M3 SMG = Transmission Fire...
08-20-2003, 01:08 AM
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08-20-2003, 03:18 AM
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The 3 is a high quality car inside and out. BMWs are not as reliable as they should but it's a trade-off. THe M3 is plain ol sick though didn't the 2001 models have engine issues where they locked up or something?
My best friend and I have been shopping for one for him so any info is good info.
My best friend and I have been shopping for one for him so any info is good info.
08-20-2003, 03:26 AM
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tranny break + braking break + fire? and NO PICS!?!?!
Anyways, one f*'ed up tranny doesn't make BMW suck. If that was the case what would our Acuras be?
Anyways, one f*'ed up tranny doesn't make BMW suck. If that was the case what would our Acuras be?
don't lie now...
08-20-2003, 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by endless
you'll spend more time fixing a bimmer than driving it :pfawk:
you'll spend more time fixing a bimmer than driving it :pfawk:
08-20-2003, 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
someone remind me which car is being discontinued cause its not selling...the 3 -series...or the CL-S
someone remind me which car is being discontinued cause its not selling...the 3 -series...or the CL-S
08-20-2003, 07:26 AM
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Listen every car has problems, just because your BMW has been to the dealer many times that doesnt mean that all BMW's are Crap. Rondog, not flaming, but has your wife's car needed a new tranny? Have you had to drive her car in fear of blowing the tranny or warping the rotors? We deal with this stuff everyday, but i still dont consider my brand crap. The M3 is worth every penny. Wanna talk about over rated? How about the $90,000 NSX, a $45,000 Vette would run cirlcels around that car. Dont talk about build quality or interiors, because that doesnt warrant a $45,000 increase in price. My TL is on it's 5th tranny, but I don't consider every other TL or Acura a piece of crap. You cant judge a brand by what happens to one car, if we did that then our TL/CL's would break the Acura name with the tranny issue.
08-20-2003, 07:50 AM
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dude, my wife's beemer had the whole computer components replaced, 3 sets of Brakes and rotors in 10k miles, random pieces of the body falling off while drivivng, and the transmission malfunction light occassionally comes on and off. the car is built so tightly that when it gets hot, everything expands just enough to have the window buttons get stuck when pressed down. I am talking about the 323i for $32k with 180 hp as apposed to the tl-s for $31k with a ton more features and 260 horsepower. That is my opinion and it's based on my own experience. hell the BMW service is the worst also compared to acura service, sad to say.
08-20-2003, 07:58 AM
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you are right about the service, i have been there before. But you said BMW's are overated. The 3 series is, but have you been in a 5 or a 7. Even a 330 is nice. Plus isnt your wife's car first year. Like my TL is first year 2nd gen and i have problems that other people dont have. And wearing the brakes that fast is crazy, if she drives anything like we do that yeah i could se that happenning. I'm just saying that you cant judge an entire brand by what happened to you. Because there are many Acura owners that jumped to Infinity and BMW and have never looked back. These are the owners that had tranny issues, brake issues, rattles, they are the ones that judge the whole brand now because of one car. If everyone thought like that then we would be back on horses.
08-20-2003, 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by endless
you'll spend more time fixing a bimmer than driving it :pfawk:
you'll spend more time fixing a bimmer than driving it :pfawk:
I had an '83 528e while I was finishing my undergrad. It was Black w/ Saddle interior, had an enormous sunroof, was a 5-speed, and was in excellent shape (body and paint were unbelievably clean, while the interior was showing signs of wear...hell, the car was 15 years old). I picked it up in 09/96, with 225,000 miles on it. I traded it for my '98 3.2 TL-P in 01/98. I put 33,000 miles on it in 15 months, and the only thing I replaced was the alternator, right before I traded it in, and the gas tank (kinda freakish thing to replace). I maintained it at a BMW dealer (LOF every 3,000 miles, or so), and the car was great. I absolutely loved the car, but my back and knees couldn't take the manual with the congested commute anymore.
If I could find that car again, with fewer miles, mind you, I'd love to get it.Of course, a kid I knew at school had a late-80s 3-series, and his fuel line leaked, and his car burned to a crisp in front of our dorm...scary shit fo sho!
08-20-2003, 08:06 AM
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Well, this thread looks like it has sparked a complete controversy that I never expected it to do...but I think I'll add my .02 cents...
When driving the M3 owner home, he said that he loved his car and did not regret the purchase. He hoped that BMW would just replace his car, because he told me that he absolutely loved it. I was impressed with his open-mind because after a night like he had I don't know if I'd be able to say that, I'm sure that I would be scared to drive another M3 again. Granted, he has driven an M3, and I haven't, but my point is that he was not going to take one bad incident (that happened to him) and let it wreak the image of every other M3 on the road. That was really cool, I thought.
