Cobra Vs CL65 Vid
12-13-2004, 04:36 PM
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Cobra Vs CL65 Vid
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http://www.badassride.com/videos/rossvsdaniel.asf
Seemed like the CL was starting to gain at the very end.
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From a stop the Benz takes off like a jet!!
http://www.badassride.com/videos/rossvsdaniel.asf
Seemed like the CL was starting to gain at the very end.
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From a stop the Benz takes off like a jet!!
12-13-2004, 08:47 PM
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Mercedes Twin Turbo V12 losing to a Supercharged Ford V8 with a few bolt ons.
Mercedes is pathetic. BMW owns them like no other. An NA 5L V10 M5 would kill that twin turbo benz.
Mercedes is pathetic. BMW owns them like no other. An NA 5L V10 M5 would kill that twin turbo benz.
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12-13-2004, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Mercedes Twin Turbo V12 losing to a Supercharged Ford V8 with a few bolt ons.
Mercedes is pathetic. BMW owns them like no other. An NA 5L V10 M5 would kill that twin turbo benz.
Mercedes is pathetic. BMW owns them like no other. An NA 5L V10 M5 would kill that twin turbo benz.
wtf are u smokin, the e55 will blow the doors off a 2005 m5
the bimmer cant match the trq of the benz
a stang with those mods is prolly a very low 12 sec car(trapping 116-117), i woulda thought the cl65 would pull on it from a roll cause they trap around 123+
12-14-2004, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by darrinb
wtf are u smokin, the e55 will blow the doors off a 2005 m5
the bimmer cant match the trq of the benz
a stang with those mods is prolly a very low 12 sec car(trapping 116-117), i woulda thought the cl65 would pull on it from a roll cause they trap around 123+
the bimmer cant match the trq of the benz
a stang with those mods is prolly a very low 12 sec car(trapping 116-117), i woulda thought the cl65 would pull on it from a roll cause they trap around 123+
Oh yeah? Think about it. The benz has 1 more liter, 2 more cylinders and a twin turbo! Yes the torque is good, but a little over 600 hp?
And as far as the E55 beating the new M5 in racing, I guess you haven't seen this yet.
http://privat.birklehof.org/~loeffle...ls55_amstv.wmv
12-14-2004, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Oh yeah? Think about it. The benz has 1 more liter, 2 more cylinders and a twin turbo! Yes the torque is good, but a little over 600 hp?
And as far as the benz beating the new M5 in racing, I guess you haven't seen this yet.
http://privat.birklehof.org/~loeffle...ls55_amstv.wmv
And as far as the benz beating the new M5 in racing, I guess you haven't seen this yet.
http://privat.birklehof.org/~loeffle...ls55_amstv.wmv
12-14-2004, 08:06 AM
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Well if you understood German then you'd know what they were saying.
The new CLS 55 AMG has 476 hp and 700 lb/ft of torque.
Now look at these numbers that they give you:
0-62 they both go 4.7
0-200 km/h (about 125 mph) the CLS takes 15.5 seconds and the M5 takes 14.7 seconds.
So now, how can a e55, which has almost 200 less lb/ft of torque beat the new M5?
The new CLS 55 AMG has 476 hp and 700 lb/ft of torque.
Now look at these numbers that they give you:
0-62 they both go 4.7
0-200 km/h (about 125 mph) the CLS takes 15.5 seconds and the M5 takes 14.7 seconds.
So now, how can a e55, which has almost 200 less lb/ft of torque beat the new M5?
12-14-2004, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Well if you understood German then you'd know what they were saying.
The new CLS 55 AMG has 476 hp and 700 lb/ft of torque.
Now look at these numbers that they give you:
0-62 they both go 4.7
0-200 km/h (about 125 mph) the CLS takes 15.5 seconds and the M5 takes 14.7 seconds.
So now, how can a e55, which has almost 200 less lb/ft of torque beat the new M5?
The new CLS 55 AMG has 476 hp and 700 lb/ft of torque.
