Castrol Ex-CEO: oil changes are a scam
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Castrol Ex-CEO: oil changes are a scam
I couldn't find an English version, but the ex-CEO of motor oil company Castrol has come out and said that oil changes are useless, that the black particles inside user motor oil have excellent properties that are terrible to waste, and that it's a needless load on the environment too. He doesn't change the oil in his car, he only adds:
http://autotelegraaf.nl/vanonzeredactie/?newsid=3713703
http://autotelegraaf.nl/vanonzeredactie/?newsid=3713703
#2
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For certain the 3000 mi oil change interval was always a sham.
I'll change my oil per the mfg. specs.
I'll change my oil per the mfg. specs.
#3
The big thing to worry about is the filter. I have a friend who only changes his oil once a year-and he changes his filter as needed throughout. We took the motor out a few weeks ago to play around with it (boring out, etc), and it looks brand new after two years of this method.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
For certain the 3000 mi oil change interval was always a sham.
I'll change my oil per the mfg. specs.
I'll change my oil per the mfg. specs.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure any of my cars other than the '72 Mustang had recommendations for an oil change at less than 6K miles; I used to change at about 4K-5K miles or every 6-8 months.
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If you copy a translated page in Google and paste, it doesn't translate... weird. Here's the link...
http://translate.google.com/translat...3DZMr%26sa%3DG
http://translate.google.com/translat...3DZMr%26sa%3DG
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Originally Posted by shnee420
your link is not in english! wtf does it say???
It says:
Originally Posted by Belzebutt
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that oil changes are useless, ....
that oil changes are useless, ....
Didn't even need Google Translator for that.
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I believe that excessive oil changes are a scam.
Follow recommendations when on warranty.
Bi-annual for mineral oil.
Annual for synthetic oil (as required by Mercedes, Porsche, BMW or as per their monitors)
Follow recommendations when on warranty.
Bi-annual for mineral oil.
Annual for synthetic oil (as required by Mercedes, Porsche, BMW or as per their monitors)
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Why wouldn't something like this be front page news? This would mean saving $$$$ in oil just from oil changes.
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If you drive nicely (not to high revs), and don't do to much stop and go driving, I think oil should last a fairly long time. doing oil changes at 3000 miles is somewhat pointless, wasn't that rule developed in the time of the muscle car era? I think a monsterous V8 that races a lot would need more oil changes than an old woman driving a 4cyl accord. I would tend to think that in stop and go, 5000 with dino oil is good, and highway, 10,000 is good. With synthetics, not sure..
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Originally Posted by pebe
Maybe gas is a scam too I mean, how many people have driven as far as they could on E and seen how far they get?
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The man who realm became of cast role engine oil now says that refresh oil in fact not at all necessary is. Itself drives he already 350,000 kilometres on the same smering. The large oil scandal: hundreds of millions euro' s per year to waste and not in money damage mail for the environment to express. Henk large, the oud-directeur of cast role the Netherlands, conduct a crusade against what he calls ' oil painters maffia'. Large states that motorists, motorrijders and trick cherry unnecessarily are put to expenses because they let refresh the oil of their engines with large rule half-measure. Because that letter garages and manufacturers. And who now risk wants take that the guarantee comes on the saint cow in danger… , my car drives already 350,000 kilometres on the same engine oil. Thereby I spare my change purse and the milieu." Henk large have invented a level stick with chip which gives indications when it is wrong with the quality of engine oil. An universal apparatus, which is appropriate in nearly each car. The practice learns, according to the expert with a petrochemical and motortechnische context that the black goedje needs be replaced just after hundred thousands kilometres or years of autogebruik. , regulated top up if the level ends up too low, is natural, however, need. Other than that we become with z' n all beduveld. It concerns serious amounts and serious vervuiling." With a Dutch car park of six millions vehicles of which oil is replaced once per year, you talk already fast smurrie black concerning an amount of wide 600 millions euro and at least thirty millions litre which must be got rid of. Worldwide it is staggering: 200 billion euro to waste. To be silent the enormous oil puddle pool polluted of still but. " Also for this reason I sound the noodklok" , tells large, " for my children. I see regulated how people for their house refresh oil and the old stuff in the evacuation well to tumble. garage companies remove it to a central processing, where the oil to asphalt gerecycled become. But environment organisations indicate that rest substances eventual nevertheless in the groundwater belanden." Henk large build for a long time to the way. In this newspaper he let know years suffered that refresh oil for 10,000, 20,000 or even 30,000 kilometres inept are. There was much interest and oud-Castrol-topman showed with the car park of customers, who let reason for them replace up to 300,000 kilometres their engine oil, that refresh geldklopperij was. With by the large provided level stick checked ' langgebruikers' the quality of oil. Where in the newest version a chip beats alarm if it goes wrong with the souring or salinity. Tentacles " But the tentacles of the industry are long, the car line is powerful, the oil entrance hall wereldspeler" , thus Henk large. " For this reason I have been made monddood, the interests are too large. Even laboratories are paid by the large oil societies and therefore master. The Hague showed initial interest, but a test with the company fleet of a bus venture - there for more than 100,000 euro subsidy it had been already promised in case the engines in the soup would run - to be suddenly stopped. The government has put money ever much in a processing call centre at Rotterdam, I think that they had no sense for the contracts with that factory concerning the delivery of polluted oil at verbreken." Because twists everything for money, thus says large. " People think that it is wrong affair if oil appears inktzwart, the inverse is true! Vuildeeltjes in modern oil, frequently carbon rests, omkapseling get. Oil becomes as a result, black and more thickly at heat, but that is correct good. Olieverversen a superstition has been kept, by the industry in score. Because on each litre engine oil the large boys make much profit. The complete idea descends from the time of that decrepit T-Fordjes! " A rondgang of this newspaper garages and maintenance companies learns that to many fitters to their own car frequently much longer let keep on driving than it is indicated officially. But nobody wants be cited. " Because that costs to customers, therefore livelihood and eventually my baan." At environment civil servants in The Hague Henk caught large in the past also numerous keren bone. " Nicely hear that you meedenkt" , him was then fijntjes told, " but our task is not occur for detritus, we are there process detritus! " Jules Maaten, euro member of Parliament for the VVD, call the findings of oud-Castrol-directeur innovative. " If Mr De large is right, then here a splendid chance for a cleaner world lies. I will ask written couples concerning the cyclussen of olieverversen to the European Commission. If we let stretch itself for the caddie of industry and oil entrance hall, steps must follow there. Motorist and environment become already enough gepakt." Henk large are meanwhile 86 years old, but stand still on sharp. throne continuator Richard (www.niveauplus.nl) takes over the inheritance of the oil guru ever. Because give up, that is for father nor son an option. " I hope still to be allowed experience that we with this nonsense stoppen" , Henk say large. " Differently my son must fight further. Richard, such as new animated Don Quichotte… ' Even doorsmeren' , it call them in the garage. A sordid game is it! "
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As the Honda dealer indicates, I will change my oil once the indicator reads 15%....and not any sooner.
