Two answer all questions my car ran a 14.2 in the quarter, also I had no additional weight in the car. The G35 is a faster car who cares, lets face it it is a 3.5 we are a 3.2. I reviewed that video & let me tell you the G35 was not racing he was not even trying cause I did not hear that engine roar like the one I raced. I have work done to my car and its loud but when buddy punched it I could hear it. All I am saying is our car is less expensive then the coupe and still is almost as fast. I LOVE MY CLS & always will.

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Well said - over in the G forum there is pretty much agreement that the G in the video did not punch it - the VQ sounds totally different at high revs (over 5K) than it does, even when accelerating hard, under that. It definitely howls - I think the reason for this is that the dual exhaust Nissan/Infiniti put on the coupe only uses one pipe through most of the normal band of acceleration - but over a certain point, the second one kicks in and that makes much of the difference.

In the video you never hear that sound. The first time I heard that was coming out of a booth in a toll plaza when a modded Civic tried to cut over in front of me (cutting across three lanes to do so while staring at me in challenge) suffice it say the VQ was unleashed and the howls that TDOT heard came out and echoed around the plaza - the car was a completely different animal when I gunned it over 5K. (btw, the Civic never had a chance....)

That video is dangerously close to voyeuristic material for BMW fanatics - particularly insecure ones.

Torque - I have SCCA events at the end of this month and through most of April. I will monitor the meets section and see if there is a time I can get away in May or June.

Zapata - Kindly cut the insults - show some manners. If you want to dis my argument, fine, you're welcome to do that, but to call me an "idiot" doesn't impress me or anyone else.

Speaking of arguments - since when is the issue M3? If a car has 15K more in cost on it and it is supposed to be a sports car - which the M3 most definitely is - then it should smoke a G35 or CL. If it's an E46 then even a Boxster S is going to have problems with it! (but then a Boxster S is in the same price class.)

Why bring up the cost of the M3 when I was calling you out on the absurdity of questioning TDOT's loss to the G coupe on the basis of weight or shifting? Are you saying he wasn't trying? Or that he had returned from buying boat anchors? Maybe he had heavy gas? Boy, you're just looking for excuses - to me 15K isn't an excuse - it's a reason (15,000 of them!) while a coupe of extra jugs of anti-freeze and racing in fourth/fifth looks like scrambling for justification.

Maybe you should just ask him if he is an inexperienced driver? (Although putting a 14.2 on the board says to me he knows what he is doing.)

There are lots of cars out there faster than my G coupe - but the CL-S (as long as it's stock) isn't one of them. That isn't the end of the world - like it isn't the end of the world if a WRX or F-body smokes me from a stop or roll or an S2K wails on me in AutoX (which will most likely happen very soon!)

- Riff

 

Agreed but not ever race is ideal for the car. That's just because the car runs a 14.0 in the 1/4 doesn't immediately give other cars no shot of winning. I've run head to head with e36's and have faired well. Niether car really gaining. Modified. I know I wouldn't have an issue.

 

Maybe in your area but that is a very optimistic time for a stock E36 M3 manual around here. 14.2 - 14.4 was more in line with what I have seen. It is a fantastic car nonetheless, but acceleration was not its forte.

It also only trapped at about 97 - 98 MPH at best, again in my area. So the ET was a product of being able to launch well. Match the trap to a CL-S6 and they are comparable.

The E36 M3 is much more than acceleration contests, so it is not unheard of to be beat in this arena....

 

There's no way a CL-S 6spd with intake, header etc. will lose to a G35C 6spd by 2.5 cars!! The moons probably weren't aligned, because that's just not possible!! Did the G35C get the move on you?

 

My point was that more than likely that G35 was not stock.

Seeing how you ran a low 14 time which should be in line with a stock G35, you should not lose by that margin. That is if both drivers are more than capable of shifting in a normal fashion.