Now look at these numbers that they give you:
0-62 they both go 4.7
0-200 km/h (about 125 mph) the CLS takes 15.5 seconds and the M5 takes 14.7 seconds.
So now, how can a e55, which has almost 200 less lb/ft of torque beat the new M5?
Well if you pull your head out of your ass for a moment kid.
You praise the M5, it's years newer than the E55. And it just came out man. The E55's potential is alot higher than it's stock output. Wait until the next revision of the car... or go checkout a dinan E55, or another aftermarket E55.
B.T.W. the E55 has 2 less cylindars than the M5 :P and it hangs well with the M5 considering v8 to v10 comparsion. No to mention the M5 has a 7speed transmission...
12-14-2004, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
While you praise the M5, it's years newer than the E55. it just came out man. And the E55's potential is alot higher than it's stock output. Wait until the next revision of the car...
B.T.W. the E55 has 2 less cylindars than the M5 :P and it hangs well with the M5.
Man, I don't care about either one really. I know it's a V8 but it's supercharged.
I was just pointing out that they were both known for great engineering and how much more they can put out with smaller engines. Now they have twin turboed V12s and only manage to pull out 100 more hp than a dodge with a v10 (although the Viper does have more displacement) I know they're not the same type of cars, but I'm just talking about engines.
But seriously though, don't you think that a TWIN TURBO GERMAN V12 should be able to beat an American SC/d V8 with bolt ons?
12-14-2004, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
B.T.W. the E55 has 2 less cylindars than the M5 :P and it hangs well with the M5 considering v8 to v10 comparsion. No to mention the M5 has a 7speed transmission...
BMW has proven that they can build at least an NA 400 hp V8 and that was years ago.
12-14-2004, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Man, I don't care about either one really. I know it's a V8 but it's supercharged.
I was just pointing out that they were both known for great engineering and how much more they can put out with smaller engines. Now they have twin turboed V12s and only manage to pull out 100 more hp than a dodge with a v10 (although the Viper does have more displacement) I know they're not the same type of cars, but I'm just talking about engines.
But seriously though, don't you think that a TWIN TURBO GERMAN V12 should be able to beat an American SC/d V8 with bolt ons?
I was just pointing out that they were both known for great engineering and how much more they can put out with smaller engines. Now they have twin turboed V12s and only manage to pull out 100 more hp than a dodge with a v10 (although the Viper does have more displacement) I know they're not the same type of cars, but I'm just talking about engines.
But seriously though, don't you think that a TWIN TURBO GERMAN V12 should be able to beat an American SC/d V8 with bolt ons?
well, why don't we compare stock to stock. And see who wins. Your comparing a modified S/C'd V8 Mustang to a stock MB.
Mustang 4.7L v8 supercharged
390HP (lets just say 410) 390 fl/lbs torque (say 400)
CL 65 AMG 6.5L V12 twin turbo
612HP 738 ft/lbs torque
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Why don't we toss some "bolt ons" to the MB... your comparing a luxury car to a plastic interior POS /w a hot engine... you DO realize this right? the MB has options the mustang would only dream of having. Which gives it extra weight, not to mention the chassis deisgn that add more weight/safety to the MB.
12-14-2004, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
BMW has proven that they can build at least an NA 400 hp V8 and that was years ago.
So can Chevrolet they did it back int he 60's, whats your point? anyone can do that.
N/A cars aren't the end all be all of performance. There's a lot of benefits to having a car with forced induction.
Your obvioulsy baised towards the BMW and are holding that stance.
12-14-2004, 08:38 AM
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No acutally, yesterday I was arguing with a few BMW guys on how they can't keep up with Benz HP wise. But then they made valid points on NA Benz engines that should be compared to BMW engines instead.
But seriously, who can beat the 5L for NA 500 hp of the M5?
It seems like the gap between American and European engineering is closing.
But seriously, who can beat the 5L for NA 500 hp of the M5?
It seems like the gap between American and European engineering is closing.
12-14-2004, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
So can Chevrolet they did it back int he 60's, whats your point? anyone can do that.
4.9L v8 vs 6L v8?
