Me vs. 350z Touring w/Automatic

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Old 10-17-2003 | 07:12 AM
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could it be you need new tires, scalbert?
Old 10-17-2003 | 07:12 AM
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stock for stock, the auto z will own the cl-s six speed. I have seen it.
Old 10-17-2003 | 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by mantis23
could it be you need new tires, scalbert?
I have only about 2k miles on 235/45/17 AVS ES100's. So tread isn't a problem.
Old 10-17-2003 | 07:25 AM
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stock for stock, the auto z will own the cl-s six speed. I have seen it.
No way!!
Old 10-17-2003 | 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by allmotor_2000
No way!!
I have seen it, i mean there could be a number of factors to decide who wins, but i have seen an auto z own a 6 speed before.
Old 10-17-2003 | 09:05 AM
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I agree, I have been driving my pop's 350Z roadster auto, he traded in a '03 6spd z for it, both are faster than the 6spd (stock) and the auto feels almost just as fast. The triptronic on it is VERY good.
Old 10-17-2003 | 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by scalbert
Speak for your self, 2k revs and full throttle in 1st = wheel spin for me...

Actually, something happened yesterday which shocked me. I was on my way to Decatur, AL. At about 7:00 AM, temps about 40 F and just outside of Huntsville, I was in some traffic. The road was that kin of pressed pebble type so traction isn't the greatest anyway. But when the traffic cleared I stomped on it in 2nd at about 30 MPH and the tires lit up. I was surprised that this occurred in second and continued to redline.
Well dump it at 2k at the drag strip and I can guarantee you it will spin & hop like crazy. I was referring to bogging it off the line and then trying to recover.
Old 10-17-2003 | 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by jtkz13
Well dump it at 2k at the drag strip and I can guarantee you it will spin & hop like crazy. I was referring to bogging it off the line and then trying to recover.
I'm not talking about dumping the clutch. I was referring to rolling on the throttle at about 1k revs and before I get to 2k revs I am spinning. No clutch work involved.

Currently, my best test launches come by way of a slight bog and rolling on the throttle up to about 75%. Anything more is a waste for me. This is the perfect example of how more power doesn't guarantee better short times; if anything it hurts them.
Old 10-17-2003 | 11:58 AM
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bro i think u have a shot!! my 03 cl-s auto with intake got a 14.7 in hot weather so its should be a good run.. my fathers bone stock 04 maxima se auto got a 14.6.. and i "guess" the 350 z should be faster than a maxima right?
Old 10-17-2003 | 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
I'm not talking about dumping the clutch. I was referring to rolling on the throttle at about 1k revs and before I get to 2k revs I am spinning. No clutch work involved.

Currently, my best test launches come by way of a slight bog and rolling on the throttle up to about 75%. Anything more is a waste for me. This is the perfect example of how more power doesn't guarantee better short times; if anything it hurts them.
This wont give very good 1/4 times however. I found that bogging it was just as bad as spinning a lot off the line. My best 60' came with some spin, but no hop. When I would bog it I would run low 15's. But yes, rolling onto the throttle is the only way to achieve good launches on the stock tires, or so it seems.
Old 10-17-2003 | 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by jtkz13
This wont give very good 1/4 times however.
It might be my only option while under boost. I guess what I mean is that there isn't a bog with the supercharger, at least in the same terms as when runing stock. As long as there is throttle input the car is pulling.

We'll see what the best combination will be next month at Atlanta Dragway.
Old 10-17-2003 | 04:30 PM
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That's the beauty of a positive displacement supercharger, the low end tq. I'm sure it feels 10x stronger off idle than before the SC. You could recover from a bogged launch alot easier than a NA car due to the much improved low end torque.
Old 10-19-2003 | 09:37 AM
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Maybe next time, "joedoakes28" Hopefully i'll be back in town in a month or so...

Thanks for the prop's on the Z fellas..

I'm ready when you are.
Old 10-19-2003 | 09:50 AM
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Old 10-19-2003 | 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
Yeah... we do have some modded CLS-5AT that does the 1/4 mile in 14.2s-14.4s

Mattg,
Mike,
Scalbert,
And who else...