Also, if I took every single problem that has plague a Chevrolet Tahoe (and I've heard some horror stories) and used that to paint an image of Chevrolet, then I don't think I'd have my truck anymore. I absolutely love my truck, I haven't had a single problem with it, and it has been nothing but durable and dependable. While, I do understand that Chevy has some quality issues (especially with the interior) I do not let a few bad stories about other Tahoe's ruin the love that I have for my truck. And I think that the M3 owner did just that...he loved his car and was not going to let one bad incident ruin the amazing driving experience that is the BMW M3.
Wow...I've really rambled, sorry guys, I guess this is more like .10 cents now...
When driving the M3 owner home, he said that he loved his car and did not regret the purchase. He hoped that BMW would just replace his car, because he told me that he absolutely loved it. I was impressed with his open-mind because after a night like he had I don't know if I'd be able to say that, I'm sure that I would be scared to drive another M3 again. Granted, he has driven an M3, and I haven't, but my point is that he was not going to take one bad incident (that happened to him) and let it wreak the image of every other M3 on the road. That was really cool, I thought.
Also, if I took every single problem that has plague a Chevrolet Tahoe (and I've heard some horror stories) and used that to paint an image of Chevrolet, then I don't think I'd have my truck anymore. I absolutely love my truck, I haven't had a single problem with it, and it has been nothing but durable and dependable. While, I do understand that Chevy has some quality issues (especially with the interior) I do not let a few bad stories about other Tahoe's ruin the love that I have for my truck. And I think that the M3 owner did just that...he loved his car and was not going to let one bad incident ruin the amazing driving experience that is the BMW M3.
Wow...I've really rambled, sorry guys, I guess this is more like .10 cents now...
08-20-2003, 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
someone remind me which car is being discontinued cause its not selling...the 3 -series...or the CL-S
someone remind me which car is being discontinued cause its not selling...the 3 -series...or the CL-S
THere's alot more behind the CL's discontinuation than "BMW is better duh."
08-20-2003, 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by rondog
I am talking about the 323i for $32k with 180 hp as apposed to the tl-s for $31k with a ton more features and 260 horsepower. That is my opinion and it's based on my own experience. hell the BMW service is the worst also compared to acura service, sad to say.
I am talking about the 323i for $32k with 180 hp as apposed to the tl-s for $31k with a ton more features and 260 horsepower. That is my opinion and it's based on my own experience. hell the BMW service is the worst also compared to acura service, sad to say.
With the 2 BMWs I have had, the dealer kissed my ass......the service was great the handful of times I need them over a 5 year period.
Don't see it being any different with the new one.
08-20-2003, 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by dets
really? haven't heard that one before. My audi a6 was a great car and that went up in flames too. Scary thing though, one second you're driving, the next you're trying to get out of the car quick enough so you don't melt into the leather!
really? haven't heard that one before. My audi a6 was a great car and that went up in flames too. Scary thing though, one second you're driving, the next you're trying to get out of the car quick enough so you don't melt into the leather!
08-20-2003, 11:05 AM
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Can't decide which would be better to die in -
a $30,000 car whose tranny freezes up and stops on IH 35 (deadliest freeway in TX)
or a $40,000(+) car engulfed in flames with no brakes?
I guess I'd prefer the hopefully quick death in the $30,000 car.
I do think BMW is overpriced, reliabilty and build quality are just as important as handling and prestige to me.
a $30,000 car whose tranny freezes up and stops on IH 35 (deadliest freeway in TX)
or a $40,000(+) car engulfed in flames with no brakes?
I guess I'd prefer the hopefully quick death in the $30,000 car.
I do think BMW is overpriced, reliabilty and build quality are just as important as handling and prestige to me.
08-20-2003, 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by 123456SPEED
Can't decide which would be better to die in -
a $30,000 car whose tranny freezes up and stops on IH 35 (deadliest freeway in TX)
or a $40,000(+) car engulfed in flames with no brakes?
I guess I'd prefer the hopefully quick death in the $30,000 car.
I do think BMW is overpriced, reliabilty and build quality are just as important as handling and prestige to me.
Can't decide which would be better to die in -
a $30,000 car whose tranny freezes up and stops on IH 35 (deadliest freeway in TX)
or a $40,000(+) car engulfed in flames with no brakes?
I guess I'd prefer the hopefully quick death in the $30,000 car.
I do think BMW is overpriced, reliabilty and build quality are just as important as handling and prestige to me.
I'd say your odds are way higher on getting a bunk Honda/Acura tranny than your SMG starting on fire... Since this is the only one I have ever heard of, and I frequent roadfly.org.
Since honda can't produce a decent automatic transmission.
08-20-2003, 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Pure Adrenaline
240597 DEC 97 A/T - Transmission Will Not Shift Out of 3rd Gear
Take a look at this link. http://www.alldata.com/TSB/06/97067334.html Quite a few problems, huh? The transmission problem is number 150 on that list.
I brought up that issue because some people have been calling BMW junk and whatnot. I was merely saying that it is a nice car, but for the money, I would go Acura. Again, I'm not saying that BMW is not good. I love their cars and who knows, maybe I might own one someday. But since I'm in college, and can't afford 45,000+ dollar cars, I think I've made the best decision by going with Acura. Just sharing my story, adding my .02 to the BMW vs. Acura talk in this thread.
