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civicdrivr 10-04-2012 01:43 PM

Congrats!! I expect a progress thread.

CLtotheTL32 10-04-2012 02:05 PM

:cheers:

SuperTrooper169 10-04-2012 03:02 PM

Can't wait to see the ST! Congrats! :cheers:

I was soooo close to buying a Focus SVT in '03 when I was looking at hot hatches. I ended up with an '04 Civic Si but needless to say I've always been a fan of the performance variant of the Focus. I'm sure it's going to be a fun car.

chill_dog 10-04-2012 06:57 PM

Congrats! Looking forward the progress thread.

Costco 10-04-2012 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by MarbleGT (Post 14079134)
My Mazda has crotch vents for both the driver and passenger.

Passenger as well?! That's awesome


Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169 (Post 14079230)
The stock tune for the DISI motors are very conservative, but that's not the reason for being prone for ZZB. The stock tunes run rich to prevent knock but in turn create more fuel being dumped back into the valves. As well they're tuned with prevention in mind, so if some f*cktard puts 87 octane in it'll still run and not blow up. It'll run like crap but it will run. Also the stock spark plugs are basically at their heat range limit with the stock tune, so the very first thing you're supposed to do before tuning with an AP is get step colder plugs. The high flow fuel pump is also close to it's limit for holding fuel pressure with the stock tune/parts, so if you mod beyond the basic bolt-ons, such as installing a downpipe, mainfold, etc. you need to upgrade the fuel pump internals to be able to handle the increased fuel flow. I've decided to not go with a downpipe so I'm still using my stock internals but my logs show steady fuel pressure during WOT runs.

The real reason for ZZB though is the car being a relative performance bargain being put into the hands of kids just getting their license and thinking it's a race car. More often than not it's because of simple abuse, dropping the hammer on it constantly or boosting at too low RPMs causing all that excessive boost in the cylinders. There has been it happening (supposedly) to someone while just crusing at a steady speed out of boost, but I'm suspicious about that. But I personally run an off the shelf COBB tune simply because it's much better than the stock tune but still safe enough that I'm not pushing the limit since this is my daily driver. Some MS6/MS3 guys are tuning on E85 and making HUGE power. It's not uncommon to see 500+ hp out of the DISIs now, of course with big turbos, not stock units, but still that's insane for a sub-$30,000 car IMO.

:cheers: thanks for clearing that up. I've looked at MS3s and MS6s many times in the past... haven't completely singled them out yet either, just out of my price range at the moment.

Costco 10-04-2012 10:44 PM

If there aren't pics within a week of you actually taking delivery of your ST, I'll personally assemble a lynch mob and come knockin' on your door!

Aman 10-04-2012 10:59 PM

Well if the ST's in his driveway... :tomato:

Costco 10-04-2012 11:02 PM

What do you think the lynch mob is for?

They'll be there to hang up photos of his ST for him once we all take pics, since it'll be a week (a week too long) since he got it. Duh :O

RPhilMan1 10-05-2012 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Costco (Post 14080805)
If there aren't pics within a week of you actually taking delivery of your ST, I'll personally assemble a lynch mob and come knockin' on your door!

The mob better wait about six weeks. It still has to be built. :tomato:

Aman 10-05-2012 09:33 AM

More time to assemble. :O

RPhilMan1 10-05-2012 10:20 AM

ST vs GTI vs MS3

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3

Interesting comparison.

SuperTrooper169 10-05-2012 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by RPhilMan1 (Post 14081544)
ST vs GTI vs MS3

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3

Interesting comparison.

6.5 second 0-60 for the MS3???? That's the slowest performance numbers I've ever seen from a car mag with it. Hmm, wonder how much Ford is paying Road and Track? That's just not realistic. I've never seen any 0-60 times close to that, let alone even close to the 6 second range. Not knocking the ST or GTI, but those numbers just don't make sense.

civicdrivr 10-05-2012 12:07 PM

tl,dr - Skip to page 5 :rofl:

dreem1er 10-05-2012 12:37 PM

6 Weeks...couldn't you wait 5 1/2 Weeks to say your getting it, so we don't have to wait for pics

Mr. Maker 10-05-2012 12:39 PM

Looking for a new vehicle since our Trailblazer just totaled. I may get another Trailblazer. We liked it and it definitely saved my wife and two young daughters life's. Maybe early 2000's Tahoe. Not really sure. Going to do a lot more thinking over the weekend. Any input would be appreciated.

ttribe 10-05-2012 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Maker (Post 14081985)
Looking for a new vehicle since our Trailblazer just totaled. I may get another Trailblazer. We liked it and it definitely saved my wife and two young daughters life's. Maybe early 2000's Tahoe. Not really sure. Going to do a lot more thinking over the weekend. Any input would be appreciated.

Everyone okay?

civicdrivr 10-05-2012 01:00 PM

Woah! You guys OK? Did you post a thread about it?

Mr. Maker 10-05-2012 01:29 PM

Thank the lord they are okay. I posted about about it a few days back in SWEDT. It was bad. Hydroplaned and flipped. My wife has major soreness and some minor bruises and cuts. My 2 daughters remarkable only had a little rashing on their necks from the child seats. I will post a thread here when I decide on a new vehicle and include some wreaked pictures and a little more background. There are some pictures in the SWEDT if you want to check them out. It truly is a miracle. Scariest day of my wife's life and mine.

civicdrivr 10-05-2012 01:39 PM

Im glad theyre mostly OK. That just reminds me how horrible VA roads are when it comes to drainage :annoyed:

ttribe 10-05-2012 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Maker (Post 14082117)
Thank the lord they are okay. I posted about about it a few days back in SWEDT. It was bad. Hydroplaned and flipped. My wife has major soreness and some minor bruises and cuts. My 2 daughters remarkable only had a little rashing on their necks from the child seats. I will post a thread here when I decide on a new vehicle and include some wreaked pictures and a little more background. There are some pictures in the SWEDT if you want to check them out. It truly is a miracle. Scariest day of my wife's life and mine.

