Does anyone drive manual anymore?
02-12-2009, 04:19 PM
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Does anyone drive manual anymore?
Im looking at downgrading from my 2005 tl 6mt. Ive been looking at accords, camrys, cl-s, and maybe something smaller but i think of the hundreds of cars i looked at, maybe 1% were manual. The ones that had manaul had color options i didn't care for though. I don't mind an auto trans. but i just get so bored with them. I am also a bit apprehensive about buying a honda with an auto because of the probelms they seem to have. I think what i really want is a 2003 accord coupe or sedan 4 cyl with manual. I have even left my phone number with sales associates at the dealers and they cant even find them. I thought with the economy like it is the sales guys would be calling me all hours of the day saying they found one. But i guess they didn't sell very well or people dont like to give them up. Oh well, my search will continue. Thats my little rant for the day.
02-12-2009, 04:23 PM
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If you want more manual choices look to a different car maker than Honda Toyota.....and look at different car models other than mid-size family sedans/coupe.
02-12-2009, 04:35 PM
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where is....
after haggling with honda, it pretty much costs the same for manual and auto.
and it was extremely hard do find a 08 accord coupe in manual without special ordering it.
and it was extremely hard do find a 08 accord coupe in manual without special ordering it.
02-12-2009, 04:36 PM
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Thats why I got an old Prelude, I missed the occasional country drive with a manual
02-12-2009, 04:40 PM
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I owe 15k on the car and my uncle wants to buy it from me. He really likes it. The accords i have seen have been from 8-10k. Plus with a 4 cyl it should get better mileage and the insurance would be cheaper. Im pretty much sticking with only toyota, honda, nissan and maybe subaru. I like the mini but its still expensive to maintain. I drove a 4cyl manual accord and i liked it except that it was gold with tan interior. I want a wrx too but am scared that most of them have been modded and have done damage to them.
02-12-2009, 06:14 PM
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It's especially scary with newer cars. My dad was shopping for an Audi and you can't even get an A3 quatro with a manual anymore. TipTronic only. fuck that electronically controlled garbage.
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02-12-2009, 06:52 PM
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This is something I'm always frustrated about. I probably stand alone in this, but I think it would be pimp to drive cars like, for instance a 7-series with a manual. I hate the new ones, but just sayin. Minivans used to be available in stick way back when, even.
Dual clutch manuals are better than a typical automatic, but I'll still take rowing the gears anyday, even if I have to pay more for it. The ONLY reason I'd get DSG/automatic instead of manual is if I had stop-and-go traffic in my commute for an hour or longer... but I'd be more likely to move first.
Dual clutch manuals are better than a typical automatic, but I'll still take rowing the gears anyday, even if I have to pay more for it. The ONLY reason I'd get DSG/automatic instead of manual is if I had stop-and-go traffic in my commute for an hour or longer... but I'd be more likely to move first.
02-12-2009, 06:54 PM
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I think manual trannys are the cheapest to fix too. My 05 still has the stock clutch but my buddy(a mechanic) told me it would be about 900-1200 installed for a new clutch. If i had an auto it would be about double that. With all of these new computer controlled, cvt, wanna-be manual options, i see a lot of potentially upset owners when they see a repair bill for 3-5k. They also tend to be heavier and slower.
02-12-2009, 06:55 PM
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I think manual trannys are the cheapest to fix too. My 05 still has the stock clutch but my buddy(a mechanic) told me it would be about 900-1200 installed for a new clutch. If i had an auto it would be about double that. With all of these new computer controlled, cvt, wanna-be manual options, i see a lot of potentially upset owners when they see a repair bill for 3-5k. They also tend to be heavier and slower.
02-12-2009, 08:52 PM
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Been shifting for myself for 4 years now. I do miss a auto, feels so luxuroius to just stomp on it and go. I better hold on to my car though once its gone it will be hard to find V6/Mt combos new anymore.
02-12-2009, 09:10 PM
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And the DSG on the A3 is actually pretty fun. Almost as fun as the new R32, and TT as well. Paired up with the right car, it can be pretty awesome to drive. Though still not the same as a real MT.
Electronically controlled garbage?
You do realize that they were modeled after F1 cars right? And that a DSG car will wreck an MT car in terms of efficiently shifting and off the line quickness.
Must be hard for Hamilton and the other drivers in the F1 circuit to put up with such garbage.
02-12-2009, 09:27 PM
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If my BMW had a manual gearbox like my 04 TL, I would have gotten it in a heartbeat. BMW manuals are so crappy IMO, but the M3's DCT transmission is a great alternative, and its very fun although being a "manumatic".
02-12-2009, 10:25 PM
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It looks like its only us enthusiasts that drive stick. Maybe we are a small crowd. I just cant see myself driving an auto. Its soo boring. Even if im driving in traffic, i think driving a manual is what keeps me alert.
02-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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OP: keep searching, and the perfect car will pop up.
02-12-2009, 11:05 PM
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If my TL or RL ever somehow lose their slushboxes, i'll replace them with the Legend 6MT
02-12-2009, 11:05 PM
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Tiptronic and DSG are different.
And the DSG on the A3 is actually pretty fun. Almost as fun as the new R32, and TT as well. Paired up with the right car, it can be pretty awesome to drive. Though still not the same as a real MT.
Electronically controlled garbage?
You do realize that they were modeled after F1 cars right? And that a DSG car will wreck an MT car in terms of efficiently shifting and off the line quickness.
Must be hard for Hamilton and the other drivers in the F1 circuit to put up with such garbage.
And the DSG on the A3 is actually pretty fun. Almost as fun as the new R32, and TT as well. Paired up with the right car, it can be pretty awesome to drive. Though still not the same as a real MT.
