srika

yea.. we didn't know there was a pole/tree involved earlier... that does change things.

srika

what's that supposed to mean, buster...

TSX Hokie

In related news, the value of the other 300ish Enzos just went up $5k or so.

ZeroPSI

News report makes it sound like the driver was the guy they found in the passenger seat. He was the owner, and was bleeding. The driver's airbag had blood on it. He was probably drunk when the police arrived, slid over to the passengers seat, and said someone else was driving.

The car was not registered either. Probably bought it from the Long Beach harbor.

Maximized

The car did it's job, but man every crashed Ferrari I've seen is in peices. I've seen too many Ferraris in half that I am beginning to question their safety.

subinf

well as long as the cabin stays intact i wouldnt worry about anything else. i havent looked at the pics of the other enzo posted here a few months back but i seem to remember it doing the same thing.

Maximized

I've seen various Ferraris break in half at the

Here is one of their race car

LuvMyTSX

What a fucktard.

subinf

ahh, that looks like a lot of fun

Black CL-S 4-Life

What a fucking waste! Poor Ferrari

srika

rumour has it the dude was racing an SLR... If that was the case, I would have to say,

SLR 1
Enzo 0

Black CL-S 4-Life

Man what a race that must of been. I say the Enzo wouldn't have that much trouble with the SLR.

Black CL-S 4-Life

BTW what do they run in the 1/4 and 0-150?

srika

Enzo: 10.8-11.1 @ 136-133 qtr mi, 13.1 sec to 150

SLR: 11.6-11.9 @ 127-124 qtr mi, 18.3-18.8 sec to 150

good chart of acceleration times in here.. unfortunately it only goes up to 100.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...en/index2.html

some more evidence:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...igsegg-CCR.htm

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

Cars like the Enzo are designed to break apart upon impact, because it can dissipate the energy force of the impact much better. Notice the cabin is still intact, like it's designed to be. The rest of the car is engineered to break apart.

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

I just saw this... It's not exactly what I was talking about above. If that picture is real, then wow... something went pretty wrong.

srika

^^ yeah I was gonna say - the fact that the engine (and rear) breaks apart from the passenger compartment is a safety feature.. One of the main reasons is if the engine or surrounding areas catch on fire - as Ferraris are notorious for in crashes - well, common logic really.

srika

Oh yeah - in summary, at 3732 lbs, the SLR is a bit of a hog. The Enzo on the other hand weighs in at 3009 lbs. Add in a 43hp difference in favor of the Enzo (617 vs 660), and you can understand why the Enzo is considerably faster. The SLR does out-torque the Enzo (575 vs 485) but ultimately its the weight that hampers the SLR down.

Maximized

I am aware that it's designed to break apart like that, but like I stated before there has been pictures of other Ferraris including an Enzo that split at the passenger compartment. I don't think Ferrari does much safety testing, but I could be wrong.

srika

so, you think they're kind of, how to say, "piece-mealed" together, eh?

Maximized

I don't know. I do know what their cars cost and know that it's probably not finacially possible to crash test their cars extensively. I'd feel much safer in a Porsche or McLaren SLR from what I've seen on the net.

CLpower

they do as much testing as everyone else


where are pics of it split at the passenger compartment



Just got done watching the news. The passenger was the owner of the car. He said the driver was "the German" named Derek (I think) visiting from Europe, that's all he knew. He said he took off up the mountain after the crash. Also said they were racing a silver mercedes when it happened.

CLpower

btw, the crash structure of that car is absolutely phenominal!!

Edr0e

Oh no here we go again

Guys do a search on carbon monocoque chassis. The enzo, carrera gt are prime examples of how they utilize this new race technology into our everyday cars.


That is what saved dude's life.

Maximized

Here is the pic. There was a thread that showed other Ferraris that split in the passenger compartment when this pic was posted.



I doubt they do as much safety testing as Ford, GM, Benz, or Volvo.

CLpower

Of course they do, all the testing these guys do is because they HAVE to in order to meet regulations.