12-14-2004, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
No acutally, yesterday I was arguing with a few BMW guys on how they can't keep up with Benz HP wise. But then they made valid points on NA Benz engines that should be compared to BMW engines instead.
But seriously, who can beat the 5L for NA 500 hp of the M5?
It seems like the gap between American and European engineering is closing.
But seriously, who can beat the 5L for NA 500 hp of the M5?
It seems like the gap between American and European engineering is closing.
Not many, BMW puts a lot of engineering into thier engine's. They have technology in that engine a lot of others don't have...
But while your getting smoked by the 600+hp FI car next to you in your M5 are you going to yell to them that your N/A engine is better?
12-14-2004, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Not many, BMW puts a lot of engineering into thier engine's. They have technology in that engine a lot of others don't have...
But while your getting smoked by the 600+hp FI car next to you in your M5 are you going to yell to them that your N/A engine is better?
But while your getting smoked by the 600+hp FI car next to you in your M5 are you going to yell to them that your N/A engine is better?
As you can see in the German review, the FI 700 lb/ft tq engine lost to that one.
So no, I'd be yelling "My 5L NA V10 beat your Supercharged 5.5L V8"
12-14-2004, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
And there's no excuse about "your model is newer" because they're both brand new cars.
WTF are you talking about, the E55 came out over 2 years ago. The M5 is new in the past few months...
They are not both brand new cars. The E55 was built to compete 2 years ago. It's due for a re-design/model change soon.
Start comparing apples to apples. Or at least know what your saying when you compare a new cars to one that came out 2 years ago...
12-14-2004, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
But anyway, I'm not here to argue, just stating a point.
12-14-2004, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Umm, I was talking about the CLS 55, which has even MORE POWER than the E55.
You're trying to say that a car with less power will be faster.
You're trying to say that a car with less power will be faster.
No, your *assuming* things... You have compared ford to MB, E55 to BMW, TT12 to BMW. Mb to Ford.... your all over the place, trying to plant your feet somewhere. You keep jumping to different topics to hopefully keep a piece of mind.
Who knows what your talking about, your just running your mouth.
E55 should be compared to the M5, they are the same breed of car...
Why don't you compare MB new TT engine like I posted in the specs on the last page.
MB could make a 1000hp TT v12 if they wanted to. They make what the market requires. I can *promise* you that they don't look at the ford mustang when they decide their power ouput. Not do they compare their 2 door coupes output to that of BMW flagship M5 sedan. They aren't on the same scope.
So you continue to discuss and talk about cars that don't compete with one another. Comparing engines alone, BMW doesn''t make a production car engine that outputs like the MB TT v12 does. They are over 100hp shy, and 200 ft/lbs of torque...
Anyway I'm done discussing this with you...
12-14-2004, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
No, your *assuming* things... You have compared ford to MB, E55 to BMW, TT12 to BMW.
Who knows what your talking about, your just running your mouth.
E55 should be compared to the M5, they are the same breed of car...
Why don't you compare MB new TT engine like I posted in the specs on the last page.
MB could make a 1000hp TT v12 if they wanted to. They make what the market requires. I can *promise* you that they don't look at the ford mustang when they decide their power ouput. Not do they compare their 2 door coupes output to that of BMW flagship M5 sedan. They aren't on the same scope.
So you continue to discuss and talk about cars that don't compete with one another. Comparing engines alone, BMW doesn''t make a production car engine that outputs like the MB TT v12 does. They are over 100hp shy, and 200 ft/lbs of torque...
Anyway I'm done discussing this with you...
Who knows what your talking about, your just running your mouth.
E55 should be compared to the M5, they are the same breed of car...
Why don't you compare MB new TT engine like I posted in the specs on the last page.
MB could make a 1000hp TT v12 if they wanted to. They make what the market requires. I can *promise* you that they don't look at the ford mustang when they decide their power ouput. Not do they compare their 2 door coupes output to that of BMW flagship M5 sedan. They aren't on the same scope.
