I wonder how GM is going to deal with this problem.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=44955

 

It's an alignment issue, it's been pretty widely known for sometime, and it really only effects 2004 and early 2005 models.

In 90% of cases a simple alignment and setting the front as close to 0 as possible has solved the issue.


It's definately something that everyone is "scared" of on the gto forum, even though actual reported problesm are minimal. But as stated, pontiac has released new alignment specs that solve the problem.

 

maybe GM, in their infinite car design wisdom, shouldn't have put wider tires on the car without seeing if they'd fit first. they should have kept the monaro's 233mm.

 

65 complaints out of 40,000 cars, seems to be a lot better then the alignment issues Nissan had w/ the Z

 

???
What was the problem with the z?

 

The first couple of years had excessive negative camber from the factory, causing tires to get run down to the wire in less then 10K. Of the 3 Z owners I know closely, 2 of them had problems, and for some reason it was tough to get away from it even going as far positive as they could. They fixed the issue I believe by changing some of the geometry about half way through the build cycle (I could be completely wrong on this, the Z owners will chime in)

 

damn...tat sucks. I was considering one before I picked up a used g35...good thing I didn't. having a backseat and sunroof is cooler anyway...lol

 

and I believe 8 out of those 65 actually had a blown out tire. I know it's very minimal, but it is definately something that would be in the back of your mind at all times wondering when/where this could happen.

 

...the GTO has an enormous backseat.

 

Every now and then I am surprised about the back seat in coupes. Those were soooooo comfortable in the GTO. I am always surprised in the back of my cl too, after spending some time in the back of my friends G35c.

 

Well, common sense plays into effect as well. This problem can honeslty happen to any car that' sout of alignment (not hitting the strut, but being out of alignment and wearing down to the wire very quickly). You should always inspect your tires every few thousand miles, rotate, etc. If you are doing this, you'll catch the problem before anything bad can happen.

 

backseat is way bigger then in the G35, that was my other choice for a car.


Just found the G to be "boring"

 

Does it need any other problem than being made by GM?

 

My bad, I meant my g35...but yeah, for a coupe, the GTO does have a spacious rear. Apprently though, it's not too comfy huh?

 

Agree. I was going to say the same thing. SImple common sens and inspecting your car every now and then would eliminate any severe problems you might have with this issue

 

You stated it correctly pretty much. I went through 2 sets of front tires in my 2003 Z (once at 12,000 miles and the second at 28,000 miles). The good thing is thatt they were covered under an extended warranty. The third set they gave me were specially designed to resolve the issue.

The 2004.5 model also had a revised suspension which resolved the problem.

 

Just curious, have you ever been in a GTO? Because it doesn't sound like you have

 

The same could be said for my award winning Honda Made Acura TL that went rhough more trannies than i have fingers.

 

nope. never. just going by what I've seen on the road and what I heard here. closest to being in back of a gto was when a black one roared past me on I76 nbear Philly. pretty mean that v8....

 

well then, just to let you know, it's got a lot of backseat space. And the front seats were rated some of the most comfortable in a car to date (btw, the same seats are in the back )

 

That's pretty hot...bench seats I assume? I'm not fond of the seat with the plastic lump in the middle like the g35...

 

no, rear buckets


click the 2nd picture in "interiors"

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/gallery.jsp

 

i know someone who had owned the current Z. One had issues with his first and got a 2nd. The 2nd was filed via lemon law and he currently owns an s2000.

 

:threadhighjack:

Anyway, it's still bad to hear of something like this. Kind of like when someone went and bought a brand new CL back in the day only to find out about the faulty transmissions. Granted, the numbers for our trannys were much more extravagent, a car owner doesnt wanna hear there's a recall on something that could potentially injure you if not corrected.

 

I got my subframes aligned by the Pedders dealer when I did my suspension, and now I can fit 245s in front and 275s in back without any strut rub.

If Pontiac had kept the 235mm tires on the car this wouldn't even be an issue. It's just that North American roads being what they are, they didn't want to make an 18" rim standard equipment, so the 235/18 became optional while the 245/17 is standard.

 

In all honesty, this isn't anywhere close to the transmission problems of the CL. You are talking about an issue that is totally fixable, preventable (esp. w/ common sense)


There is no recall

 

I could have sworn that the GTO's were never offered with a 17 inch wheel. And you can really fit a 275 in the rear? Wow, from what i've been reading is that people are sticking with 245.

 

ya, 17" is standard, vast majority are that way.



Most go 275 in the rear, I just went from 235/40's all around to 245/40's all around until I can afford wider wheels.

Then it'll be 255 up front and 275 in the rear.

 

No argument from me, BOTH made in the U.S. Yeah,the trans isn't, but you get my meaning.

 

GTO isn't made in the US

 

Another victory for domestic vehicles, even though it's made in Australia.

One would think GM would think these kinds of things through?

 

He obviously needs to get his facts straight before he can rag on a manufacturer.

 

Please, grow up. Every manufacturer has their problems. I guess the Lambos that were randomly bursting into flames a few years back werent a problem either.

 

Did I hit a nerve?

It isn't that every manufacturer has their problems, it's the attitude domestic companies seem to carry towards known problems.

A potentially FATAL problem like this, and they are trying to brush it under the rug? One would think they learned their lesson after Ford/Firestone got it in the butt a couple of years ago.

I'm by no means a Japanese-only fan boy, hell I've owned more domestic vehicles than imports, it's just the "please bare your chest so that I may shit on it" attitude that domestic vehicle manufacturers tend to have.

 

Having owned a Oldsmobile diesel and dealt with GM and their customer service I can tell you, they have none.

 

Excuse me, it's a Holden. Visions of GM imported Opal GT in my head, feeling weak, feeling nauseous, loosing consciousness . . . .

 

<---- loves Opel GT's

 

It was a great little car, too bad it was sold through Buick dealers. Trust me, I was there, they did not have a clue about this car. Where was the internet when we needed it?

 

You didnt hit a nerve, but All import owners tend to shit on Domestic owners like we are shit as well. My Trans Am and Jeep Cherokee have treated me very well and are solid machines. They are purchases that i would do again in a heartbeat. Yes i admit that Domestic dealers arent the bets, but neither are some import dealers. I dont think GM is brushing anything under the rug, and the problem is not with all vehicles. And dont forget, the firestone thing wasnt all ford's fault. I think sweeping under the rug is what Honda did with its trannys. They never issued a recall, but just waited for the car to randomly downshift while going 60, with no warning and almost causing an accident to replace the tranny. To me that is way worse than an alignment issue on the GTO.