Moog-Type-S

You lost me right there.

Jakes_tl

Yea i saw that i messed up on that sentence and tried to correct it wouldn't let me edit it. Anyways what i was trying to say is my friend's dad is a tow truck driver for a company that do a lot of roadside assistant calls and most of the calls are for Audi's and VW's and most of them end up getting towed.

silver3.5

Just the other day I saw a newer Audi(2010+) getting towed by the side of the freeway! Uhmmm!

Moog-Type-S

Ah yes, the anecdotal evidence group is in agreement.

Black Tire

One of my co-workers mentioned to me today that a friends dad just got a brand new A8 this year. The moment they took it off the lot, the car broke down. Dealer couldn't figure out what went wrong, so they gave him another A8 of course.

I repeat "Dealer couldn't figure out what went wrong"...beware of Audi/VW!

Jakes_tl

This is my personal experience with my own car - I had a 2005 passat 1.8T AWD (made in Germany) - so one day i was going to work about 25-30 MPH and stepped on it to about 4500K RPM and ban it overheated right there and then so i had to have it towed home. Turned out that the water pump went out on me @ 40K miles on the car. When i pulled the water pump out (it was the one with the plastic propeller) it was cracked. I fixed it and drove it for a few thousand miles to make sure it ran good and sold it.

I wish passat's were made with Honda's or Toyota's quality because i really like the way the passat rides but oh well.

Costco

Other than the radiator, I don't know of many other manufacturers aside from BMW and VW who have a trend of faulty cooling system parts as a result of questionable plastic construction. Water pump impeller as mentioned, thermostat housings which crack, coolant reservoirs leaking, all of which have a strong potential to leave somebody stranded.

pttl

One time at band camp. My mom was dropping us off for practice in her one day old Passat. The fuckin thing burst into flames and burned my friends trombone. I saved my trumpet though.

pttl

The next day my dad dropped us off in his civic. But nothin happened. You know....cause hondas RULE!!!!!!

Legend2TL

+1, I've never understood the fascination of German engines with plastic in the cooling system components. My brother just had to replace the plastic cooling pipes in his 2004 Cayenne Turbo that reside in the middle of the V8. The pipes over time become brittle and have a systematic sudden failure. Of course the replacement pipes are aluminum.

MR1

Worldwide survey, talk about blaming the victim.

Sarlacc

We had the OG Toyota Minivan...the one with no name, pre-emblem, and the engine under the driver's seat. We had that thing for 13 years...bought in Kansas, shipped to Germany, shipped back to Rhode Island...driven to Georgia, from there to Texas...where it stayed until we finally sold it.

It blew a head gasket in Germany....new engine. On the drive moving from Georgia to Texas...blew another head gasket...didnt need a new engine, but needed to be rebuilt.

But you know hey...other than that, it was rock solid...

PortlandRL

A few weeks ago we had some lady come into Chevy service with her Suburban and complained that "this message keeps coming on". Turns out it was her 'Change Oil Now' alert and GM's system works a bit like Honda's; using driving habits and conditions to suggest an oil change. Well as it turns out she had been driving until it popped up and would then reset it until it came back on again. She did this for some 30,000 miles and never once changed the oil!! The tech who drained the oil said it came out like oatmeal and he recommended a full tear-down to assess the extent of the damage. She replied with, "No. Just put oil in it and it'll be fine."

juniorbean

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Totally took a different direction. It's really all irrelevent though b/c my cousin's sister's boyfriend's uncle's former landlord said Honda makes the most reliable engines, but they still suck... b/c no torque. So that really settled it for me.

But seriously... other then the OP trolling (as usual), not really sure the point of this thread. Was there really any question that Honda builds reliable engines? Regardless of what brand you like or don't like, I think that's pretty much a given.


Same way you (and others) saying that they see German cars broken down or that they get towed a lot means it was engine related and somehow relates to the OP. For all we know they could have run out of gas or had a flat, etc...

BTW, here's your change

fsttyms1

Fixed

Jakes_tl

[QUOTE=juniorbean;14278031] Totally took a different direction. It's really all irrelevent though b/c my cousin's sister's boyfriend's uncle's former landlord said Honda makes the most reliable engines, but they still suck... b/c no torque. So that really settled it for me.

But seriously... other then the OP trolling (as usual), not really sure the point of this thread. Was there really any question that Honda builds reliable engines? Regardless of what brand you like or don't like, I think that's pretty much a given.


Same way you (and others) saying that they see German cars broken down or that they get towed a lot means it was engine related and somehow relates to the OP. For all we know they could have run out of gas or had a flat, etc...

Actually i know for a fact that they get towed mostly because of a serious issues and i don't mean running out of gas or a flat tire. My good friend that works for a towing company told me they tow more audi's and vw's then any other makes and that is because of mechanical, electrical or cooling issues.

MTEAZY

Jakes_tl

I think everyone is just having fun. You know what they say about options? options are are like butt holes, everyone has one.

Sarlacc

you mean opinions...

oo7spy

Is it really trolling to find an article about a research based survey on car engines and posting the results in the Car Talk section of an automotive forum, especially one intended to gather information on the brand that had the best results? Now, if this were a BMW, Audi, & VW forum and he came in touting how unreliable they were to stir ...

Oh, I get it.

Jakes_tl

thanks - must have been going through a brain fart while typing that.

oo7spy

You should probably get your gastronuerological system checked out.

probmxstyle

The same can be said for many manufacturers. Nissan/Infiniti, VW/Audi, and GM are a few that come to mind.

juniorbean

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I don't know... I had a some options a few years back that smelled like butt hole. Off loaded them quickly though... no harm no foul

Mr Marco

ttribe

Moog-Type-S

What we all have learned from this thread: options are are like butt holes, everyone has one.

csmeance

BMW has a HOST of problems with their V8's and most of their lineups.