 

Well, the M3 definately has got something... S/C is my guess

 

riff,
You say you aren't making excuses but continue to bring up the cost of the car. When you race, ya run what ya brung.....no if ands or buts. Once you say the race is on then it doesn't matter what you've spent on the car. If you loose you take it, if you win you celebrate but don't start qualifying wins and loses by how much money sticker price. That's pathetic. What you've failed to mention is the cars are YEARS apart in technology with the upper hand going to the g35. But i guess it doesn't count cause the sticker prices aren't the same
Knowing the facts of TDOT's car and the type of power it puts down makes me question how and why he lost by 2.5 car lengths. Bad launch? Missed shift?

 

The car just JUMPS once the driver gets on it.

 

My point was that more than likely that G35 was not stock.
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There are very few mods for the G35 out there - Injen has CAI for it and there some cat-back systems just coming out, but there is no FI available from Nismo/R-Spec/Stillen or any third parties either.

There are also no ECU mods available yet - either as part of an FI solution or standalone.

So, IF the coupe driver was lying (he said he wasn't modded - and AFAIK anyone who mods their car is proud of it and admits it to everyone, even those who don't ask!) and he was modded - the CAI and cat-back might (MIGHT) add 10-20 hp.

He might be running racing gas - but that would only add a few ponies at most.

The other mods available - brakes, sway/strut bars, etc., have nothing to do with pure speed on the straight. Unless you count Nismo stickers - I hear they add almost as much per sticker as a VTEC sticker does!

- Riff

 

Also, German horsepower seems to be quite a bit stronger than Japanese horsepower Either that, or BMW consistently underrates their HP figures.

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Nissan definitely bloats the figures - and BMW is a lot more on the mark with their. So the "lower" figures that an M3 has as a spec are more than equal to the "higher" ones of a G35 or CL-S.

The G35 coupe is supposed to have 287 at the crank - most dyno tests show it getting 220 or so. Even accounting for drive train loss, that is a bit much to off lose from what you would expect, given the specs.

I would assume that Honda mirrors the approach Nissan takes on HP and is "optimistic" shall we say when giving out numbers on ponies.

The VQ and VTEC are great engines - but the inline six from BMW is a true beast itself. If BMW says they are getting 333 ponies from a 3.2 liter displacement - and without FI - that merits a few bows!

Btw - I am not here to dis the CL-S only to straighten out some ridiculous statements about the G coupe. I have not once said the CL-S is "weak", because it isn't - something more than a few posters have absurdly said about the G35C. I like Acura's - had one for five years (Legend coupe.) In fact, I didn't even like Nissan's and especially Infiniti's until the G35 came out! The FM platform plus the VQ are a great combo. When they work a bit more on the traction control and tidy up the interior - it will be even better.

- Riff

 

As previously mentioned, this is not about knocking the G35; it is a fine vehicle...

But you failed to acknowledge that there are non-specific vehicle mods such as nitrous.

You are correct about the WHP numbers as back in December myself and a G35 owner (now moved to Texas, DrRick) were at the dyno. I pulled 247 WHP in a similarly modded CL-S6 as CLTYPESINTDOT to a 224 WHP stock G35 6-Speed.

Considering both cars weigh within ten lbs of one another and the CL-S6 makes torque longer, if both drivers were adequate the CL-S6 should pull slightly ahead. But certainly not lose by that margin mentioned.

 

That would be J-Series motors. VTEC is a function, not the motor designation...

 

Yes yes - Variable Timing and Lift Electronic Control - but many call Honda/Acura engines VTEC's.

- Riff

 

Your a FOOL if you believe that a "Stock/modified(I/E)" G35C6 will beat a CLS6 with I/E/H!!

 

GEARING, GEARING, GEARING!!! WEIGHT, WEIGHT, WEIGHT!
the reason BMW's are fast is because of aggressive gearing, and low weight!

