stogie1020

That's the problem, you have no idea which way THEY are going once they hit the intersection, so you stand a 1 in 3 chance of blocking them if you move, and a pretty good chance of blocking them if you don't.

I had people just freeze up in front of me sitting in the intersection. Little known fact is that most emergency vehicles aren't supposed to pass anyone the right. It happens, but they aren't supposed to do it, since cars are supposed to move to the right.

The Dougler

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is300eater

I f-ing hate it when I see those people that are at the end of a pack of cars... who think it's "it's okay" because they're with those other cars that made it. F-THAT... where are the police when you need them??!!

Beelzebub

Absolutely. Something needs to be done.

I just found out on Tuesday that one of my good friends from college died on Sunday from someone running a red light at high speed and got him square on the drivers door. I am still trying to come to grips with it as I wasn't able to attend the funeral which was yesterday in Colorado.

At this time they don't know what was going on with the other driver except he wasn't drunk or on drugs that they know about at this time.

black label

You can be racist and hate your own race. Racist statements are ones that generalize an entire race to have a certain trait.

That's why I prefer to just hate all the humans and humanoids

I had a situation like this at an intersection that has no left turn arrow and the painted stop line is literally 50 feet from the actual light and turn.

I got a ticket for both blocking an intersection and running a red light. How dod you do both? If I'm blocking the intersection, I didn't really run the light did I?

ZeroPSI

Nope. There have been numerous courts ruled in favor, stating there is no proof that the owner of the car was actually driving the car at the time the ticket was issued.

Cocoa

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That sucks! That's what I was afraid of getting. Did you fight it?

fuzzy02CLS

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Depends. The new camera's take a pic of the driver & the car. Not just the plate.
I know plenty of people in NYC that have gotten fines in the mail with a picture of them driving the car.

chill_dog

And just think, some people find it amusing...
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/red-light-green-light-1-2-3-a-685610/

TzarChasm

You have any articles on this you can link? Cause, no offence, but I think you are talking out of your ass. I recently read an article that one city is taking down the red light cameras because they worked so well that ticket revenues were WAY down and the police were going to take a huge budget hit. I'll do some research and see what I can find, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure these are both legal in court, and effective.

Cocoa

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How the hell is that ticket only $50! In Cali it's a WHOLE lot more. I ran a light around 3am on accident once. I was very sleepy and was heading home. Apparently I wasn't paying attention and ran a red light with a cop right behind me. The ticket back in around 2001 was around $360.

That was the only time I've ever ran a light. Again, I didn't even know I did it when I was pulled over.

ZeroPSI

For sure I know that MN has had them overturned and the state is now in a huge legal battle.

I am sure I can find some articles by searching, but I did find one article from a USAToday that talks about some of the states have cases in a higher court.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ightside_x.htm

TzarChasm

the article you cite says there is "litigation in three states"

I dont know where you get from that "Those red light camera tickets have never held up in court"

there are a lot more people in more then three states that are fighting income taxes. Some of them actually have won. Do you think that is proof that income tax has never been held up in court?

the fact that they don't know who is driving is not really an issue. Cops issue parking tickets all the time. they are issued to the car. Also, cops can charge you with all sorts of driving offences even if they don't see you in the car. In most accidents, the people are not in the car when the cop arrives, it usually doesn't stop them from issuing tickets.

Doom878

I see more people taking the left turn arrow then running reds. That shit gets annoying and no camera could detect that.

I read in the Miami Herald like a year ago that they're bringing cameras over to some cities but in Dade county. There's actually one near my house in Kendall where the new Costco is. No idea if it's operational as the mall is mostly in construction still. However, Kendall is unincorporated Dade, and I've never seen any others. With the budget shortfalls it was probably delayed.

I did read that Arizona especially the Phoenix area made a ton of money on these. I believe the city didn't have to pay for the cameras, but gave a % of revenue to the company who made them. However, there were several complaints of the cameras not being calibrated correctly. And I think there they use them more than just for red lights.

TzarChasm

I found the article on Dallas removing some of their cameras to encourage people to continue running red lights so they could raise revenue.

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...-removing.html

I could not however find ANY mention of ANY juristiction saying they were just unenforceable. I DID find mention of people being forced by courts to pay even though they were CLEARLY NOT the person driving.

What I did find was that there are a LOT of problems administering the tickets and that some juristictions do not go after people who just refuse to pay. Mostly because the ticket dosn't go to the police, it goes to the court, and the court dosn't tell the police the people don't show up.

I have MANY issues with how this camera thing is being handled in a lot of places. For one, I don't think that any private entity should be allowed to issue tickets. That is the job of law enforcement alone, not some company that stands to make money off of issuing tickets. Some states don't allow you to chalenge the tickets in court. Thats also just plain wrong. And it seems some places put the burden of proof on you to prove it was not you if the plate is hard to read. That's also wrong.

That said, I think there is a place for this kind of thing if done correctly. There is way too much red light running in this area and it's getting really unsafe at times. Are cameras the solution? I don't know, but they just might help, and i'm willing to give it a try.

fuzzy02CLS

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I cited in my letter that Miami-Dade was "testing" cameras in limited intersections.
It's 1 thing if the cops are enforcing, but I never see a cop do anything about it unless they are right there. Even then it's rare. I've sat at a red turn signal, with a cop next to me. I watched as a car coming the other way went through the red light & the cop just sat there. More then once this happened.

