Manual back in style?
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Manual back in style?
Is it me or in last 2-3yrs fat/lazy Americans started to drive 5spd & 6spd? 2 of my buddies who had auto domestic in the past has 5spd Jeeps. My other friend just got used porsche/ford focus(beater) both stick. My new tenant upstairs has 05 boxster-stick..
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Nothing has changed IMHO
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I think it depends on the region. When I was in the midwest, I didn't know anyone with a manual. Here in the bay area I know quite a few stick drivers.
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Originally Posted by teg_to_bike
I think it depends on the region. When I was in the place to be, I didn't know anyone with an inferior POS that acted like a bike gear control at best.
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Originally Posted by Palayah8ta
people think that "tip-tronic" crap is like a manual, such bull
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Originally Posted by Palayah8ta
people think that "tip-tronic" crap is like a manual, such bull
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Originally Posted by Newplay1
Is it me or in last 2-3yrs fat/lazy Americans started to drive 5spd & 6spd? 2 of my buddies who had auto domestic in the past has 5spd Jeeps. My other friend just got used porsche/ford focus(beater) both stick. My new tenant upstairs has 05 boxster-stick..
Nice way to refer to your fellow countrymen.. that is, if you are one.
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Originally Posted by TL CHROMETIDE
I hate it when people have automatic but they say it is also manual because you can choose the gear. It pisses the hell out of me. They also think that the automatic transmission will always be just as fast as manual transmissions of the same car.
This is not to say that we don't have really fine manuals, because we do. But there is not way you could punish them like you could with the Muncies in GM supercars of the mid-60's. It just ain't gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by TL CHROMETIDE
I hate it when people have automatic but they say it is also manual because you can choose the gear. It pisses the hell out of me. They also think that the automatic transmission will always be just as fast as manual transmissions of the same car.
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MT = pain in the ass for a daily driver.
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Originally Posted by TL CHROMETIDE
They also think that the automatic transmission will always be just as fast as manual transmissions of the same car.
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Originally Posted by Newplay1
Is it me or in last 2-3yrs fat/lazy Americans started to drive 5spd & 6spd? 2 of my buddies who had auto domestic in the past has 5spd Jeeps. My other friend just got used porsche/ford focus(beater) both stick. My new tenant upstairs has 05 boxster-stick..
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
I have yet to see an automatic transmission that can shift as quickly as someone who knows what they're doing with a manual. I'm talking drag racing here, people, with serious manual shifters and trannies.. not like the ones in out TLs.
This is not to say that we don't have really fine manuals, because we do. But there is not way you could punish them like you could with the Muncies in GM supercars of the mid-60's. It just ain't gonna happen.
This is not to say that we don't have really fine manuals, because we do. But there is not way you could punish them like you could with the Muncies in GM supercars of the mid-60's. It just ain't gonna happen.
Terry
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Ah, the old battles on A-TSX we used to have....
But dom has changed his evil ways... and had joined the darkside... Now he can work on improving from going around corners @ 53mph
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
But dom has changed his evil ways... and had joined the darkside... Now he can work on improving from going around corners @ 53mph
The Dom vs. Clutchperformer battles were classic....
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Sorry SouthernBoy.
The old M-22 rockcrusher transmissions. I love the six speed in my Accord. As smooth and precise as any manual I have driven, but I don't think I would drive it as I would have one of the old Muncie 21's/22's of yesteryear.
I think I'm getting old.
Terry
The old M-22 rockcrusher transmissions. I love the six speed in my Accord. As smooth and precise as any manual I have driven, but I don't think I would drive it as I would have one of the old Muncie 21's/22's of yesteryear.
I think I'm getting old.
Terry
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Originally Posted by teranfon
Sorry SouthernBoy.
The old M-22 rockcrusher transmissions. I love the six speed in my Accord. As smooth and precise as any manual I have driven, but I don't think I would drive it as I would have one of the old Muncie 21's/22's of yesteryear.
I think I'm getting old.
Terry
The old M-22 rockcrusher transmissions. I love the six speed in my Accord. As smooth and precise as any manual I have driven, but I don't think I would drive it as I would have one of the old Muncie 21's/22's of yesteryear.
I think I'm getting old.
Terry
For those of you who do not know or may want some info, the Muncie 4-speeds during the 60's came in three flavors. The M20 was the standard wide-ratio box (2.52 first gear). The M21 was the standard close-ratio box (2.20 first gear). And the famed and rare M22 was the "special" close-ratio box (also 2.20 first).
The M22 was known as the "rockcrusher" because of it's incredible strength. As I recall, it also sported straight cut gears which gave it away a bit because of the increased gear noise. But what a manual tranny. It was rumored to handle over 1300 HP and over 1000 lb/ft of torque.
I had the M21 in my 1966 SS 396/360 Chevelle with a 3.73 posi rear and I loved it.
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Originally Posted by teranfon
Sorry SouthernBoy.