It's not like I came into an Acura vs. Infiniti thread and said BMW is overrated.
What's your problem, anyway?
240597 DEC 97 A/T - Transmission Will Not Shift Out of 3rd Gear
Take a look at this link. http://www.alldata.com/TSB/06/97067334.html Quite a few problems, huh? The transmission problem is number 150 on that list.
I brought up that issue because some people have been calling BMW junk and whatnot. I was merely saying that it is a nice car, but for the money, I would go Acura. Again, I'm not saying that BMW is not good. I love their cars and who knows, maybe I might own one someday. But since I'm in college, and can't afford 45,000+ dollar cars, I think I've made the best decision by going with Acura. Just sharing my story, adding my .02 to the BMW vs. Acura talk in this thread.
It's not like I came into an Acura vs. Infiniti thread and said BMW is overrated.
What's your problem, anyway?
Maybe BMW has more issues cuz they will actually admit there are problems. Just a thought.
08-20-2003, 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by 123456SPEED
I do think BMW is overpriced, reliabilty and build quality are just as important as handling and prestige to me.
I do think BMW is overpriced, reliabilty and build quality are just as important as handling and prestige to me.
08-20-2003, 03:45 PM
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Anyone who uses incidences like these to rag on a specific car company already hate said company and cannot be convinced otherwise. Save your breath, people.
08-20-2003, 04:08 PM
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don't mention Chevy Tahoe!!!
That's why I'm in a CLS now...I was going to keep my 97 2dr sprt with offroad pkg forever...until it started dying on me...3 stalls in the middle of the highway was enough to call it quits...pos domestics ugh
That's why I'm in a CLS now...I was going to keep my 97 2dr sprt with offroad pkg forever...until it started dying on me...3 stalls in the middle of the highway was enough to call it quits...pos domestics ugh
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Originally posted by endless
Only M3 wannabe think M3 is god. Ppl who actually owned one, will tell you that M3 is totaly junk!!!!
Only M3 wannabe think M3 is god. Ppl who actually owned one, will tell you that M3 is totaly junk!!!!
Funny, very few people on bimmer.org seem to bitch about their car being a POS (next to none actually).
Your posts really do suck.
08-20-2003, 08:05 PM
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I'm confused myself, actually it was a supposed to be tongue in cheek. I love my CL, but I also like the look and prestige of the German designs. But practicality usually wins out and I went for the 6 speed CL. I love the german style tho. but not the reliability, at those prices they should pay me to drive one and if it breaks, bring me a fresh one!
I like both cars, I was commenting on how opinionated some people get over the brands, saying,, hey you could die in either in a freaky incident, if everyone drove the same thing, say, a 2004 Mercedes SL500, now wouldn't that be a boring world??!!
I like both cars, I was commenting on how opinionated some people get over the brands, saying,, hey you could die in either in a freaky incident, if everyone drove the same thing, say, a 2004 Mercedes SL500, now wouldn't that be a boring world??!!
08-20-2003, 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by endless
Only M3 wannabe think M3 is god. Ppl who actually owned one, will tell you that M3 is totaly junk!!!!
Only M3 wannabe think M3 is god. Ppl who actually owned one, will tell you that M3 is totaly junk!!!!
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The ignorance and stupidity presented here is annoying. One incident does not dictate the make as a whole.
Most here realize how much I love my CL-S6SC, but without a doubt, my recently sold E46 328i was the finest vehicle I have personally owned to date. There are too many little items which do make it superior. To most they would never see these things but to those who actually open the hood, it is apparent.
Little things like the wiring harnesses used, the reverse polarity protection on the jump point, the switch gear, etc. The list goes on an on. This is not even including the excellent I6 motor, near perfect chassis and driving dynamics; the driving feel cannot be touched by the competition at this point.
My nearly four years of trouble free driving with the car was great. Not to mention the included maintenance and Global Imports BMW’s impeccable service (1000x better than Acura). We would still have it or have traded for a 330i had the double stroller fit. I did try to push my wife into looking at the wagon version which she almost did. I am certainly looking forward to the day when we will purchase another.
Most here realize how much I love my CL-S6SC, but without a doubt, my recently sold E46 328i was the finest vehicle I have personally owned to date. There are too many little items which do make it superior. To most they would never see these things but to those who actually open the hood, it is apparent.
Little things like the wiring harnesses used, the reverse polarity protection on the jump point, the switch gear, etc. The list goes on an on. This is not even including the excellent I6 motor, near perfect chassis and driving dynamics; the driving feel cannot be touched by the competition at this point.
My nearly four years of trouble free driving with the car was great. Not to mention the included maintenance and Global Imports BMW’s impeccable service (1000x better than Acura). We would still have it or have traded for a 330i had the double stroller fit. I did try to push my wife into looking at the wagon version which she almost did. I am certainly looking forward to the day when we will purchase another.
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