If you're going to talk about aerodynamics as *the* determining factor for "halo car" status then apparently the LF-A is less of a halo car than the Audi A2.

 

 

What's funny is people trying to reason with SSFTSX.

 

He does seem to have an endless supply of links to try to make his point - but I guess if one looks enough one could find a link that says the Aztec was the best looking SUV evar.

 

The only thing that failed is your logic. How can you on one hand say the Genesis failed (which it hasnt) and shares the same trans as the Equus. When Every thing in the Acura Line pretty much comes from teh same parts bin. Motors, trans, switches etc....

Oh and since you are looking in report books, Look at CR, they rated the Genesis top notch. Also pick up the latest Car and Driver, where the Genesis came in first in that comparo (where NO Acura was in or considered because the TL was too expensive for the comparo)

Nor would i consider this a Interior of a Halo car. Nor with its cheap electronics, big boat and coarse underpowered engine. Wait till the equus comes out. go sit in one, touch its soft leather, and soft touch dash and doors. Then go touch the harder leather, and harder touch dash and doors.

 

Its the ground clearance dude, ground clearance is clearly where Hyundai falls short its in quest to make luxury cars. I thought that was clear by now.

I guess the ground clearance argument explains why luxury crossovers are all the rage. Its clearly what luxury customers want and look for.

 

So is basically a Range Rover a better luxury product than them low-slung Rolls and Bentleys?

I would've never known if he didn't come here to make my case.

Gawd I wish he could be banned for trolling. No one's that st00pid.

 

well honda should screw that philosophy and join the party.

bringing back my prelude is a start. at least make RL bigger so it can go up against Lucerne or any other large non RWD sedans. just make a better Buick. that would be a better strategy IMO.

 

bringing back my prelude is a start. at least make RL bigger so it can go up against Lucerne or any other large non RWD sedans. just make a better Buick. that would be a better strategy IMO.[/QUOTE]
Making RL bigger will need another platform and engine. suppose you make $10b investment for creating a true halo car not wannabe like Equus and have only $10m (very big stretch) profit per year from such project. ( i doubt anyone can sell more than 10000 copies a year. people see $10m profit but not seeing $10b of investment and critical engineering resources used up.
Money will be recovered in about 1000 years.
Honda hast developed larger diesel engine yet. so it wont sell in Europe and BRIC countries. It takes 7 to 8 years of development and testing. unless Honda creates a dedicated SUV group for the world markets like RR or MB/Toyota/Nissan. so atleast engines and tranmssion are certified for larger number of vehicles.
so RL will still be Halo car in its price segment. no need to compare to larger and expensive cars.

 

I think personally that the next RL should attack the Lexus LS460 Sport or A8 S-Line or 750i M-Sport in size and persona. Do it with SH-AWD standard as before and supercharge that motherf.

 

No, no, no. Its clearly the amber hue of the turn signals. Thats why Bimmers and Benzes are no match for the awesome might of Acura.

 

Yes but you don't have to have ALL of the above. At least some.

At least Audi has coupe, Convertible and V8...

Acura has NONE of the above.

 

Do you mean the amber lamps?

 

problem is that Acura doesn't have V8. sooner or later all of v8's will have over 400hp. RL can't compete with that. RL can't even compete with E or 5, so i don't see any point going after big boys.

but there might be people who are interested in a better and bigger Avalon. i hate cars getting too big, but RL might benefit from getting bigger. TSX/TL for younger buyers and RL for older folks. i bet it will do better than 150 a month.

 

Amber lamps!

 

I think forced induction can be their key to getting around a V-8. In a lot of wasy I'd say their vehicle would be like the MKS EcoBoost, right down to the engine. But in quality and persona, etc., aim for the serious luxury.

A big sport luxury sedan. What a concept for Acura.