ALSO, I don't think honda overstates their horsepower/torque numbers at all!! they are not a company know for "BIG HP/TQ" figures! NOW you know that!! come on now! If the company was a HP carzed as Nissan, they would have come out with a more powerful NSX, by now!!

 

You're a cool guy, Zapata, but sometimes you post the silliest things!

There is no supercharger sound, nor is there a wastegate or blow-off valve sound. Nor does it sound like his engine is juiced on nitrous.

I would wager the M3 had intake, cam gears, and headers at the most. The way he walked away from that G35 was beautiful. G35 auto is certainly no faster than a CLS auto, and most likely a bit slower judging by that raping.

 

thats the first I've ever heard them called a general name, like VTEC!

 

i havn't raced a G35 manual or auto but have driven the auto and I can tell you its NOT that strong up top.

My friend also has a E36 4 door sedan which I have raced NUMEROUS times and I can walk it no problem up to about 110 mph w/ about a 2 car length, havn't raced passed 110 cause thats when 4th gear kicks in and where the E36 M3 shines.

His car has a CAI, and Exhaust.

I've also did a friendsly race with BMWMPOWER from dtmpower.net cause I use to work with him on that same road where I filmed my 0~90 mph and he we where dead on until I hit vtech range where I would pull a little on each gear.

His car had Shark injector(some kind of ecu thing),I/H/E , short shifter .

Another time I raced a E36 M3 Coupe manual was infront of my work on eisenhower again leaving for home with a guy who works near my building. It was a blue manual which was completely stock. Atleast this is what he told me after the race.

We started from a roll 20mph and I took him 3 times from 20~100mph.

Im pretty sure an auto CL-S with I/H/E can take a E36 m3 no problem until they hit triple digits

 

Jrock,
thanks for the eval Agreed, after all_motor's post I was thinking i don't here any S/C whine but didn't get around to posting my thoughts. It's anybody's guess.

 

any g35 lurkers from SA or Austin want to race????

sidemarker

 

C'mon guys... how on earth do you think you will hear a faint supercharger whine (on a street car) when its filmed one-car over... window open... driving at high speeds with all that wind noise? The M3 supercharger kits arn't a roots-type blower, by the way... its setup similar to the S2000... you don't hear a 'whine' per say.

 

Just to add my somewhat unrelated experience tonight, but I think it will show the strength of the VQ, I finally hit 600 miles on my 350Z (6 speed), and I decided to finally open her up a little. I met up with my friend who has a '01 S4. He is completely stock except for rims which are slightly lighter than stock.

On the highway going 65, we raced until ~110. I had him by a little under a car lengh to 110 and he actually got a slight jump. He said afterwards he was totally suprised by the power my Z had.

I know the Z is not a G35, but my engine is definitely stronger than my Auto CLS with I/H. My friend's S4 pulled on me pretty badly in the CLS.

I think all of this G35 hating is unwarranted. It's a very nice car, amazing handling, great styling and a strong engine.

Let's see a race between a G35c and a CLS stock v stock before we talk.

 

WHat hating? Somebody explain it to me.

 

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Hating may be too strong a word, but much of what seemed to be posted is how the G35c is slow, the VQ is overrated, etc...

My feelings are that we can't accurately judge the performance of the car from a video which we know nothing about (was the G35c running all-out; what were the mods on the M3; etc.)

On paper, the G35c SHOULD be faster than a CLS - RWD, lighter, more HP/Torque, better tires (wider and stickier).

Is it in real life? We can't judge from this video. A race or comparing time slips from the same track will be a more accurate comparison.

I'd gladly run any CLS in a friendly race one day with my Z

 

Most indications are that the G35 coupe is faster than the CLS. Did you see the latest R&T. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds! That is fast. I bet the G35 sedan is neck to neck with the CLS though.

Hey Cusdaddy, did you test drive the G35c before going with the 350Z?

