Mark Lafferty

I am thinking about purchasing my 2012 TL AWD when my lease is up.Buyout is 21k. 80k on car. Wife would use car the car and drives only 15 k a year or so. Or buy her a new accord or Sonata, Altima. The TL AWD is such a nice car and handles so well I am dithering on keeping it vs new lesser car. I have had friends who have driven these for 275-300k with routine maintenance. Thoughts??

CLtotheTL32

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Keep it.

RPhilMan1

It makes the most financial sense to keep it.

juniorbean

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<p>Agree with the above replies. &nbsp;At this point it makes the most sense to just keep it...</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

SamDoe1

Why the hell did you put 80k miles on a leased vehicle when you didn't know for sure you were going to buy it out? You pretty much have to now if you don't want to lose your pants in extra mileage fees. If you have a 36k mile lease and $0.15/mi over then you owe Acura $6600 if you turn the car in which is wasted money.

Buy out the TL and run it until it dies.

Flipster23

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<p>As a previous owner of the Accord.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I say keep the TL. 80k on a lease.... Financially responsible to keep the TL...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

1killercls

Awd> fwd.

Saintor

At 80K for 21K$, ditch it.

AWD is a dead weight anyway. Get her a nice 2016 TLX 2.4 FWD.

csmeance

21K is an alright deal, but it's pretty much the black book trade in value.




Does your TL consume any oil? If not, keep it. The only repairs you have to do are the 105K service for around 1K. Other than that the torque converter is the weak point and is a $660 repair.

oonowindoo

there is another way.

Go to carmax and other used car dealers to get some quote to see how much they will offer you to buy your car (leased or not does not matter)

If they can offer you something around $20k, sell it to them instead of returning it.

EkSoni

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^1 He's right that is your only other option, to sell or trade and get the value that way you're off the hook for the overage miles.

neuronbob

We have a winner, or eat the cost of the excess miles on your lease.

Next time, buy, don't lease, if you're going to put major miles on your car.

Flipster23

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<p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I've always wondered, what site is that?</p>

oonowindoo

If that black book value is any accurate, then he might actually make a few dollars after the payoff amount.
If that is the case, what is the down side for him to do the same lease again?

Lease a TLX V6 for 3 years put 80k miles on it, significantly lower monthly payment with little to $0 down payment and when it is time to sell it, make a thousand or 2. Or even break even is ok too because he saved plenty from the lower monthly payment.

I am very curious on how this situation turns out...

NSXNEXT

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https://acurazine.com/forums/car-tal...nomics-936187/

oonowindoo

^

???

1killercls

AWD is dead weight? The only dead weight in this thread is your head. Once you have owned an AWD car you will understand just how awesome it is. I have had RWD, FWD and my last 2 cars have been AWD. Never going back to RWD or FWD.

Drei

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I'm hoping you forgot the red font for sarcasm...

Trade-in Values

Flipster23

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<p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>No, he is just stupid, don't mind him.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Also, thanks for the link.</p>

Saintor

Oh, stop being a dumb-*ss.

AWD has nowhere the magic virtue that most innocents think that it has.

One of the most over-hyped gimmick in which people literally WASTE their money.

Yeah if I was racing a 650HP Fiesta, I'd want it. Or in a location with winters and many hills.

But for most applications, it is just a dead weight.

Cops don't order their Charger with AWD. They know that it is just what it is, a waste of money and a dead weight.

Except a few luxo-barges, M-cars don't have AWD.

Mustangs, Camaros, 805HP Challenger and Corvette don't have it.

Even the world's utter sedan, the cost no object Mercedes S600 Maybach doesn't have it. If there was a company that would believe that AWD increases a car's safety for literally peanuts (3K$), that would be Mercedes, mmmm?



Start thinking with your brain, not with your girlie emotions.

JS + XES

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This is hilarious because I thought you were talking to yourself.

And yeah, I stopped reading there.

Saintor

Stop just making noise with no argument like a 12yo. At least if you understood that you were reading. Comes a time that facts speak by themselves. Sorry if I was too advanced for you.

JS + XES

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I still can't believe you are only 12 years younger than my dad.

Like what exactly went wrong with yourself? How did you manage to get so dumb and ignorant while living 48 years?