 

At least Hyundai is going forward, and not backwards like Honda is. Hyundai is in the early stages and already getting more attention and more concern from other automakers than Acura has past present or future. The mere fact Hyundai is willing to make and take such large steps to make cars to compete with the germans (unlike honda, and DONT even bring up the stupid sh-awd argument) Every auto manufacturer is concerned by how fast Hyundai is climbing. The same cant be said about the lowly little Acura nameplate who seems to be regressing.

 

Ground clearance? We're talking about ground clearance?

The day I see someone rock climbing in an Acura is the day I shit my pants on purpose in front of a live national audience. Oh and by the way, I LIVE IN the Bay Area and I have a lowered car with a long nose and even then I don't have too much trouble getting up driveways. Someone's making it sound like the RL is as low as a Corvette

 

Whatever happened to the "low volume" = "exclusivity" argument? (A clear sign of someone who is grasping at strings is someone who constantly contradicts himself in arguments.)

Besides, the Genesis sedan doesn't compete against the CC, but E segment sedans such as the GS and M which it is outselling (even the new M).


An "underpowered and coarse" engine that has made Ward's Top 10 engine list twice (btw, that's what a lot of people say about Honda 4-bangers).

As for "cheap electronics" - the Equus has an audio system that blows away anything in the Acura lineup.

Now, as for the center stack, yeah, the design and materials are a bit disappointing (the Sonata has a better center stack design), but the ambiance of the rear passenger compartment is something that none of Acura's lineup can come close to matching (remember, the Equus, first and foremost, is a car to be driven in).

 

Damn Daniel I don't want to see that image dude!

 

+1

Acura hasn't even built a sedan to compete with the Genesis, which offers most of what the RL does in sheer features and most of the interior quality but RWD and a V-8 (even the V-6 handily outruns and outsips the RL). In short the Genesis in interior and content is darn near the RL and mechanically goes above.

The Equus goes FAR above. It's really quite sad to see HYUNDAI building a vehicle so superior to what Acura's finest is.

 

The Equus materials are not disappointing. I've sat in one twice now and it is quite a bit better than photos suggest. Leather, metal, and wood abound, unlike in the RL, which has a good interior but isn't on that level in the slightest. No Acura interior is.

 

My main gripe is w/ the center stack (both materials and design) - about on the level of the center stack of the Lexus GS, which isn't good enough for this segment.

To be fair, the Equus was developed first and foremost for Hyundai's home market.

While Honda/Acura should have done a proper F segment sedan a while ago, there is a lot of competition in Japan (aside from the Germans) w/ the now Lexus branded LS460, the Toyota Crown Series, Nissan Cima and President, etc.

 

The GS receives good reviews for its interior.

 

So can we start a poll to see who thinks this asshat SSFTSX needs to be banned? He's a complete fucking moron.

Acura has lost its way, get over it, they won't be anywhere near where the other brands are for a good 10-15 years and that is only if they pull a Hyundai and turn everything around.

 

It's the people who keep replying to him who ruins it.

 

how many $45k SUV or sedans Hyundai can sell per month?. where is the progress. All i see is debasement of brand through lower prices.
When Gensis RWD cannot pass Accord baseds TL sales and new Hyundai Sonata has 0% financing. and Elantra has $2000cash back and still cannot pass 5 year Honda Civic. I dont see any future for such a brand except for government motor. and real life resale value. Honda is still at the top.
6 year Old RL design still has better resale value than any Hyundai. this is called exclusivity.
This is from Nissan head. which is selling 6000 FWD Maxima sedans a month (Hyundai cant sell 6000 RWD sedans a month) and rock solid SUV heritage around the world. they are not developing bigger engines. they are going to source it from MB group.
Honda either has to source such thing from outside or not developing it unless alternative use is established on mass scale.
Once you spread resources on large number of products. the quality suffers.
Honda strategy is pretty success ful by not listening to enthusiasts temptations as they are low volume products. only bigger groups like VW and Toyota can realistically afford in current environment. others are making big alliances like Renault-Nissan-MB-Autovaz. BMW will be soon on its last legs.
There will be time for purchasing Hyundai brand by Honda once it goes under.

