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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 08:37 AM
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Look at my Explorer's engine

My 91 Explorer was leaking coolant so I pulled the engine apart to find a bad intake gasket and this horrible sludge . Truck only has 90K miles, the previous owner must have never changed the oil.








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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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wow the after looks soooo much better, crazy how people go so long without oil changes
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Not necessarily a result of oil change frequency. Sludge has been an issue with several manufacturers, I know Toyota had or maybe still has a big issue with sludge in the Sienna and I think Camry.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 09:35 AM
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Not necessarily a result of oil change frequency. Sludge has been an issue with several manufacturers, I know Toyota had or maybe still has a big issue with sludge in the Sienna and I think Camry.
True, but knowing what little overall maintenance was done on this vehicle im willing to bet it was due to lack of service.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Dang, that's nasty.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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Back in high school, a friend of mine bought a used Mustang (it was probably 4 or 5 years old at the time). A week later, it died...turned out the previous owner had never changed the oil and the engine seized up.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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mmm, pennzoil
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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That's pretty bad. I pulled 2 94's & they were not anywhere near that bad.
It's a 91. You sure the mileage is correct?
You should replace all the gaskets & clean the sensors & do a valve adjustment since you have it all apart.
Replacing your fuel injectors, changing the TS & coolant temp sensor may be good ideas as well.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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holy shit. That thing is awful. thank god you cleaned it
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
Not necessarily a result of oil change frequency. Sludge has been an issue with several manufacturers, I know Toyota had or maybe still has a big issue with sludge in the Sienna and I think Camry.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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That's pretty bad. I pulled 2 94's & they were not anywhere near that bad.
It's a 91. You sure the mileage is correct?
You should replace all the gaskets & clean the sensors & do a valve adjustment since you have it all apart.
Replacing your fuel injectors, changing the TS & coolant temp sensor may be good ideas as well.
Yeah im sure it was a 1 owner

I am replacing all the gaskets and the sensors have been cleaned. Valves are self adjusting along with the lifters.

Im not getting into the expense of replacing fuel injectors since its just my beater that im lucky to put 5K miles a year on.

Amazingly enough this truck ran perfect and smooth since I got it. I would have never torn into the motor except I was loosing coolant around the intake

Thanks for the advice though fuzzy
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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And make sure you pre lube everything before you dry start.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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And make sure you pre lube everything before you dry start.
Yup already have plans to pour a quart into each valve train before putting the covers back on.

Probably won't come back to life until Saturday though. No time in the evenings.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 12:28 PM
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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crazy sludge looks so much better now..
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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Man that was nasty...definately a good things you noticed and cleaned it up
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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What did you use to remove the sludge? Brake cleaner?
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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What did you use to remove the sludge? Brake cleaner?
Brake cleaner in the engine and a bucket of gasoline for everything that could be unbolted
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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much better, great work.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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mmm, pennzoil


This looks like a case of an oil package that coagulated(which pennzoil is known for when not brought up to temperature frequently). When you bought this vehicle was it low mileage? The "driven by an old lady" cars often have a lot problems like this, not driving a car at normal operating temperatures frequently is terrible for them.

Nice job with the clean up!
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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This looks like a case of an oil package that coagulated(which pennzoil is known for when not brought up to temperature frequently). When you bought this vehicle was it low mileage? The "driven by an old lady" cars often have a lot problems like this, not driving a car at normal operating temperatures frequently is terrible for them.

Nice job with the clean up!

Yes it was low mileage when I bought it, 14 years old and only 65K miles. It was actually purchased new by a doctor for his son to take to college. Then became the family's spare vehicle later in its life. Then in the last few years before I got it, it was never driven.

Thanks for the complement
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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I would also pull the oil pan of and look at the lower end. It may need cleaning as well. You should buy the cheapest oil you can and get a can of seafoam or similar cleaner add it to the oil and let the truck idle for 5-15 min with that in it and then drain the oil and add the new stuff
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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I would also pull the oil pan of and look at the lower end. It may need cleaning as well. You should buy the cheapest oil you can and get a can of seafoam or similar cleaner add it to the oil and let the truck idle for 5-15 min with that in it and then drain the oil and add the new stuff
That's not a bad idea, if the top end looks like that I'd want to make sure the oil pump isn't nasty looking too.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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You have to take the engine out or raise it high enough(most cases it's almost out) to clear the front cross member to replaced the pan gasket or oil pan.
At least on 4WD explorer's of that year. Even 2WD it's a bitch.
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Old Apr 22, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
You have to take the engine out or raise it high enough(most cases it's almost out) to clear the front cross member to replaced the pan gasket or oil pan.
At least on 4WD explorer's of that year. Even 2WD it's a bitch.