Saintor

As I said, you are just *noise* and show no intelligence.

At all.

ttribe

Next-Generation BMW M5 Spied Testing, Packs All-Wheel Drive

Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG | Next-gen model may go AWD-only | Digital Trends

2015 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG S-Model 4Matic review notes | Autoweek

4MATIC All-Wheel Drive SUV, Sedan and Coupe | Mercedes-Benz

Saintor

And your point is....? where is the S600 Maybach again?

You can bet your butt that if it was 25% as good as some (most) people think it is, the S600 would have it standard, no question asked.

Same goes for Rolls.

JS + XES

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Nah, 95%.

ttribe

I'm not the least bit surprised neither Maybach nor Rolls-Royce offer AWD as many of the offerings of AWD by MB or BMW are either SUV-related or on performance-oriented cars. Bentley, on the other hand... You also, conveniently, ignored the R8, for example.

That being said, you brought up a number of performance cars as examples of not using AWD to enhance the vehicle, and yet you ignored the many performance cars that use AWD to enhance the vehicle. You engaged in something we Americans call "cherry-picking." In other words, you looked for examples that supported your position, but ignored anything that didn't. That's pretty lame.

thoiboi

There's a lot of dumb ig'nant people in the world... They typically co-habitat in the South and are offsprings of cousins and end up marrying their sisters..


Not sure about Saintor's excuse being from though..


:canaderp:

TylerT

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Idiotic.

Idiotic.

Idiotic.

You could argue this, but still reeks of ignorance and idiocy.

Okay, lets compare the interests & budgets of government issued vehicles versus consumer needs....

Right

Hmmm

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...wd-test-review


You could argue all those cars would BENEFIT from AWD.

Does BimmerForums have a 3G section or what? This guy is a repeat offender of plain stupid.

Saintor

So tell us WHY we can't get M3 AWD that would enhance the vehicle.

The cars that you are referring to are in the VW/Audi's group and it is clear that they have something to sell to fools and their money.

Yet...



This Is Audi's Insane Front-Wheel Drive TT-RS Racecar

ttribe

As to the M3/4, I suspect (but don't know) that they've decided to maintain a more "tail-happy" driving experience as well as weight reduction.

As to Audi/VW/Bentley, I suspect their racing heritage with AWD vehicles speaks for itself (Audi as won how many Le Mans titles?).

I forgot to mention the various AWD Porsche models, including the 918.

There's also the P1 that is AWD.

Tesla Model S P85+ has an AWD option.

The GT-R is AWD.

Some people like AWD from both a performance and safety standpoint. It certainly changes the dynamics of the vehicle. I don't happen to want one specifically, but I can see its advantages for certain types of driving. In short, your universal dismissal of AWD as an enhancement to all vehicles in all situations is nonsense. Not that you'll admit that you overreached and were wrong to do so. In all the years of watching you post on two boards, I've never seen you admit an error; I don't suppose you'll surprise me now.

Saintor

I hope that you do a better job to counting than reading.

I clearly stated the situations above where I would want AWD. Universal dismissal? lol.

And unlike you, I owned a few ones (Audi, Subaru), thank you.

ttribe

Indeed, you had some limited exceptions...

My apologies for missing the three examples for which you think AWD is beneficial. But, hey, nice try to change the focus to that minor issue. Never mind the fact that you ignored a significant number of counter-examples to the main thrust of your argument.

JS + XES

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thoiboi

What's that saying..."Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Older guys like him are set on their ways


Also cmon guys, trust him when he says AWD is dead weight.. he's an expert at dead weight... you know being it and all

Saintor

Prove me that a GT-R wouldn't be quicker in RWD form.

Dodge Hellcat X or not >>>>>> GT-R no matter how you try.
Nissan GT-R Gets Destroyed By Dodge Challenger Hellcat; Police Pull Both Over

TylerT

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....

JS + XES

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ttribe

That's a nonsense request. One - There's NO WAY to prove it. Two - I'm pretty sure the Hellcat has quite a bit more HP. Three - you haven't been paying attention for at least five years if you haven't seen all the crazy-fast track times the GT-R has put down despite all the perceived limitations.

ETA: You might note that the principle limitation of the Hellcats noted by the automotive journalists is the lack of grip.