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Old 12-07-2007, 06:46 PM
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Nice!

I'm sure you'll get it done! I friend of mine built a stage car a few years ago. Close to 1100 horsepower. Always nice seeing them quietly pulling up to the tree with barely a whisper and then destroying some cammed out big block.

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Thanks! They are a lot of fun.

This is my '86. Purchased new and fanatically maintained. Now has slightly over 10 000 miles.



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^^ Damn, i've always loved those things. I hate, I don't think i've ever seen your GN before
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Originally Posted by teranfon
Nice!

I'm sure you'll get it done! I friend of mine built a stage car a few years ago. Close to 1100 horsepower. Always nice seeing them quietly pulling up to the tree with barely a whisper and then destroying some cammed out big block.

srika:
Thanks! They are a lot of fun.

This is my '86. Purchased new and fanatically maintained. Now has slightly over 10 000 miles.



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I'm jealous of you guys that can afford the super nice low mileage cars. I'm assuming all stock?? On one hand I want one but on the other I would feel guilty driving them and drive them I would.

On mine, I'm thinking of transferring the powertrain and suspension over to a nicer GN minus the 84 parts of course. It might be cheaper than trying to fix mine.
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negative, the M3's getting the good ole' 6-spd tranny or a now no-cost-option of SMG4. I say no-cost-option because on the E46 M3 the SMG2 was a $2600 option!!


SMG4? You sure you arent confusing it with DCT? Thats what BMW will be putting into the new M3, not SMG.

Unless the info changed since i heard last.
Old 12-07-2007, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
I'm jealous of you guys that can afford the super nice low mileage cars. I'm assuming all stock?? On one hand I want one but on the other I would feel guilty driving them and drive them I would.

On mine, I'm thinking of transferring the powertrain and suspension over to a nicer GN minus the 84 parts of course. It might be cheaper than trying to fix mine.
All stock and original except for tires, tailpipes, and fluids. I modified the '87's, but not this one. After close to twenty-two years of ownership I would feel guilty if I modified it.

Transferring the goodies to another platform may be a consideration. Still, your car certainly looks like a car that is basically sound and can be repaired.

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Old 12-07-2007, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by teranfon
This is my '86. Purchased new and fanatically maintained. Now has slightly over 10 000 miles.


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Old 12-07-2007, 08:36 PM
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Never knew what happened to your GN, ouch. Thieves are scum.

I want to test drive the 335i too but I don't know anyone who has one well enough to drive it, nor do I think any salespeople will treat me with respect if I show up at the dealer for a test drive. Wouldn't bother trying it if it didn't come with a clutch pedal though.
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Never knew what happened to your GN, ouch. Thieves are scum.

I want to test drive the 335i too but I don't know anyone who has one well enough to drive it, nor do I think any salespeople will treat me with respect if I show up at the dealer for a test drive. Wouldn't bother trying it if it didn't come with a clutch pedal though.
You'd be surprised...I went in to test drive an E46 M3 and the salesman was extremely welcoming and was ready to bring me the keys until he found out someone else sold that specific car. They didn't have any others Give it a shot...you never know.
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Interesting. When I hit it, it would take off and then a second later the power would come in. I'm going for another test drive tomorrow so hopefully I'll have something positive to report back.
Ya, tbh that sounds like the stupid gearing. People always ask me why I *always* go to DS or M mode; it's because D sucks ass. I should have ordered a manual. :/
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This car definitely needs a manual I believe.....
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
SMG4? You sure you arent confusing it with DCT? Thats what BMW will be putting into the new M3, not SMG.

Unless the info changed since i heard last.
thats just what I hear from our regeonal tech junkies... and I'm pretty sure they've already been discussing it in the monthly service round-tables... I very wel lcould be wrong though.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/07/d...for-bmws-335i/



Dinan, renowned tuners of all things from the propeller people, have finally decided to offer an ECU upgrade for owners of BMW's delectable 335i. The reflashed upgrade necessitates the installation of either BMW's or Dinan's oil cooler, but once the Bimmer's brain is reprogrammed, throttle response is sharpened, the top-speed governor is removed and power levels jump to 384 hp at 5,700 rpm and a kidney pummeling 421 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,300 rpm.