Oil pan isn't coming off. If this was a DD or something I cared about I would get into that effort, but not with this truck.

Im going to flush the oil a few times after its back together. It should be good enough for the results im looking for
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by iTimmy


This looks like a case of an oil package that coagulated(which pennzoil is known for when not brought up to temperature frequently). When you bought this vehicle was it low mileage? The "driven by an old lady" cars often have a lot problems like this, not driving a car at normal operating temperatures frequently is terrible for them.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iTimmy


This looks like a case of an oil package that coagulated(which pennzoil is known for when not brought up to temperature frequently). When you bought this vehicle was it low mileage? The "driven by an old lady" cars often have a lot problems like this, not driving a car at normal operating temperatures frequently is terrible for them.

Nice job with the clean up!
Please stop the Pennzoil myths, they are false.

Any engine oil can cause this if it was not replaced frequently enough when used in the conditions that you just described.

The sludge was probably caused by the coolant leak or a combination of that and a poor maintenance history.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:02 AM
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I wonder what my brother's old Escape looks like. He leased it and didn't change the oil for nearly 2 years IIRC
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 07:48 AM
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Damn. That's almost like tar. It looks a lot better.

I went too long on my oil change the last time with the cars and never again.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
Please stop the Pennzoil myths, they are false.

Any engine oil can cause this if it was not replaced frequently enough when used in the conditions that you just described.

The sludge was probably caused by the coolant leak or a combination of that and a poor maintenance history.
There is experience you get in the field that you can't learn/see in a classroom. Oil formulas are constantly changing to meet new standards, so the Pennzoil of 5 years ago, is not the same as the Pennzoil of today. Very early in my days at the shop we had the classic example of a little old lady come in and she had a leaky valve cover, her husband always told her to get leaks fixed so she did. Upon removing the valve cover there appeared to be a film on the underside of the valve cover and we peeled off a 1/2" film that had the imprint of the valve cover embedded in it. It was translucent, like vaseline in color but more jelly like. She used only Pennzoil in the car and very seldom left town. Yes, this was almost 14 years ago now, but back then the "Pennzoil myths" as you call them, were not myths. When you see something like that in real life it tends to leave a foul impression on a brand of oil.
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
Not necessarily a result of oil change frequency. Sludge has been an issue with several manufacturers, I know Toyota had or maybe still has a big issue with sludge in the Sienna and I think Camry.
True, we seafoamrd my grandma's 2000 Camry I4 with 60,000 miles. It produced more smoke than my dad Jeep with almost 85,000 miles.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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True, we seafoamrd my grandma's 2000 Camry I4 with 60,000 miles. It produced more smoke than my dad Jeep with almost 85,000 miles.
You can't judge engine condition by how much smoke a seafoam treatment generates

Ive seen people run a nearly new car with seafoam and it filled the block with smoke.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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yeah I ran it in my 94 & it hardly had any smoke.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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Nice job on the cleanup Looks like a mini valdez oil spill... Some people would have just changed the gaskets and slapped the valve covers back on

Originally Posted by iTimmy
There is experience you get in the field that you can't learn/see in a classroom. Oil formulas are constantly changing to meet new standards, so the Pennzoil of 5 years ago, is not the same as the Pennzoil of today. Very early in my days at the shop we had the classic example of a little old lady come in and she had a leaky valve cover, her husband always told her to get leaks fixed so she did. Upon removing the valve cover there appeared to be a film on the underside of the valve cover and we peeled off a 1/2" film that had the imprint of the valve cover embedded in it. It was translucent, like vaseline in color but more jelly like. She used only Pennzoil in the car and very seldom left town. Yes, this was almost 14 years ago now, but back then the "Pennzoil myths" as you call them, were not myths. When you see something like that in real life it tends to leave a foul impression on a brand of oil.
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WOW...nice job on that!

..LOL at the brake cleaner comment... i was just tellling me son last weekend that every good home garage needs a can for cleaning stuff up...
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 01:57 PM
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After looking at these pictures I'm starting to think that the Empire just covered Han Solo in engine sludge.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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WOW...nice job on that!

..LOL at the brake cleaner comment... i was just tellling me son last weekend that every good home garage needs a can for cleaning stuff up...
My garage is always stocked with brake cleaner, carb cleaner, and PB Nut Buster
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My garage is always stocked with brake cleaner, carb cleaner, and PB Nut Buster
Now I know who to hit up for help.
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