The old M-22 rockcrusher transmissions. I love the six speed in my Accord. As smooth and precise as any manual I have driven, but I don't think I would drive it as I would have one of the old Muncie 21's/22's of yesteryear.
I think I'm getting old.
Terry
The old M-22 rockcrusher transmissions. I love the six speed in my Accord. As smooth and precise as any manual I have driven, but I don't think I would drive it as I would have one of the old Muncie 21's/22's of yesteryear.
I think I'm getting old.
Terry
The abuse we shed on those things would wreck a TL shifter and manual box in short order. But then again, the TL was not built for, nor meant for racing. Supercars of the mid-60s WERE built for racing as they came off of the production lines. Dollar for dollar, you couldn't buy a better built machine (in these terms) anywhere in the world back then.
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I drive a 6spd, but I don't think it adds any "fun" to my daily drive. Sure, it is "fun", but the "fun" people are claiming is really very extremely utterly completely overstated.
The only time AT should keep their mouth shut is when the cars are being auto-X. Other than that, AT = MT, depending on preference
The only time AT should keep their mouth shut is when the cars are being auto-X. Other than that, AT = MT, depending on preference
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
I have yet to see an automatic transmission that can shift as quickly as someone who knows what they're doing with a manual.
Personally, it is either a manual or auto. There are various trannys out there that are in a gray area (Ferrari F1, SMG) but you can categorize all the others by whether or not it has a clutch.
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Originally Posted by cob3683
The Tiptronic in the 997 does.
Personally, it is either a manual or auto. There are various trannys out there that are in a gray area (Ferrari F1, SMG) but you can categorize all the others by whether or not it has a clutch.
Personally, it is either a manual or auto. There are various trannys out there that are in a gray area (Ferrari F1, SMG) but you can categorize all the others by whether or not it has a clutch.
As for my statement about a seasoned individual who knows what they're doing with a manual transmission in a drag race being able to outshift any automatic, I stand by my statement. During the 60's, we saw the increased use of automatics in major drag racing classes. Initially, these were the outstanding Torque Flite Chrysler transmissions.. the best at the time. Later, GM introduced their fine Turbo-Hydromatics (hope I have this right).
Still, there were drivers like Ronnie Sox who could shift so fast, you couldn't even hear a change in engine RPMs (I'm not exagerating here.. I was present during some of his races with the Paper Tiger '65 Plymouth Hemi funny car).
I could throw shifts in around 1/10th of a second with my '66 Chevelle. I'd venture to say that Mr. Sox could better me be perhaps 3 fold. I can't think of any automatic capable of shifting gears in under a 10th of a second.
#31
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Your pain, friend.. my gain.
I need an automatic truck or SUV for showing property, putting up signs etc...
I do spend alot of time enjoying my MT though.
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Originally Posted by mattg
I guess i should elaborate a little... I have to use my car for work, and sometimes it's a pain in the ass for that.
I need an automatic truck or SUV for showing property, putting up signs etc...
I do spend alot of time enjoying my MT though.
I need an automatic truck or SUV for showing property, putting up signs etc...
I do spend alot of time enjoying my MT though.
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All i know is if i had an automatic A4 then i would have been bored with it long ago.
Maybe thats why i got bored with the TL so fast. Im sure i would have kept it longer if it was a manual.
With that said, i really want my next car to be SMG/DSG.
Maybe thats why i got bored with the TL so fast. Im sure i would have kept it longer if it was a manual.
With that said, i really want my next car to be SMG/DSG.
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I think one notices more MT when they drive one. They "look" for it.
Also, one thing I've noticed. Working at an engineering firm I notice a LOT of MTs in the parking lot. I even remember there being a lot at school (when I did have an AT). I love driving my MT, except when traffic gets shitty.
Could it be an engineering thing? Those business guys spend too much on phone to drive a stick
Also, one thing I've noticed. Working at an engineering firm I notice a LOT of MTs in the parking lot. I even remember there being a lot at school (when I did have an AT). I love driving my MT, except when traffic gets shitty.
Could it be an engineering thing? Those business guys spend too much on phone to drive a stick
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Originally Posted by g1underground
Not to hijack but Thanks Southern Boy for the memories
I almost lived at the track with Dad and remembered those quick swifters.
I almost lived at the track with Dad and remembered those quick swifters.
Though a Chevy lover at the time, I really admired the Sox & Martin racing team and especially watching Ronnie Sox run the Paper Tiger (remember the Moon tank in his grill?). I modeled my shifting technique after his and certainly not in his league, I was able to make 1-2 and 3-4 shifts in less than 1/10th of a second (speed shifting, not power shifting).
God did we have fun.
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Been driving MT all my life till I arrived to the US. I wanted to rent a car stick shift. No one offers it here, sucked. Depends on the region. Latin America, 95% of the cars if not more, are MT.
Funny how some people call stick shift car as "Standard" when it is actually OPTIONAL for many cars, like the CL.
Funny how some people call stick shift car as "Standard" when it is actually OPTIONAL for many cars, like the CL.