't lie.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Allen-
Many have tested the Camry's acceleration, which remains to hoover around 6.2 seconds. MT tested it when it debuted and got 6.1. That is in no way 'poor' for an everyday-everyman car. It may feel cheap, but numbers don't lie.
But for about the same money, you can get a Legacy GT and be under 6 (5.6 according to MT).....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0910_2010_subaru_legacy_gt_test/index.html

If we're going to up the ante and talk about the V6, how about the H4 with a blower....
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 02:43 AM
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For a commuter car, camry is a much easier car to live with. In addition, my significant other is pregnant. During commute in the morning, the camry is the smoothest sedan. It's a simple appliance that gets job done day in and day out.
I agree.

In regards to this comparo it seems they where looking for a basic all round midsize appliance. The Camry fits this purpose very well. I have been in both the newer Camry and Accord 6cyl versions alot. While I prefer the styling and Handling of the Accord, the Camry has more rear seat room, cargo capacity and power. The Camry also seems to have a better quality of interior as it seemed in my experience to handle the test of time much better.

When you consider all of this and this is probably what most of the consumers in this category are looking for, you can kind of see why the Camry would win a comparo like this.

One vehicle I felt that was underrated and should of had a higher ranking was the Subaru Legacy. IMO that vehicle is a great value being that in Canada they are comparable equipped and priced the same as an Accord but with the added feature of AWD which is huge bonus considering Canadian winters.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cp3117
I agree.

In regards to this comparo it seems they where looking for a basic all round midsize appliance. The Camry fits this purpose very well. I have been in both the newer Camry and Accord 6cyl versions alot. While I prefer the styling and Handling of the Accord, the Camry has more rear seat room, cargo capacity and power. The Camry also seems to have a better quality of interior as it seemed in my experience to handle the test of time much better.

When you consider all of this and this is probably what most of the consumers in this category are looking for, you can kind of see why the Camry would win a comparo like this.

One vehicle I felt that was underrated and should of had a higher ranking was the Subaru Legacy. IMO that vehicle is a great value being that in Canada they are comparable equipped and priced the same as an Accord but with the added feature of AWD which is huge bonus considering Canadian winters.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 08:55 AM
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been seeing more of the sonatas on the road recently. definitely has a presence. needs bigger wheels though.
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
Honda Accord has best fuel economy beating Sonat by 1 mpg in the test.
Honda Accord is full size car at 195 inch. it is just too big for many people now

Honda Civic is 175 inch. Honda needs to introduce 185 inch car that will be mid size. A clothed 2.0L Honda Euro Accord should be starting point. Rear seat leg room and head room of new Sonata is not much better.

Honda also needs to introduce Honda City sedan (which i consider the best design small sedan) at 165 inch (it is very spacious with flat floor).
There is no competition to Chevo Aveo, Scions and smaller Hyundais. there is so much Honda can do even with current line up.

so are you saying Camry is bigger than LS460? Camry has more rear leg room, you know? LS460 only has 35.8 inches rear leg room! 35.8 inches!! wow! that's very small!! that's a midsize sedan territory! are you saying LS460 is a midsize sedan? i thought it was a flagship!!
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Old Apr 8, 2010 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
so are you saying Camry is bigger than LS460? Camry has more rear leg room, you know? LS460 only has 35.8 inches rear leg room! 35.8 inches!! wow! that's very small!! that's a midsize sedan territory! are you saying LS460 is a midsize sedan? i thought it was a flagship!!
Camry does not more rear leg room than LS-460. they have LS-460L for those riding in back seat. LS-460 is drivers car with very tight turning circle.
nice try to divert. there is another comparision from C&D. Sonata is getting any better mpg than Accord despite having 6speed auto and DI engine which produce alot more torque for effortless crusing.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:11 AM
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double standard much? camry has 2.5 more inches of rear leg room than LS460!! don't bring up longwheel version here. i said LS460. by your logic, you should've at least said camry and LS460 is same sized 5 seater, just like you think civic and sonata is basically same 4 seater. lol again, LS460 is much bigger car than Camry, and Sonata is much bigger than Civic regardless of rear leg room specs. not only it's a common sense, but it's very visible in person. just go seat in the sonata and civic. sonata is MUCH BIGGER THAN CIVIC.

and jeez, what do M/T know about fuel economy? they had 11.6mpg on the new mustang! 11.6!! much worse than 13 something on both camaro and charger. lol weren't these machos supposed to have a decent fuel economy?

bottom line M/T don't just drive the car. they beat da @#$@#$ out of the car! so their observed MPG ISN'T REAL WORLD!! because in the real world, we don't race midsize sedans. if you do, shame on you.

dds are sonata is more economical than accord. 22/35 24/35 is better than accord's rating. standard testing is there for a reason.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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The Camry SE V6 doesn't drive bad. I think that it has easily the best V6 engine of the bunch. However it is so dull that I can't imagine a car enthusiast to buy one.

As a two-times Accord owner, I don't understand the new one. The dash is messed up and I just can't connect to it.