BTW, 6-speed CLS will do the 1/4 mile in 14.6-14.8 stcok. That is not too competitve.

Anything with less than 0.4 sec difference between Car A and B, is reaction-time race (if the driver is consistent!).
I just ran a 14.43 Friday night so add me to the list!
Old 10-19-2003 | 01:18 PM
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^

What mods flint?
Old 10-20-2003 | 07:42 AM
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Yeah... we do have some modded CLS-5AT that does the 1/4 mile in 14.2s-14.4s

D@mn I missed the list with a 14.503!
Old 10-20-2003 | 11:13 AM
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joe...practice practice practice your launch and then practice some more....I think you got a shot...and good luck
Old 10-20-2003 | 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
I'm not talking about dumping the clutch. I was referring to rolling on the throttle at about 1k revs and before I get to 2k revs I am spinning. No clutch work involved.

Currently, my best test launches come by way of a slight bog and rolling on the throttle up to about 75%. Anything more is a waste for me. This is the perfect example of how more power doesn't guarantee better short times; if anything it hurts them.
hey this might sound stupid but not even concidering the blower... comparing the gear ratios of the 6mt to the auto if i remember..the 6 's 2nd is very close to the autos 1st. .could there be any concideration given to starting in second? could be a double wammy ,good hard launch w/o all the spin and a longer duration between the first shift...
on a side note: i was thinking about a shifting tech. for the AWD cars like the scooby and evo...on the 1-2 they should leave it floored or atleast hold he revs as high as they'll stay...whereas our car would spin badly there's would probablly just launch them foward again? anythoughts?
Old 10-21-2003 | 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
comparing the gear ratios of the 6mt to the auto if i remember..the 6 's 2nd is very close to the autos 1st. .could there be any concideration given to starting in second?
The 6-Speed 2nd gear is longer than the 5AT 1st. It takes the car up to about 62 - 64 MPH.

But I have also thought of this and plan on testing this soon. I suspect it will be slower when compared to a good and controlled launch in 1st.

However, if I were bracket racing this would certainly be the method.
Old 10-21-2003 | 03:05 AM
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Old 10-21-2003 | 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by Chaptorial
^

What mods flint?
Basic bolt on stuff

2001 CL-S
Best 1/4 mile:14.435@97.16 on 19's
Comptech:
Sways
Axle-back exhaust
Headers
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Full UR pulley set
19" Lowenhart BR5's with 235/35/19
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Old 10-21-2003 | 08:53 AM
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I ran a manual 350z in my stock CL-S auto from a roll (5-10 MPH) off a light through second gear. It was neak and neak and i pulled about a foot or 2 into second gear. Not sure how fast we were going but I imagine he would have eventually puled on me at higher MPH. I also ran a 5.0 mustang (older one with the louvered tail lights, not sure what year that was). Exact same race situation and exact same result as my race with the 350Z.
Old 10-21-2003 | 09:24 AM
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hard to believe you were able to hang w/ the z. he should have killed you pretty badly.
Old 10-21-2003 | 11:26 AM
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prolly wasnt racing, we need headers just to hang...
Old 10-22-2003 | 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by darrinb
prolly wasnt racing, we need headers just to hang...
Maybe not, but he shure seemed like he was all over it and shifting hard. I expected him to walk away, but it didnt happen. If we went much further I am sure he would have.
Old 10-22-2003 | 01:52 PM
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from a light? 350z 6mt vs ur auto... he would have jumped on u at least 1 car length in 1st if he launched right.. stick w/RWD vs auto w/FWD.... there is no way u guys would go head to head in 1st...
Old 10-22-2003 | 01:53 PM
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oopse nvm... it was from a roll....
Old 10-22-2003 | 02:48 PM
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I dont feel like reading all of this..but did this race happen yet?
Old 10-22-2003 | 07:01 PM
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No. Rain and a truck show caused the track to close. My buddy lives in Cali and will be back in a month and I'll run him then. I rode in the car alot and it dosen't feel much stronger.

My only mods are the mugen t-stat/fan/water wetter a removed resonator and eibach pro kit.

I'll post again when we run.
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