Terrifying. Glad to hear they are okay.

crazyasiantl 10-05-2012 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Maker (Post 14081985)
Looking for a new vehicle since our Trailblazer just totaled. I may get another Trailblazer. We liked it and it definitely saved my wife and two young daughters life's. Maybe early 2000's Tahoe. Not really sure. Going to do a lot more thinking over the weekend. Any input would be appreciated.

cant go wrong with a last gen 4Runner. :shrug:

i really like them

crazyasiantl 10-05-2012 02:33 PM

so what do you guys think about a TDI? long term benefits, upkeep, ect?

my MS3 is barely averaging 25mpg 75%highway/25% city, and i drive roughly 400 miles a week.

i can barely get 300 miles to a tank with the car and premium isnt getting any cheaper.

I would look into a Jetta more than likely since an A3 TDI (used) is way out of my range.

any benefits to a TDI, or should i stick to a regular 4 banger? i was considering buying an 8th Gen AV6 coupe since they seem to get pretty close to 30mpg while using regular 87.

feedback is welcome.

civicdrivr 10-05-2012 02:46 PM

How much do you owe on the MS3? How much is diesel in CA compared to 91 octane? How much will you get for the MS3 and how much will a Jetta TDI run you?

Aman 10-05-2012 03:04 PM

^ Dunno if it's similar in the states, but here diesel prices go up and down all over the place. Sometimes well below 87, sometimes more than 91.

From what I've seen, TDIs hold their value like crazy. Great when selling, frustrating when buying. :annoyed:

I sort of wish I got a TDI instead of a 2.0, but they were so much more expensive...

Maker, what's your budget?

crazyasiantl 10-05-2012 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by civicdrivr (Post 14082368)
How much do you owe on the MS3? How much is diesel in CA compared to 91 octane? How much will you get for the MS3 and how much will a Jetta TDI run you?

I owe about 10k on the mazda with a previous accident. autocheck doesnt not show an accident and im not sure about the carfax. car is perfect except for some rock chips. kbb excellent condition is almost 15k.

i havent looked at TDI's yet. just throwing out the idea. but id like to dump the mazda. insurance is 155/month :ugh:

as far as fuel costs, its kinda all over. less than 87 and more than 91.


Originally Posted by Aman (Post 14082434)
^ Dunno if it's similar in the states, but here diesel prices go up and down all over the place. Sometimes well below 87, sometimes more than 91.

From what I've seen, TDIs hold their value like crazy. Great when selling, frustrating when buying. :annoyed:

I sort of wish I got a TDI instead of a 2.0, but they were so much more expensive...

TDIs do seem to hold their value.

im just skeptical about going german.

RPhilMan1 10-05-2012 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Maker (Post 14082117)
Thank the lord they are okay. I posted about about it a few days back in SWEDT. It was bad. Hydroplaned and flipped. My wife has major soreness and some minor bruises and cuts. My 2 daughters remarkable only had a little rashing on their necks from the child seats. I will post a thread here when I decide on a new vehicle and include some wreaked pictures and a little more background. There are some pictures in the SWEDT if you want to check them out. It truly is a miracle. Scariest day of my wife's life and mine.

Wow, sorry to hear. Wish them a speedy recovery.

speedemon90 10-05-2012 05:02 PM

i'd consider the golf tdi over the jetta tdi. Its a ltl more expensive, but the quality of the car is a lot better.

As for reliability, I dont see why the engine would have problems. But if you go golf there is quite an expensive 40k transmission service. My friend got one a couple months ago, seems like a well built car. I'd get a golf tdi if i was in your situation. And seeing how you're coming from a ms3 you'll still appreciate the hatch

crazyasiantl 10-05-2012 05:22 PM

shit, i forgot all about the Golf :tomato:

i like, but i think i would go DSG

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

Rick_TL-S 10-05-2012 08:08 PM

Was a pretty good day today. :D
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1995/masx.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2440/911j.jpg
Quattro. S & 991 Carrera 4S.

ttribe 10-05-2012 08:10 PM

^^^Vents are above the Nav screen; those must be crap cars.

Rick_TL-S 10-05-2012 08:42 PM

They are. 1's a complicated Italian with no explanation of what each button does & one is an oversized Beetle.

:tomato:

speedemon90 10-05-2012 09:15 PM

mmmm did you get to drive them?

Rick_TL-S 10-05-2012 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by speedemon90 (Post 14083046)
mmmm did you get to drive them?

Part of the job. :tongue:

speedemon90 10-05-2012 11:19 PM

bitch

haha jk, damn jealous :sad:

nspec_ya4 10-06-2012 02:23 PM

I was wondering if there is anyone else on this forum with a Viper or a Raptor?

civicdrivr 10-06-2012 02:28 PM

There is another member that has a Viper and I honestly cant remember his name. He also had a 355 IIRC.

Rick_TL-S 10-06-2012 02:47 PM

You're thinking of G & he had a Viper. I think it's been replaced by a Bentley Continental SS.

civicdrivr 10-06-2012 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Rick_TL-S (Post 14083963)
You're thinking of G & he had a Viper. I think it's been replaced by a Bentley Continental SS.

He sold the Viper?? :sad:

Didnt he get the motor built?

CLtotheTL32 10-06-2012 03:13 PM

Damn, I can't believe he sold it.

Rick_TL-S 10-06-2012 04:18 PM

If I remember right, he said the car was full of issues & always broken.


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