German cars 'among worst for engine failures', Honda most reliable
#81
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It would seem helpful to categorize the failures by forced induction and N/A engines. The number 1 & 2 makers purposely avoid forced induction due to reliability issues while BMW and Audi tend towards it.
#82
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#84
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Do you know which brand is more often used as a taxi throughout the world?
Mercedes Benz.
How do I know? Because the dude in Black Hawk Down was using one in Mogadishu.
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#86
Being many here have owned and currently own different makes of vehicles, we tend to question more about these surveys rather than just jump on the German hate wagon.
There are many questions and data that Warranty Direct havent released to show how they came up with their results.
What is their data pool and how many different models within each brand where considered, What do they consider an engine failure, Does this include TSB and recalls etc etc. Honda, Toyota etc dont have anywhere near the same variation of drivetrains in Europe compared to companies like VW/Audi, etc.....Did Audi have a recall on one of their diesel or turbo models that affected a particular model that would skew their results.
I just went to their UK site and compared an Audi A4 to a Accord (AKA: TSX) and in 5 out of 8 reliability categories the A4 was better and in the Engine category was more reliable than the Accord. The more surprising thing though was that Warranty Direct gave the A4 a Poor rating and the Accord an Excellent rating. This is one reason why I personally dont put much faith in sites like this and Consumer Reports etc as they seem to always contradict themselves. Warranty Direct appears to put alot of emphasis on the cost of the repairs to determine their results, but this can also skew their stats as obviously a luxury brand like BMW, Audi is going to be more costly to repair than Toyota or Honda.
Honestly i wasnt surprised when i saw the title, being Honda MOTOR Company was first considering they have always been a Motor company. The other side of that though is Honda rarely steps out and designs all new engines. Look at how old the J series is...it should be bullet proof considering how long its been around compared to the germans that seem to be always coming out with variations of different drivetrains...ie: Audi's and BMW's new turbo 4's, twin turbo V-8's, etc etc.....When you try to innovate or come out with new things unfortunatly there will be growing pains.
There are many questions and data that Warranty Direct havent released to show how they came up with their results.
What is their data pool and how many different models within each brand where considered, What do they consider an engine failure, Does this include TSB and recalls etc etc. Honda, Toyota etc dont have anywhere near the same variation of drivetrains in Europe compared to companies like VW/Audi, etc.....Did Audi have a recall on one of their diesel or turbo models that affected a particular model that would skew their results.
I just went to their UK site and compared an Audi A4 to a Accord (AKA: TSX) and in 5 out of 8 reliability categories the A4 was better and in the Engine category was more reliable than the Accord. The more surprising thing though was that Warranty Direct gave the A4 a Poor rating and the Accord an Excellent rating. This is one reason why I personally dont put much faith in sites like this and Consumer Reports etc as they seem to always contradict themselves. Warranty Direct appears to put alot of emphasis on the cost of the repairs to determine their results, but this can also skew their stats as obviously a luxury brand like BMW, Audi is going to be more costly to repair than Toyota or Honda.
Honestly i wasnt surprised when i saw the title, being Honda MOTOR Company was first considering they have always been a Motor company. The other side of that though is Honda rarely steps out and designs all new engines. Look at how old the J series is...it should be bullet proof considering how long its been around compared to the germans that seem to be always coming out with variations of different drivetrains...ie: Audi's and BMW's new turbo 4's, twin turbo V-8's, etc etc.....When you try to innovate or come out with new things unfortunatly there will be growing pains.
Now compare 2003 BMW 330 6MT with 2013 6MT 335. reliability hardly progress, very advance auto transmission needed for any fuel economic improvement. 6MT is more correct comparision as it eliminates transmission advancements.
and Hondas in EU are as expensive as 4 cylinder BMW once you factored more advance engines, free maintianance of German cars. so price is not an issue. you to understand Lexus is very small premium brand with top notch service selling only expensive hybrids in UK. Honda manage to come close that one.
#87
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^ Another useless survey
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