So you continue to discuss and talk about cars that don't compete with one another. Comparing engines alone, BMW doesn''t make a production car engine that outputs like the MB TT v12 does. They are over 100hp shy, and 200 ft/lbs of torque...
Anyway I'm done discussing this with you...
Game, set & match.....
12-14-2004, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
You have compared
ford to MB...
ford to MB...
Originally Posted by SiGGy
E55 to BMW
And why does it bother you that BMW makes better engines? Why are you getting personal or offended?
That is not very mod-like.
12-14-2004, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
- wait a second, which cars were racing in this video...
- Never even mentioned the E55 in the first post, someone else started talking about it.
And why does it bother you that BMW makes better engines? Why are you getting personal or offended?
That is not very mod-like.[/QUOTE]
man you've gone from kid, to idiot in my book now.
What bothers me, is not BMW's engines. What makes them "better"? why don't you read back a few posts mr. smart guy. Lets quote me...
SiGGy
Not many, BMW puts a lot of engineering into thier engine's. They have technology in that engine a lot of others don't have...
Not many, BMW puts a lot of engineering into thier engine's. They have technology in that engine a lot of others don't have...
2. you keep comparing cars that don't complete, and keep asking why one is faster than another. when you go to college take a marketing couse
3. As far as MB N/A to BMW N/A comparison BMW makes a better engine.
4. When you compare F/I MB to BMW N/A. MB makes a better engine. Sorry but 612HP 734ft/lbs of torque > 500/500. I don't care if they used fusion to create the 500/500.
5. I'll ask you one more time. When the big bohemith MB TT V12 rips past you in your dainty 500hp M5 are you going to yell to him "but i have a better engine"
The reality here is HP is HP is HP... my VTEC 3.2L CLS holds a technology flag over my friends 600HP N/A Camaro. But does all of that really matter when I get my doors blown off by the big block while my v-tec engine switches cams...
Once again, this time read my quote above. ...
EOT
12-14-2004, 09:35 AM
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So what exactly are the points of your posts?
The M5 beat the CLS 55 AMG, which has 700 lb/ft of torque by almost A SECOND up to 125 mph.
At the end of the day, the benz has "more power" is HEAVIER and loses.
What are you gonna say when you lose to an M5 in your FI German Benz?
BMW 1 Benz 0
The M5 beat the CLS 55 AMG, which has 700 lb/ft of torque by almost A SECOND up to 125 mph.
At the end of the day, the benz has "more power" is HEAVIER and loses.
What are you gonna say when you lose to an M5 in your FI German Benz?
BMW 1 Benz 0
12-14-2004, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
So what exactly are the points of your posts?
The M5 beat the CLS 55 AMG, which has 700 lb/ft of torque by almost A SECOND up to 125 mph.
At the end of the day, the benz has "more power" is HEAVIER and loses.
What are you gonna say when you lose to an M5 in your FI German Benz?
BMW 1 Benz 0
The M5 beat the CLS 55 AMG, which has 700 lb/ft of torque by almost A SECOND up to 125 mph.
At the end of the day, the benz has "more power" is HEAVIER and loses.
What are you gonna say when you lose to an M5 in your FI German Benz?
BMW 1 Benz 0
right....
CLS 65 AMG have ran 11.8's at 120mph in the quarter mile. Show me the 11 second run for the new M5... at least compare MB's top dog engine CLS...
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0-60 in 3.6 sec. 1/4 mile in 11.9 at 120 mph.
Anyway, I don't have time for this today... maybe tomorrow...
12-14-2004, 06:03 PM
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The Benz in this vid is a CLS 55 not a SL65 or CL65. I do think the new M5 will out accelerate the E55, but the CL65 or SL65 is a different story.
12-14-2004, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
I believe the new M5 has already been tested against the E55 and it is about 0.3s slower in the 1/4-mile and about 4 mph slower as well
true,
i wonder if the cobra was spraying in that vid, i'm guessing that it wasnt
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I'M SORRY...but here at the facts.... please use the correct Name Designation for the proper models....
there is no such thing as a CLS 55 with 700 lbt of torque..... YOU MEAN TO SAY
CL65 WHICH IS DIFFERENT MODEL. Yes it has 700 lbt of Torque.