That picture right there is absolute proof ferrari knows what they are doing. That car couldn't have done anything better then that.

Edr0e

Well... unfortunately the Ferrari Enzo was not designed for safety. They were trying to out do Porsche CGT and this is what happens when inexperienced drivers get behind the wheel.

CLpower

more info

FROM LA COUNTY SHERIFF - LOST HILLS/MALIBU STATION

The passenger is also the registered owner (and only person found at scene) and his name is Stefan Erikson, a Sweedish national who lives in Bel Air/Beverly Hills.

He hasn't been charged. He claims he was the passenger and that a guy named "Deitrich" (sp?) was the driver and he fled the scene. "Deitrich" is a German fellow and that's all he knows about him. It was either a witness or Erikson that said that they were racing an Mercedes/McClaren SLR when suddenly the car became airborne.

I'm told that Stefan did allegedly blow a .09, but he claims he wasn't driving.

Speed is estimated at 120 mph.

Maximized

The car SPLIT into two(with fatalities) at the monocoque structure, that's proof that they know what they are doing??????

Testing is mandated by the gov't, but like I stated before I am sure that Ferrari doesn't do extensive crash testing. It's a numbers game really. You can crash 20 E500 for every one Enzo. Ferrari probably uses computer modeling and relies on data from their race cars.

Edr0e

WTF. 6am drunk. Driving an enzo racing a SLR? And hes from sweden? And he let a strange guy named deitrich total his exotic car?


Sounds like daddy is not going to be too happy.

srika

thank you - I knew I read that somewhere..

srika

Alright dude. The car crashed into a power pole at around 120 mph - most likely at the side - if it was head-on or back-end-on, I think the damage would have reflected that. So given these circumstances, what, exactly, would have been better for it to do?

iTimmy

If that's true and he was the driver he is going to be in deep shit now. It was said that there was blood on the airbag of the driver's side, see if the DNA matches and also do a BAC test just to verify thing... but I am sure this is already under way if not alreadly completed.

SpeedyV6

Yeah Riiiight.
If I ever total a car while driving under the influence I'll have to remember to say "uh officer, it wasn't me driving. it was this mysterious foreigner who vanished from the scene of the accident. I think his name was Derek or Dietrich something or other."

Edr0e

The reason they use the monocoque chassis is because of its weight/strength. Lets not forget... the chassis is not made from cheap metals.

So lets just say... somehow my acura is capable of going 170+mph.If my car got into a similar accident going the same speed do you think myself or any of my passengers would survive?

DOT definetly requires safety standards. It met the standards.

TSX 'R' US

Saw that on the news earlier... poor Ferrari but amazing engineering!

NightHawk CL9

i agree with that comment just stating that its good to see that some owners don't comsider their high priced exotics as garage beauties, and actually takes them out on public roads and actually drives it.

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

Are you telling me that F1 cars (that's basically what the Enzo is) are not designed to break apart at impact? Only the cabin is supposed to remain intact, like a cocoon, to protect the driver. The rest of the car is designed to break apart on impact to dissipate the energy. Hell, they even use special spring-loaded screws so that they pop out in an impact.

srika

I think he's on our side, guy.

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

Every new vehicle that is for sale to the public goes through the same kind of crash test. The federal government requires 3 identical vehicles of that model for various tests. Ferrari is not exempt. They go through the same kind of tests as your everyday Chevy Impala.

In fact, do you know why the legendary Porsche 959 was not legal in the U.S.? Porsche did not want to give the NHTSA the three 959's for testing, because they were so expensive and rare. That was the only reason why it couldn't come stateside. You deny the federal government test vehicles, and they won't let you sell it in the U.S.


Also you're forgetting just how bad the impact was. Those accidents look pretty serious, and both times, it happened at high speeds. Compared to ordinary cars, these vehicles provide an outstanding level of safety.

Sure, the accident in Italy looks bad, but it was also a really bad accident at a high speed. The chassis is strong, but it's not indestructible. But I bet you a beer that these cars have much higher safety threshold than other cars.