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The Difference Engine: All change, oil change
WITH a trip planned up the back roads to the High Sierras and another 5,000 miles on the odometer since his last oil change, your correspondent spent a recent morning beneath his superannuated runabout, draining the sump and wondering what precisely to re-fill it with. It is no good looking at the workshop manual. The lubricants recommended by the manufacturer when the car was built back in the 1980s live on in name only. Their formulations have changed out of all recognition as a consequence of the motor industry’s quest for ever better fuel economy and lower exhaust emissions.
All of a sudden, a lot of well-maintained old cars, especially sportier models, have begun to fail in surprising numbers—as if struck down by some virulent new disease. Engine builders say they have seen more broken motors suffering from the same camshaft damage over the past three years than in the previous 30. Reports have circulated within both the classic-car and hot-rod communities of priceless performance engines failing after only 300 miles since a rebuild.
Modern car engines that use rolling or sliding tappets for transmitting the rapid up-down lifting motion of the spinning camshafts—to open and close the engine’s inlet and exhaust valves—seem immune. But those that use the older flat-faced tappets to trace the camshaft’s profile are particularly prone to the disease.
The first sign of illness is a sudden loss of power which, if not rectified immediately, can cause the engine to self-destruct. On stripping down a damaged motor, the tappets are invariably found to be heavily pitted and bits of metal broken off the camshaft lobes. With metal fragments lodged in the oil galleries downstream of the oil filter, the engine block has to be flushed to prevent the loose bits from causing further damage to bearings and cylinder walls.....
All of a sudden, a lot of well-maintained old cars, especially sportier models, have begun to fail in surprising numbers—as if struck down by some virulent new disease. Engine builders say they have seen more broken motors suffering from the same camshaft damage over the past three years than in the previous 30. Reports have circulated within both the classic-car and hot-rod communities of priceless performance engines failing after only 300 miles since a rebuild.
Modern car engines that use rolling or sliding tappets for transmitting the rapid up-down lifting motion of the spinning camshafts—to open and close the engine’s inlet and exhaust valves—seem immune. But those that use the older flat-faced tappets to trace the camshaft’s profile are particularly prone to the disease.
The first sign of illness is a sudden loss of power which, if not rectified immediately, can cause the engine to self-destruct. On stripping down a damaged motor, the tappets are invariably found to be heavily pitted and bits of metal broken off the camshaft lobes. With metal fragments lodged in the oil galleries downstream of the oil filter, the engine block has to be flushed to prevent the loose bits from causing further damage to bearings and cylinder walls.....
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I would think it as a matter of common sense to want to replace old, dirty oil with fresh at least every now and then. I've never bought into the 3k mile interval (and I ardently believe Blackstone and their fear-mongers are nothing short of scammers) but I like to follow the manufacturer recommendations at least....
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When I bought my Type S, my dealership (Jay Wolfe Acura-Kansas City) gives me free oil changes for the life of my car. I'm not going to worry about it.
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i can see that it is a modern motor, almost looks like a BMW or something to me, by the one cam being driven off of the other one
they have the most experience with there motors anyways (and even then at least 95% of the people out there should follow the severe maintenance schedule too, which is sooner then the 7500 miles they recommend for the "normal" maintenance one)
so what happens if you turn out to be like fstty with his 300k+ miles or something...
I would think it as a matter of common sense to want to replace old, dirty oil with fresh at least every now and then. I've never bought into the 3k mile interval (and I ardently believe Blackstone and their fear-mongers are nothing short of scammers) but I like to follow the manufacturer recommendations at least....
so what happens if you turn out to be like fstty with his 300k+ miles or something...
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I just change it when it gets dirty
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It took over 10k in the Fit for the MM to hit 15%.... I was getting a little worried.
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they have the most experience with there motors anyways (and even then at least 95% of the people out there should follow the severe maintenance schedule too, which is sooner then the 7500 miles they recommend for the "normal" maintenance one)
so what happens if you turn out to be like fstty with his 300k+ miles or something...
I just spent the day lapping the car. The oil in there was new and will most likely stay in there the next 10k or until i pull the motor out this winter. Today the car spent the better half of its lap time at 7k rpm.