The CLS-55 just came out and has the EXACT engine output as the current E55. Period. T
he CLS-55 is much nicer, inside and out and, but weighs a bit more than the M5 (2005)and has 2 GEARS LESS. But if you know that MB already has a 7 speed automatic in the market, and its being deployed in current models such as E, SLK, even the new ML. So, in time, the CLS-55 will have the same 7 gears, and you will have the advantage now. E55, can keep up with the M5 and probably pull away in the top end as well...
BMW are great engines.... and no doubt about it they have good technology. But if you compare great engines... you should follow Formula One, it will tell you a good indication what manufacturer has the greatest engines.
In regards to the Stang "Modded" to CL-65, please look at the weigh advantage before you make any conclusions.
I'll give you one example.... a LOTUS Ellise with a 1.8 engine (all engine) can rip 1/4 mile time as close to a Suburu STI 2.5 Turbo 300HP. Why? Due to wieght.
Mustangs weigh about 3200 to 3400 lbs....compared to 4600 (look it up at MBUSA.com)....
Also the mustang was manual and the MB was automatic...
LAST POINT.... by the way, if you know BMW engines and you think they are "all engine" think again. The new 3 seres will have optional Turbo. Yes the new 3.0 liter, inline six , will have a turbo bolted on AS AN OPTION. This is to close the gap, between the new M3 and the regular 255hp inline 3.0L engine.
So, even BMW is following the trend to supercharge and use turbo.... and lastly, if you do some more research, MB will stop using Kompressors in their line of cars and start using turbos as well.
Not to flame anybody here...but come on, lets get our facts straigh and use references....if you would like reference on any think that I said...please let me know.
Maverick
there is no such thing as a CLS 55 with 700 lbt of torque..... YOU MEAN TO SAY
CL65 WHICH IS DIFFERENT MODEL. Yes it has 700 lbt of Torque.
The CLS-55 just came out and has the EXACT engine output as the current E55. Period. T
he CLS-55 is much nicer, inside and out and, but weighs a bit more than the M5 (2005)and has 2 GEARS LESS. But if you know that MB already has a 7 speed automatic in the market, and its being deployed in current models such as E, SLK, even the new ML. So, in time, the CLS-55 will have the same 7 gears, and you will have the advantage now. E55, can keep up with the M5 and probably pull away in the top end as well...
BMW are great engines.... and no doubt about it they have good technology. But if you compare great engines... you should follow Formula One, it will tell you a good indication what manufacturer has the greatest engines.
In regards to the Stang "Modded" to CL-65, please look at the weigh advantage before you make any conclusions.
I'll give you one example.... a LOTUS Ellise with a 1.8 engine (all engine) can rip 1/4 mile time as close to a Suburu STI 2.5 Turbo 300HP. Why? Due to wieght.
Mustangs weigh about 3200 to 3400 lbs....compared to 4600 (look it up at MBUSA.com)....
Also the mustang was manual and the MB was automatic...
LAST POINT.... by the way, if you know BMW engines and you think they are "all engine" think again. The new 3 seres will have optional Turbo. Yes the new 3.0 liter, inline six , will have a turbo bolted on AS AN OPTION. This is to close the gap, between the new M3 and the regular 255hp inline 3.0L engine.
So, even BMW is following the trend to supercharge and use turbo.... and lastly, if you do some more research, MB will stop using Kompressors in their line of cars and start using turbos as well.
Not to flame anybody here...but come on, lets get our facts straigh and use references....if you would like reference on any think that I said...please let me know.
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I'M SORRY...but here at the facts.... please use the correct Name Designation for the proper models....
there is no such thing as a CLS 55 with 700 lbt of torque..... YOU MEAN TO SAY
CL65 WHICH IS DIFFERENT MODEL. Yes it has 700 lbt of Torque.