For example, the N62 V8 uses in ALL bmw models since around 2002 has had a TON of failures:

1. Valve Stem Seals failing -> 4K to fix
2. Valve Gasket Failures -> 2K to fix
3. EGR system failure -> B/w 500 and 14K to fix
4. Valley Pan Seal Failure
5. Main coolant line failure
6. Water Pump failures

and that's only a few of the small issues plaguing BMW. They are running all of their cars at around 105 Celcius now which is leading to increasing failures, and as well pushing factory parts beyond their limits. The ZF transmission which has continually failed in EVERY 745, 750 and 760 produced from 2002 to 2008 was reused in the new 7 series and 5 series with EVEN MORE POWER. It's Torque ratings were 445 Ft.lbs of torque and they are being pushed by almost 100HP with the Alpina B7 and Dinan Tunes!

Black Tire

In terms of reliability, just look around you when you drive. Do you see a lot of old German cars?
Reasons are that they are too expensive to maintain and they break down frequently.

I used to see loads of Audi Q5 and Q7. Now I’ll be lucky to even see even one.

ttribe

Not a particularly useful way of collecting data in order to answer questions about the entire population of "German cars".

MR1

I just don't understand why so many threw rocks at the survey?

cp3117

Being many here have owned and currently own different makes of vehicles, we tend to question more about these surveys rather than just jump on the German hate wagon.

There are many questions and data that Warranty Direct havent released to show how they came up with their results.

What is their data pool and how many different models within each brand where considered, What do they consider an engine failure, Does this include TSB and recalls etc etc. Honda, Toyota etc dont have anywhere near the same variation of drivetrains in Europe compared to companies like VW/Audi, etc.....Did Audi have a recall on one of their diesel or turbo models that affected a particular model that would skew their results.

I just went to their UK site and compared an Audi A4 to a Accord (AKA: TSX) and in 5 out of 8 reliability categories the A4 was better and in the Engine category was more reliable than the Accord. The more surprising thing though was that Warranty Direct gave the A4 a Poor rating and the Accord an Excellent rating. This is one reason why I personally dont put much faith in sites like this and Consumer Reports etc as they seem to always contradict themselves. Warranty Direct appears to put alot of emphasis on the cost of the repairs to determine their results, but this can also skew their stats as obviously a luxury brand like BMW, Audi is going to be more costly to repair than Toyota or Honda.

Honestly i wasnt surprised when i saw the title, being Honda MOTOR Company was first considering they have always been a Motor company. The other side of that though is Honda rarely steps out and designs all new engines. Look at how old the J series is...it should be bullet proof considering how long its been around compared to the germans that seem to be always coming out with variations of different drivetrains...ie: Audi's and BMW's new turbo 4's, twin turbo V-8's, etc etc.....When you try to innovate or come out with new things unfortunatly there will be growing pains.

MR1

cp3117, thanks I get it. Your response is reasonable and contains some factual information. Attacking transmissions or other aspects do not. Survey providers frequently start with an agenda or measure things we may not care about, that's understood.

I am just amused when people start defending their sacred cows/cars with unrelated information and hear-say. Might have thought somebody said their kid was ugly or dumb.

Fibonacci

Indeed.

It's almost comical how certain members of krautzine troll this forum. Bottom line: buy what you like. No need to get huffy for silly reasons.

If anything, it still amazes me even after all the foibles and self-induced errors that HondAcura has foisted upon itself in recent years: so many people STILL have affection for the brand and STILL actually care to see them dust off the old playbook and get back to their winning ways.

juniorbean

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I see lots of old German cars. Many old Mercedes, Audi's, and even BMW's... most in great condition. I see lots of old Honda's too. Even saw a sweet Acura Legend the other day.


For those who haven't quite figured it out yet... most were throwing rocks at the OP. The survey was just collateral damage

NwTSXmt

only german ride I will ever want is one from the luxo division of VW...The rest are crap...jmho

ttribe

Fibonacci

JB, I don't hang out enough in the boys locker room to know who's snapping who's jockstrap. :wink:


This thread has obviously clarified that Honda builds engines which blow up and leave motorists stranded and ACWeinerSchnitzels are bulletproof and cheap to maintain.

juniorbean

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Whenever a thread like this comes up, most of the former Acura owners bring up the tranny. It's more of a running joke at this point. I think we all know that overall, Honda/Acura tend to be more reliable then their German counterparts. It kind of goes without saying, which is why the first few replies were tranny related. Just OG's keeping the gag going

Even those of us who jumped ship long ago secretly wish Acura would go back to their former glory. I've even thought about picking up a high-mileage '02-'03 TLS as a commuter since I figure if it has high enough mileage with no issues, it's likely one of the good ones. But every time Acura makes an announcement of a new model or redesign I get excited, only to be let down time and time again. If you read through this forum and Automotive News... I'd say that most others are the same way... they tune in to see the new whatever, only to be let down by a beak or vanilla design, etc. I will say the new NSX has popped onto my radar. Very anxious to see what that looks like in 100% production trim. If I were in the market for a standard family type vehicle... the new Accord is pretty sweet as well. Curious to see how Acura stops the tailspin over the next few years. If the Accord is any indication, we may be heading in the right direction.

juniorbean

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Oh and MTEAZY, we (admins, mods) can still read deleted posts. Since when are you so sensitive?