While other companies have been at it for a while (ahem, Vishnu), the Dinan crew is able to offer something that other tuners haven't: a warranty that coincides with BMW's own. The cost, however, is steep, coming in at $1,999 for the reflash alone. Piece of mind – and tuning products for BMWs overall – doesn't come cheap, but for those who want to extract the twin-turbo'd inline-six's full potential, this may be one of the best mods to date.
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^^ Thats awesome, and it has the warrenty to boot. I'd rather pay two grand and have a piece of mind than pay half that and risk blowing a $12,000 engine
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DINANS diminishing... even though they keep making stuff, BMW's came to the realization that they can make the same parts and charge even more than DINAN does... now we've got BMW Performance displays up all over the dealership
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
any Idea of what that ecu is going to run?
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"The cost, however, is steep, coming in at $1,999 for the reflash alone."


or something like that
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That is amazing even for a turbo car! 84hp and 121lbs would surely be something you could feel.... I'm assuming this is a 91 octane program, right?

I can only think that BMW has a very conservative factory tune.
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$1,999 aint expensive for a Dinan upgrade that gives you those results, IMO. Very nice!
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Originally Posted by srika
$1,999 aint expensive for a Dinan upgrade that gives you those results, IMO. Very nice!
I agree and I know there's a lot of R&D but it does seem like they're charging per hp gained rather than for the mod itself. I'm pretty sure all they have to do is plug in to the stock computer and download the program or soldier a chip in. I miss the old days when I could order a chip for $35 and add the same hp (on race gas) for 5 minutes work.
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its too bad BMW won't work with other companies in providing warranty...look at the 380-400HP tab on the left side: http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

and then go watch this http://youtube.com/watch?v=45mCxKqx204
thats just the V1 on the 335i (4door)...not even the V3 package vs an E39 M5... its takes that M5 until 250km to catch him from an even start...
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
I agree and I know there's a lot of R&D but it does seem like they're charging per hp gained rather than for the mod itself. I'm pretty sure all they have to do is plug in to the stock computer and download the program or soldier a chip in. I miss the old days when I could order a chip for $35 and add the same hp (on race gas) for 5 minutes work.
remember you are keeping your factory warranty. that is huge on a bimmer.
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Originally Posted by nbennettksu
its too bad BMW won't work with other companies in providing warranty...look at the 380-400HP tab on the left side: http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

and then go watch this http://youtube.com/watch?v=45mCxKqx204
thats just the V1 on the 335i (4door)...not even the V3 package vs an E39 M5... its takes that M5 until 250km to catch him from an even start...
uhh.. E39 M5 with exhaust????? that vid makes the 335 look slow. LOL
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^ man I think it makes the M5 look slow...

you got to remember, 335 runs almost identical to the E46 M3, E46 is significantly slower than the E39 M5
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Originally Posted by srika
$1,999 aint expensive for a Dinan upgrade that gives you those results, IMO. Very nice!
i agree.. thats are very nice numbers for 2k! shit comptech headers and exhuast for the CL was more than that, and not even close that hp or tourqe gain
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Cool I also heard that a chip+exhaust can make the 335i have 420hp. Lol is that true, and if so then the 335i is one of the best deals around.
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Originally Posted by nbennettksu
^ man I think it makes the M5 look slow...

you got to remember, 335 runs almost identical to the E46 M3, E46 is significantly slower than the E39 M5
E46 M3 is not "significantly" slower than the E39 M5.
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Originally Posted by srika
$1,999 aint expensive for a Dinan upgrade that gives you those results, IMO. Very nice!

Werd, Comptech's supercharger didn't even give those results and is 1/3 more the cost.
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The upgrade from Dinan is a great deal. I had to spend over 3K to acheive a 95hp gain over my stock baseline.
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
Werd, Comptech's supercharger didn't even give those results and is 1/3 more the cost.
Well a supercharger obviously costs more to make with materials and R&D vs. just a simple reflash on a already boosted car. Can't really compare to two IMO. However, I think Hondata released a flash for the supercharger that gives it almost 60whp and 40wtq for around $700, so take that for what its worth. No warrenty though, which would be my biggest gripe. Imagine blowing one of these engines...ouch.

