Crash Test: Ford 150 vs Mini
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typical american engineering philosohy:
"if it isnt a minivan, it doesnt need to be safe"
unbelieveable....almost even mind boggling imo
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"if it isnt a minivan, it doesnt need to be safe"
unbelieveable....almost even mind boggling imo
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Wow. Both of these vehicles hit the exact same off-set barrier at 40mph. Now there's no question what would win in a head-on collesion between the two but then again the majority of accidents involve only a single car. All you have to do is look at the dummy's legs and you can get an idea of what would happen if you hit a wall in either car. The MINI had almost no intrusion which "indicates that the driver's survival space was maintained very well" - the F150 on the other hand had "Major collapse of the occupant compartment that left little survival space for the driver."
Im interested in how a company could create a modern vehicle that could perform so badly on this test. Furthermore Ford had lots of space to work with to make this a safe vehicle. For BMW/MINI to do the job in 1/4 the space is what engineering is all about.
Keep in mind also this is the best selling vehicle in the US. One would think that Ford, knowing this, would have put more effort into the engineering of this truck. It gets worse; this platform is also the basis of both the Ford Expedition and to some extent the Ford Excursion. Both are marketed to be tough, safe, go anywhere SUVs and are sold as family transportation
Im interested in how a company could create a modern vehicle that could perform so badly on this test. Furthermore Ford had lots of space to work with to make this a safe vehicle. For BMW/MINI to do the job in 1/4 the space is what engineering is all about.
Keep in mind also this is the best selling vehicle in the US. One would think that Ford, knowing this, would have put more effort into the engineering of this truck. It gets worse; this platform is also the basis of both the Ford Expedition and to some extent the Ford Excursion. Both are marketed to be tough, safe, go anywhere SUVs and are sold as family transportation
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Originally posted by brianlin87
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i thot the new F-150s were made w/ some new steel
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i thot the new F-150s were made w/ some new steel
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Originally posted by F23A4
Dont expect any revelation in safety features for the new F150. F150 buyers are more focused on utility than safety.
Dont expect any revelation in safety features for the new F150. F150 buyers are more focused on utility than safety.
In the Insurance Institute tests, it went from the WORST rating to their HIGHEST.
The F-150's best defense against collision was its size and weight, not safety engineering. Same with GM.
The Jimmy/Blazer snapped its roof in half at highway speed collisions.
The Jimmy/Blazer snapped its roof in half at highway speed collisions.
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If some people took the time to read the article in it's entirety. 
They would have read the last paragraph which states Ford has made changes to the new F150 to meet safety regulations.
They would have read the last paragraph which states Ford has made changes to the new F150 to meet safety regulations.
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Take a mouse and an elephant. Have them charge one another. Elephant destroys mouse. Drop both off a 3 story building. Mouse lives, elephant stew. The 150 has more mass and energy to deal with when you run it into solid concrete wall.
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What Kaih said, exactly.
Tell me what kind of accident I'm going to have, and I'll tell you what vehicle I'd prefer to drive. If it is a one-car accident vs. an immovable wall, I'd prefer the absolute lightest car that is built reasonable well. If it is with another vehicle, I'd want the biggest Hummer with a snowplow in front. All pickup trucks would look similar to the picture posted above, but certainly there is some room for improvement.
F=MA works pretty much everywhere, so something that weighs 5000 lbs instead of 2500 lbs has to deal with twice as much force given the same acceleration (deceleration). It's not like they can put in metal that is twice as strong, and it's not like they can make the hood 7 feet long to make the crush space twice as long (to provide equal protection to a car half the weight with 3.5 feet of crush space)
Tell me what kind of accident I'm going to have, and I'll tell you what vehicle I'd prefer to drive. If it is a one-car accident vs. an immovable wall, I'd prefer the absolute lightest car that is built reasonable well. If it is with another vehicle, I'd want the biggest Hummer with a snowplow in front. All pickup trucks would look similar to the picture posted above, but certainly there is some room for improvement.
F=MA works pretty much everywhere, so something that weighs 5000 lbs instead of 2500 lbs has to deal with twice as much force given the same acceleration (deceleration). It's not like they can put in metal that is twice as strong, and it's not like they can make the hood 7 feet long to make the crush space twice as long (to provide equal protection to a car half the weight with 3.5 feet of crush space)
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But then again, I saw the result of a head-on '98 Accord vs. Expedition. The accord driver was getting some bandages in the back of the ambulance and the Expedition driver was getting airlifted.
But then again, I saw the result of a head-on '98 Accord vs. Expedition. The accord driver was getting some bandages in the back of the ambulance and the Expedition driver was getting airlifted.
Just remember one thing, the smaller the car the more rigid the chasis and safety cage, which leads to more intense and severe strains/sprain (whiplash) injury to the occupant of the small car. The simple reason for this is that the cage/crumpel zones do not absorp the majority of the g's forces upon the impact and everything or majority of the forces will be transfered to the person.
Remember Consumer Report several years ago they rated the VW Bettle as one of the safest car on the road due too integrity of passanger cabin.
Remember Consumer Report several years ago they rated the VW Bettle as one of the safest car on the road due too integrity of passanger cabin.
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