 

WOW WOW just WOW...i am trying very hard not to do any "personal attack" here

1. Why are you comparing Maxima # with Genesis?? it is like comparing Civics #s with S-class... by your logic.. i will love it when they sell more TL than Corolla or Camry...

2. Exclusivity?? you drive an ACURA.... not an ENZO...RL is not NSX or GTR.... it is a mass production vehicle except there is no "mass buyers" for it and that is not exclusivity.. THAT IS FAIL!

BMW is on its last legs? <---- i am not even going to say anything about that

"There will be time for purchasing Hyundai brand by Honda once it goes under" i think it is more like the other way around in a few years.

 

The genesis isnt designed to compete against the accord (though it does take away some sales simply due to the inflated price of the accord) The better question is how many 45K+ RLs can Acura sell per month

And there is NO way Honda will ever be able to purchase Hyundai. Maybe the reverse though.

 

He talks about Exclusivity so much, but yet NOTHING Acura makes is an Exclusive automobile. They are ALL Mass Produced vehicles with intent for large sales volumes. Only hitch is the RL is in a market by it self because Acura cant make it a vehicle good enough to compete with the big boys and is stuck it basically trying to compete against its cheaper sibling the TL.

 

And it doesn't help when some people bitch about the people that keep replying. It's the same thing, really, isn't it?

 

It's not just him being dumb. It's just plain trolling. So clearly it's trolling. The hypocrisy of what he says is maddening. His grammar is uneducated and improper to say the least, and he clearly just enjoys getting a rise out of people.

In short, I'm all for it!

 

dom already said no can do because aside from being an annoying, baseless PITA he isn't doing anything outright offensive enough to warrant a ban

Ignore list will have to do for now... and IF ONLY PEOPLE WOULD STOP QUOTING HIM, IT WOULD ALSO HELP A LOT.

 

I actually sat on Equus multiple times and pictures don't do justice. interior material quality is on par with LS430 IMO. design wise, i prefer LS430, but material is there. Equus interior is very easy on eyes like LS430. you just have to sit down and touch it. Equus totally destroys Genesis interior quality.

and I maybe in a minority, but I like LS430's interior more than LS460. and actually i think LS430 has better interior quality than LS460 to me.

 

The only complaint I have about either of those interiors is the wood grain on the steering wheel, I've always hated that and never understood why manufacturers wouldn't make that an option rather than standard.

 

People must want it so it's standard.

 

Ok. How Hyundai is going to buy Honda?. It has only $30b revenue and what ever cash it is getting it is investing in too many products and too many markets. Honda is not going to do this stupidity. You need large cash buffer incase some thing happens like huge product recall or strikes.
Honda is $100b sales revenue firm. and has very vast industrial and real estate around the globe that is built and purchase over decades. Just look at Hero Honda India assets and turnover for Motor cycles.
Just the Honda brand name is worth $14B. and Honda has among largest cash on its balance sheet.
It can buy Hyundai motors today just on Cash. The more Yen moves up Honda sales go down to certain extent but net cash position strengths as commodities are cheaper. but Korean won always devalues in crises. so Hyundai has to generate more sales relative to Honda to maintainn the same dollar value of Cash power. and it devalues the brand by too agressive pushing.



About RL. i is in its 6th year and most of its technologies are shared across Honda line up from engines to Sh-AWD to navigation system.
it is not a dedicated V8 RWD platform in isolation from Honda brand. so sales wont matter. It is its desirability in used car market that make it exclusive. as no other car its price range can match is resale value.

 

I only compare price points of product.. dont care about FWD/RWD or length of the car.

 

much?

 

Sure you do. You constantly bring up the fact that the RL has SH-AWD and many others dont. so you must care. You also compare cars that dont compete with each other constantly all the time too.