In absentia of the Passat, my vote goes to the Mazda6 V6 270HP.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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^ agree. This is the perfect accord package:

Keep everything in the current Accord except the V6. Move the V6 from the Camry into the Accord and it's a pretty done deal.

Accord also came in last in a recent 4-cylinder only comparison to the Sonata. Note the Accord was the LX with the lower output 4-cylinder rather than the EX with the 190hp engine.

I hope this forces Honda to make the 190hp standard. it's puzzling how the Accord has the stiffest competition its ever had in its existence and Honda is still pulling this crap with the different engines in their bread and butter product.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
The Camry SE V6 doesn't drive bad. I think that it has easily the best V6 engine of the bunch. However it is so dull that I can't imagine a car enthusiast to buy one.

As a two-times Accord owner, I don't understand the new one. The dash is messed up and I just can't connect to it.

In absentia of the Passat, my vote goes to the Mazda6 V6 270HP.

i like mazda6, but 17/25mpg for a midsize sedan really is awful. genesis v8 gets 17/25 and mustang v6 gets 19/31! mazda really gets horrendous mpg. that's a big big deal to me.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
double standard much? camry has 2.5 more inches of rear leg room than LS460!! don't bring up longwheel version here. i said LS460. by your logic, you should've at least said camry and LS460 is same sized 5 seater, just like you think civic and sonata is basically same 4 seater. lol again, LS460 is much bigger car than Camry, and Sonata is much bigger than Civic regardless of rear leg room specs. not only it's a common sense, but it's very visible in person. just go seat in the sonata and civic. sonata is MUCH BIGGER THAN CIVIC.

and jeez, what do M/T know about fuel economy? they had 11.6mpg on the new mustang! 11.6!! much worse than 13 something on both camaro and charger. lol weren't these machos supposed to have a decent fuel economy?

bottom line M/T don't just drive the car. they beat da @#$@#$ out of the car! so their observed MPG ISN'T REAL WORLD!! because in the real world, we don't race midsize sedans. if you do, shame on you.

dds are sonata is more economical than accord. 22/35 24/35 is better than accord's rating. standard testing is there for a reason.
Camry dont have more legroom than LS460. post some specification.
Not even single test from Edmunds, MT, C&D Sonata posted better mpg than Accord. so where is the benefit of 6speed auto and DI engine?
Accord had the best ride, space, fuel economy, NVH. that what matters in family sedan. it losses points in Magazine competition due to messy dash and styling.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
i like mazda6, but 17/25mpg for a midsize sedan really is awful. genesis v8 gets 17/25 and mustang v6 gets 19/31! mazda really gets horrendous mpg. that's a big big deal to me.
Isn't fuel economy impact exaggerated? Average counts.

Mazda 6 V6 272HP...15000 miles at 20mpg average EPA---> 2145$ (2.86$/gallon)
VW Passat 2.0T 200HP... 15000 miles at 22mpg averageEPA ---> 2147$ (3.15$/gallon)

Price per gallon from here
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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But for about the same money, you can get a Legacy GT and be under 6 (5.6 according to MT).....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0910_2010_subaru_legacy_gt_test/index.html

If we're going to up the ante and talk about the V6, how about the H4 with a blower....
Yeah, but then you'd have to look at it everyday!!!
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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FWD RDX achieved 19.5mpg in city driving. Honda can give this cheap upgrade to Honda Accord.
Honda Accord is 400lbs lighter than RDX and height is lower. so 22 to 23mpg in city and 31mpg should be easy to achieve. this all with 5speed Auto.
RDX was propelled from 0-60 in 6.9second on 5speed. quarter mile at par with V6 SUVs.
Subtract 1 second for Honda Accord.


there is nothing special about 2.0 turbo Sonata Fuel economy and performance. only good for paper specification.

http://www.edmunds.com/acura/rdx/2010/testdrive.html
Fuel-efficiency in the FWD RDX is obviously better than that of its AWD counterpart, and is reasonably good for this category. EPA estimates are 19 mpg city/24 mpg highway and 21 mpg combined — on par with the Q5 (20 combined) and ahead of the GLK350 (18). We averaged 19.5 mpg in mostly city driving.
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Old Apr 10, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
Yeah, but then you'd have to look at it everyday!!!
Damn you.......

I saw one today. The look of the new one is kind of growing on me, but I think I would take an A4 or 335i over it. No problem. I just think it's a car that is overlooked when people shop for cars.
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Old Apr 10, 2010 | 08:48 AM
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Damn you.......

I saw one today. The look of the new one is kind of growing on me, but I think I would take an A4 or 335i over it. No problem. I just think it's a car that is overlooked when people shop for cars.
I love the look of the last one. The new one is just
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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I love the look of the last one. The new one is just
On legacygt.com, they are almost as vile about the redesign as the good vs. ugly crowd here with the TL. That's how polarizing it has been there. However, it does not compete with the last gen TL and the platypus that humped the current version.
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