Electronically controlled garbage?
You do realize that they were modeled after F1 cars right? And that a DSG car will wreck an MT car in terms of efficiently shifting and off the line quickness.
Must be hard for Hamilton and the other drivers in the F1 circuit to put up with such garbage.
Yes, on paper and when tested by professionals a Dual Clutch will be better than a Manual, but it took how many years to achieve that? Only high performance cars of recent vintage ( M3 DCT, Evolution MR, 911 Turbo) have shown slightly faster 0-60 and 1/4 Mile times with Dual Clutch Trannies.
the Audi A3 doesn't come close to any of those and it's silly how Audi is trying to push it's fresh technology down the consumers throat instead of just giving them a manual transmission option.
02-12-2009, 11:08 PM
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This is something I'm always frustrated about. I probably stand alone in this, but I think it would be pimp to drive cars like, for instance a 7-series with a manual. I hate the new ones, but just sayin. Minivans used to be available in stick way back when, even.
Dual clutch manuals are better than a typical automatic, but I'll still take rowing the gears anyday, even if I have to pay more for it. The ONLY reason I'd get DSG/automatic instead of manual is if I had stop-and-go traffic in my commute for an hour or longer... but I'd be more likely to move first.
Dual clutch manuals are better than a typical automatic, but I'll still take rowing the gears anyday, even if I have to pay more for it. The ONLY reason I'd get DSG/automatic instead of manual is if I had stop-and-go traffic in my commute for an hour or longer... but I'd be more likely to move first.
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02-13-2009, 12:28 AM
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And I will only drive stick. I do steal my wifes civic on occasion for the gas mileage and ease of not shifting...but then I always hate getting into corners because I can't control the gearbox.
02-13-2009, 12:32 AM
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yeah, but people shopping for an A3 are hardly F1 drivers. my dad sure as hell isn't. He just wants a manual. That's simple to service (Fluid flush once a few years). Audis are known for their unreliable electronics.
Yes, on paper and when tested by professionals a Dual Clutch will be better than a Manual, but it took how many years to achieve that? Only high performance cars of recent vintage ( M3 DCT, Evolution MR, 911 Turbo) have shown slightly faster 0-60 and 1/4 Mile times with Dual Clutch Trannies.
the Audi A3 doesn't come close to any of those and it's silly how Audi is trying to push it's fresh technology down the consumers throat instead of just giving them a manual transmission option.
Yes, on paper and when tested by professionals a Dual Clutch will be better than a Manual, but it took how many years to achieve that? Only high performance cars of recent vintage ( M3 DCT, Evolution MR, 911 Turbo) have shown slightly faster 0-60 and 1/4 Mile times with Dual Clutch Trannies.
the Audi A3 doesn't come close to any of those and it's silly how Audi is trying to push it's fresh technology down the consumers throat instead of just giving them a manual transmission option.
please stop posting until youve done a little research and you can come back knowing what youre talking about.
02-13-2009, 12:53 AM
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Now that I've gone 6MT I don't think I can settle for anything less.
So you just called yourself a "cocksuckerpicklepuffinghomo?"
02-13-2009, 01:10 AM
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Driving a manual just seems to add so much more to the driving experience. There's something innately satisfying correctly driving a car with a manual gearbox (it seems as more than a few who have them actually don't drive them correctly). It's unfortunate that an increasingly amount of models no longer offer a manual transmission. Lately I was in the market for a new F150, but the '09s aren't even offered with a manual gearbox any longer. I had to order another F350 just so I could get the 6MT.
I hope they will be around for sometime longer, including automobiles not necessarily marketed towards the enthusiasts.
Terry
I hope they will be around for sometime longer, including automobiles not necessarily marketed towards the enthusiasts.
Terry
02-13-2009, 05:48 AM
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For those who have their parents buy/help them buy their cars (NOTHING wrong with that.... unless you aren't grateful for it and you act like a spoiled prick) I would suggest saving up money and buying a car of your own. My mom offered to buy me a car but I know she can't drive stick so I just shared cars with her, and eventually I bought my hooptie 95 Integra 5MT with the cash I saved. But I realized it was so much fun that I saved up some more money, sold the Integra and bought my Camaro (got a loan) Its nowhere near as nice as the 2G TL-S my mom had but its so much faster, handles better, looks sexier (IMO) and is more fun to drive, 6MT aside, but even more so when you consider it.
I'm not the same as everyone else though, if you want a plusher car there's plenty of cars that are luxurious, affordable and have a manual transmission as an option. Off the top of my head, the Legend, TSX, Accord EX, SC300, A4 and E36 M3 all come in stick.
Maybe this is a problem with the new E92s, I don't know, I haven't driven them yet
but my friends' E36 M3 and E46 323i(?) was great. I know the 323i was stock.... and the clutch was very easy to modulate and it shifted like butter, no rubbery feel as mentioned in car mags, though in the 323i I believe its a throttle cable instead of DBW.
I'm not the same as everyone else though, if you want a plusher car there's plenty of cars that are luxurious, affordable and have a manual transmission as an option. Off the top of my head, the Legend, TSX, Accord EX, SC300, A4 and E36 M3 all come in stick.
Maybe this is a problem with the new E92s, I don't know, I haven't driven them yet
but my friends' E36 M3 and E46 323i(?) was great. I know the 323i was stock.... and the clutch was very easy to modulate and it shifted like butter, no rubbery feel as mentioned in car mags, though in the 323i I believe its a throttle cable instead of DBW.
02-13-2009, 07:43 AM
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They are definitely getting harder and harder to find. So many manufacturers only offer a stick on the base model.
There is nothing like running through the gears on a nice winding back country road.....
There is nothing like running through the gears on a nice winding back country road.....