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Originally Posted by srika
E46 M3 is not "significantly" slower than the E39 M5.


02 M3 0-60 4.7, 1/4 13.4

02 M5 0-60 4.8, 1/4 13.3

Sounds like drivers race to me
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Thats kind of wierd, didn't they say the new E92 M3 goes 0-60 in 4.8?
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Thats kind of wierd, didn't they say the new E92 M3 goes 0-60 in 4.8?
C&D listed the new M3's 0-60 at 4.3 seconds in its comparison test for the issue before last. Most manufacturers are conservative in listing their 0-60 numbers (or 0-100Km, which is 62 mph). Unfortunately I can't afford one, and it sucks gas like an SUV. IIRC, the regular 335i's 0-60 is 4.8-4.9 depending on publication.

A test drive of the 335 is on my list too, as I will need to either get a new car or buy my TL off the lease next summer.
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Thats kind of wierd, didn't they say the new E92 M3 goes 0-60 in 4.8?
That's what BMW claimed it could do, but 335i stock can already do that. The new M3 E92 should do 0-60 in like 4.2 to 4.4s and high 12's in the 1/4 if I remember correctly.

Btw, can you send me the link about the Hondata reflash program which gives 60whp for the SC?

Nevermind, found it!
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...9&page=1&pp=25

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remember you are keeping your factory warranty. that is huge on a bimmer.
Your not keeping your factory warrenty. You get a Dinan warrenty. Big difference. BMW will tell you to go screw yourself if you blow up your engine with Dinans software and expect them to fix it.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
A reflash for a BMW ECU is the dumbest thing ever. Anytime your car needs to be programmed (which is quite a bit with the new BMWs) your reflash is gonna go bye bye.
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Your not keeping your factory warrenty. You get a Dinan warrenty. Big difference. BMW will tell you to go screw yourself if you blow up your engine with Dinans software and expect them to fix it.
ok - need some clarification on this:
the Dinan crew is able to offer something that other tuners haven't: a warranty that coincides with BMW's own.
what exactly does the last part of that mean.
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Hmm didnt think about that. I know with the 1.8t, tuners had a reflash and there were threads about the dealer having to flash the ecu to update certain things. Of course their tune was gone after that. Wasnt all that common though unless the car had major issues.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Hmm didnt think about that. I know with the 1.8t, tuners had a reflash and there were threads about the dealer having to flash the ecu to update certain things. Of course their tune was gone after that. Wasnt all that common though unless the car had major issues.
With a E9xs, everytime you program any part of the car, everything gets programed. If you replace a a passenger seat occupancy detector which is common, you have to code the whole car. Anytime you replace a control module the whole car has to be coded. Thats not to say the DME needs to get coded everytime, but BMW does update their software quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by srika
ok - need some clarification on this:

what exactly does the last part of that mean.
It means you have to take it to a authorized Dinan center to have the work done which is not always a BMW dealer.

To obtain service under this warranty, the vehicle must be brought, upon discovery of a malfunction or defect in materials and/or workmanship, to the workshop of any Authorized Dinan Dealer, during normal business hours. Proof of purchase in the form of a lawful invoice is required. The Authorized Dinan Dealer will, without charge for parts or labor, repair or replace the defective Dinan component(s), as well as any original vehicle manufacturer’s component(s) that may have been directly affected by a Dinan component, using new or authorized remanufactured parts. The decision to repair or replace said parts is at the sole discretion of Dinan and/or the original vehicle manufacturer. Parts for which replacements are supplied under this limited warranty become the property of Dinan and/or the original vehicle manufacturer. In all cases, a reasonable period of time must be allowed for warranty repairs to be completed after the vehicle is delivered to the Authorized Dinan Dealer.
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ok - f the 335 then :P

it sucks, lol


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