The electronic toll system here is setup with cameras that take your pic & tag if you don't pay a toll. These get enforced well & often The system is setup for this. A move to included red lights should be easy to administrate.

ZeroPSI

Like I said, it wasn't a good example, once I have some free time I can search.

Here are a few more results from Google:

http://seclists.org/politech/2001/Sep/0009.html
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/c...74-red-tickets
http://www.khou.com/news/local/houst...s.bab0222.html
http://www.kiiitv.com/news/local/17443554.html

TzarChasm

You didn't actually read any of those did you?

Look, I get it, you don't like the cameras. that does not make them unenforceable in court.

ZeroPSI

They don't bother me any, I am not running red lights. I just simply said they have been found to not uphold in court.

But, like I said, I just did a simple Google search and copied and pasted the top results. I will attempt to find you the news articles or court cases of the actual cases that were upheld for whatever reason.

black label

Yes, yes I did. I won too

I only hope the other 2 people they wrote up fought it too.

r3mix3r

I live off University Dr and Royal Palm Blvd...I see people run the lights here daily. I always wait ATLEAST 5 seconds to go after the light turns green. The sad thing is I think the light turns green 3-5 sec after the other light turns red...So people are running the light after the light has been red for atleast 5 seconds. I notice it primarly in turning lanes especially. On a busy day (everyday in this overcrowded town) I'll see about 2-3 cars tag along to make the light all go through it solid red.

Not to mention when I drive home at 3-4am sometimes on the weekends, I'll see cars just go through red lights, because they don't feel like waiting. Way too common.

truaznballa25

hearing all these stories make me scared to driving in intersections

Ralphie917

agreed hate the red light runners... its just amazing that people are so impatient that they will risk safety, damage, etc... just to save a few seconds at a red..

Ive actually witnessed people running lights in front of cops who were in the middle of traffic stops with other motorists -- whether it was due to rubbernecking or not, i so wanted them to get smashed by a semi (well maybe not that much hate, but i wanted them to learn their lesson)

stright-(paint)balling

I got a red light camera ticket. it had only "clicked red" for 1/4 of a second when i was in the intersection. I thought it was bullshit but i paid it.

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I finally got a response today from my local congressman. Said the issue with red lights was a state run matter, & he's forwarded my letter to my Florida State Legislature Representative. Whatever that means.

agranado

with a focus in East Hialeah... I work there now and I've run into people who dont know how to drive through rotunda's and parking lots. It's pretty pathetic.

LuvMyTSX

I'm not seeing many people running red lights, but I've noticed in the past year or so a disturbing number of people running stop signs. Don't know what's up with that, but it happens to me on a weekly basis, and just happened again tonight. People are reckless.

1killercls

Prosecution rates are huge on red light cameras.

Edumacate yourself.

http://www.stopredlightrunning.com/p...afeOnGreen.pdf

1killercls

Oh...and FWIW it is the same here in the tampa Bay area...people just go right through them. (Red Lights)

knight rider

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I actually had a friend die a few months ago because of a red light runner. Senseless.

I have also seen an idiot cut off a police car with the sirens on at an intersection. The cop was PISSED. He could not do anything because he was probably responding to an emergency.

phile

^ I actually did that once (accidentally), light turned green and I just went. It's when you turn the radio on so loud you dont hear things. I can tell he was pissed but it already happened and we went our separate ways.

mrmako

You should try living in Japan. There is a "5 second rule" here. Once it turns red, and your side is green, wait 5 seconds because multiple vehicles are running the light. And they have a thing here of sticking their hand out the window if they are going to do something stupid (left turn from the far right (passing) lane, etc.... And these are "professional drivers" (as stated by Japanese law, and $2000 for a license...... Don't get me started.

LuvMyTSX

I was one or two seconds away from getting creamed from the side today. Yet again, someone ran another stop sign, this time at around 40-45 mph from what I could judge. Luckily I was another second or two from making my left turn at the top of the hill. If I'd been in the middle of turning, I'd have gotten hit on the passenger side. WTF is wrong with people.

s3nta

how can someone beat up a picture of ur car with ur license plates going thru solid red light? just asking!

btw, here in chicago theyre everywhere now...it worked on me!

mrmako

No $hit.... I used to live off there too. About a block east of Albertson's on Royal Palm. The Condos on the left, coming from University. Small world, and yes, that intersection sucks ass.......

What I saw more of was the red light runners causing right lane turning traffic to stop, causing rear end collisions.

fuzzy02CLS

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I'm on the copans side closer to Lyons.

Danil ACE

I've seen what look to be camcorders on small poles above the traffic light. Are these red light cameras or not? Because I've seen these at plenty of low traffic intersections which don't warrant the need for such a camera. Or are these merely traffic sensors?

WdnUlik2no

I was almost creamed a few years ago at a traffic light late at night. I was sitting at the light and when it turned green, something told me to wait even though it was clear. (or so I thought). I just sit there at the green light and next thing I know, a pickup flies through the intersection going at least 60 mph. If I had gone, then I would have been dead.

i hate red light runners, almost as much as I hate people who speed through school zones, then get mad at you when you follow the speed limit.

ChrisQ1980

There is an intersection by my house that is very dangerous. Over the past 5 years 3 people have died, and many injuries. Countless accidents there. They need a steady left turn arrow. Everyone tries to run the light while turning and constant T-bones. I hear ya.

TzarChasm

Those are RFID sensors so that the government can pick up the chip in your head.