The CLS-55 just came out and has the EXACT engine output as the current E55. Period. T
he CLS-55 is much nicer, inside and out and, but weighs a bit more than the M5 (2005)and has 2 GEARS LESS. But if you know that MB already has a 7 speed automatic in the market, and its being deployed in current models such as E, SLK, even the new ML. So, in time, the CLS-55 will have the same 7 gears, and you will have the advantage now. E55, can keep up with the M5 and probably pull away in the top end as well...
BMW are great engines.... and no doubt about it they have good technology. But if you compare great engines... you should follow Formula One, it will tell you a good indication what manufacturer has the greatest engines.
In regards to the Stang "Modded" to CL-65, please look at the weigh advantage before you make any conclusions.
I'll give you one example.... a LOTUS Ellise with a 1.8 engine (all engine) can rip 1/4 mile time as close to a Suburu STI 2.5 Turbo 300HP. Why? Due to wieght.
Mustangs weigh about 3200 to 3400 lbs....compared to 4600 (look it up at MBUSA.com)....
Also the mustang was manual and the MB was automatic...
LAST POINT.... by the way, if you know BMW engines and you think they are "all engine" think again. The new 3 seres will have optional Turbo. Yes the new 3.0 liter, inline six , will have a turbo bolted on AS AN OPTION. This is to close the gap, between the new M3 and the regular 255hp inline 3.0L engine.
So, even BMW is following the trend to supercharge and use turbo.... and lastly, if you do some more research, MB will stop using Kompressors in their line of cars and start using turbos as well.
Not to flame anybody here...but come on, lets get our facts straight and use references....if you would like reference on any thing that I wrote..please let me know.
Maverick
there is no such thing as a CLS 55 with 700 lbt of torque..... YOU MEAN TO SAY
CL65 WHICH IS DIFFERENT MODEL. Yes it has 700 lbt of Torque.
The CLS-55 just came out and has the EXACT engine output as the current E55. Period. T
he CLS-55 is much nicer, inside and out and, but weighs a bit more than the M5 (2005)and has 2 GEARS LESS. But if you know that MB already has a 7 speed automatic in the market, and its being deployed in current models such as E, SLK, even the new ML. So, in time, the CLS-55 will have the same 7 gears, and you will have the advantage now. E55, can keep up with the M5 and probably pull away in the top end as well...
BMW are great engines.... and no doubt about it they have good technology. But if you compare great engines... you should follow Formula One, it will tell you a good indication what manufacturer has the greatest engines.
In regards to the Stang "Modded" to CL-65, please look at the weigh advantage before you make any conclusions.
I'll give you one example.... a LOTUS Ellise with a 1.8 engine (all engine) can rip 1/4 mile time as close to a Suburu STI 2.5 Turbo 300HP. Why? Due to wieght.
Mustangs weigh about 3200 to 3400 lbs....compared to 4600 (look it up at MBUSA.com)....
Also the mustang was manual and the MB was automatic...
LAST POINT.... by the way, if you know BMW engines and you think they are "all engine" think again. The new 3 seres will have optional Turbo. Yes the new 3.0 liter, inline six , will have a turbo bolted on AS AN OPTION. This is to close the gap, between the new M3 and the regular 255hp inline 3.0L engine.
So, even BMW is following the trend to supercharge and use turbo.... and lastly, if you do some more research, MB will stop using Kompressors in their line of cars and start using turbos as well.
Not to flame anybody here...but come on, lets get our facts straight and use references....if you would like reference on any thing that I wrote..please let me know.
Maverick
12-14-2004, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Benz = Big engine + Turbo
BMW = Engineering
BMW = Engineering
You are a dumbass. An FI engine requires just as much, if not more engineering than an N/A engine.
The tq of the Benz will own the BMW at high speed driving. You can pass the Benz by a car in the 1/4 mile and he can catch back up and pass you.
Have you considered the aftermarket as well? Your BMW engine is MAXED THE FUCK OUT. A few mods on the Mercedes and he will not just pull on you, he'll run by your BMW.
The new M5 is an awesome car, and it's damn close to the top end Mercedes cars for quite a bit less $$$. It's not faster though.