 

can't get much from that video other than its a fast bmw. heres some other spercharged e36 vids, can't hear the whine
http://www.enigma247.co.uk/videos/modena.mpg
http://www.enigma247.co.uk/videos/diablo.mpg
http://www.enigma247.co.uk/videos/f355.mpg
http://www.enigma247.co.uk/videos/turbo.mpg

 

HOLYY SHIT!!! did that m3 just hit 309 KMH = 193mph

 

Also I don't think the Centrifugal (the one used on the da motorsport m3, comptech s2k) make a whine sound, only the root type blowers make the whine

 

I did. I actually pre-ordered the G35c and then decided to go with the Z. I test drove a 6-speed G35c, and it felt pretty similar to the Z, maybe only slightly slower than the Z.

BTW, my friend is getting an auto touring Z. I'll drive that and see how it feels.

We are both going to go to E-Town probably in a month or so. We'll try and make it when some CL's go to race for fun...

 

Whenever you guys are heading down to Etown, let us know. I want to join in on the fun. Hopefully by that time, I will have dumped my Craptenzas for a set of Yoko AVS.

 

Well the VQ is a nice engine but based a few dynos we've seen the 280hp that is stated seems to be a little fib.


We are car enthusiates but that doesn't preclude us from having favorites. Some people are more tied to a particular car manufacturer than others. Look at sports and even this crap about the french( despite all their help in the war against terrorism) people still get worked up. Most of it is just banter that we can have a chuckle about. When we go to the track......nobody is having knife fights. In fact, it's pretty friendly. What do you think the ford and chevy guys do? Some of the stuff i used to hear about in the old muscle car days would make what's being said on this board pretty weak.


G35c manual Weight: 3435 lbs.
G35c auto Weight: 3442 lbs. I can't believe the auto is only 7lbs heavier.

G35 isn't that much lighter than the 6mt and isn't putting down much more power. So you can see why people on this board wouldn't automatically ready to accept the g35 is going to win.

You are right. From the video it's hard to tell because you don't know what mods etc., but you can get an idea. Again, this is an acura board watching a video of one of our competitors......what do you expect to be said?

 

I agree that the sedan isn't any faster than the CLS but the Z has been putting down around 240 whp from the dynos at my350z.com. From freshalloy, the coupe seems to be dynoing around the same +/- 5 hp. It does seem that the auto trannys from Nissan aren't as efficient though as the Honda trannys although they are probably built with better tolerances (the tranny is from the Q45). Nissan manual trannys are not nearly as good as Honda's though.

 

If its a V1 Centrifugal Vortech Blower it will make a whine and be loud. If its a V2 one, they are silent.

 

Also after watching those videos, if that M3 was supercharged that ran the G35, it would have smoked the G35 alot worse than it actually did.

 

No it isnt....Its clearly a aftermarket S/S Muffler. Stock E36 M3's don't sound like that.

 

Oh you won't see me argue about the Z

 

does anyone know what the M3 e36 and g35c (both auto and stick) are running at the track??

sidemarker

 

That video with Modena is the best top end race ever! That M3 is sick!

 

I dont know how these cl 6 speeders r driving thier cars..When i say this i am not bullshitting but i have raced about 3 g35 coupes. One of em a 6 spd happens to belong to my neighbor,
The autos i smoked past them by 3 rd gear no competition whatsoever. The 6 spd could never pass up on me...When i say never i mean it...cuz we gunned it atleast 3 times and the l;ast run lasted till bout 90mph PLUS,.
I have no clue why g35 Cs get more respect then they deserve...in my opinion the only plus thing they have is the fact they r RWD. But comming from an experienced driver...the I like the 260 acura ponies over the rather WEAKER 280 infinity ponies. Dont get me wrong...i generally like those cars.....but i dont understand ppl who think the CL 6 SPDS R SLOW?? They r not.

PH

 

And have u also seen 0-60 times of 7.6 secs on a tl type S?? or so many other times that r freaking out of nowhere?? HONESTLY i have stopped beliving in mag numbers cuz they r very inconsistent.