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Old Jan 6, 2010 | 01:40 PM
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Car and Driver--Lightning Lap 2009

I think this deserves its own thread....very interesting!

The C6 is truly showing its superiority across the spectrum of models....

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p_2009-feature

And for 370Z fanboys...this is pretty disturbing....

Old Jan 6, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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I don't suppose we could classify you as a "Corvette" fanboi, eh? Nah, surely not....
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I don't suppose we could classify you as a "Corvette" fanboi, eh? Nah, surely not....
I'm not a fanboy; instead I let objective and not subjective data do the talking (ie. look at those track times)

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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
I'm not a fanboy; instead I let objective and not subjective data due the talking (ie. look at those track times)
oh you due, due you?
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Originally Posted by sarlacc
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oh you due, due you?
Thanks professor....i caught the typo
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lol yum, never a fan of Nissan =), but do enjoy the Corvette are my favorite American brand car. <3 Gotta love BMW and Merc though.
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Corvettes FTW. No better bang for the buck out there.

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Gets a Corvette and suddenly it's Jesus's chariot.

You like your car, awesome. Stop beating the rest of us over the head with Corvette shit.

It was annoying when MSL82 did it with Hyundai and 1SickLex did it with Lexus. And it's still annoying by every person who did it before or since.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Gets a Corvette and suddenly it's Jesus's chariot.

You like your car, awesome. Stop beating the rest of us over the head with Corvette shit.

It was annoying when MSL82 did it with Hyundai and 1SickLex did it with Lexus. And it's still annoying by every person who did it before or since.
hmmm....i think there is a lot of interesting data/times/facts in that article. You're acting like I posted a thread called "Corvette Rules" or something along that end I posted one other thread where I talked about my Vette...give me a break

God there are some "haters" here....

Hopefully we can get back on topic with the interesting discussions in the article....
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I think someone feels slighted because someone else apparently committed automotive blasphemy by drawing a comparison between the Corvette and Nissan Z. The former should probably get a grip.
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I would not mind them, there "haters" everywhere..
Whenever i tried telling them the CL-S or TL was no sports car, everyone jumped down on me saying the smoked mustangs and camaro's and G35's or even G37's.. This is a car forum let the guy love his car, he is not bashing anyone or there cars.. If you people are misrable with your life then keep it to yourself!
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I must be some sort of asshole, not only do I like the 370z, I also really like the vette I should just kill myself for being such a tool.
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Originally Posted by iTimmy
I must be some sort of asshole, not only do I like the 370z, I also really like the vette I should just kill myself for being such a tool.
I guess I should join you in that suicide pact because I feel likewise.
Old Jan 6, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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Dont get me wrong, I like the 370Z. Just like the Vette, I think it offers tremendous performace for the dollar (the 370Z probably the best performaance for 40K, the Vette the best for 60K) . However, claims that the 370Z is a better track car or is faster around the track than a Vette are just plain false. A 14 sec differece in times is an eternity. The Virginia Raceway allows for a good mix of evaluaing power, handling, and braking
Old Jan 6, 2010 | 04:23 PM
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And a used Vette is still cheaper than a 370Z ;-)

*Flamesuit on*

As long as you're willing to fix the broken sensors every 1000 miles.

The 370Z's auto rev maching is also pretty slick. It takes the fun out of rev-matching but definately is a neat piece of kit.
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
Dont get me wrong, I like the 370Z. Just like the Vette, I think it offers tremendous performace for the dollar (the 370Z probably the best performaance for 40K, the Vette the best for 60K) . However, claims that the 370Z is a better track car or is faster around the track than a Vette are just plain false. A 14 sec differece in times is an eternity. The Virginia Raceway allows for a good mix of evaluaing power, handling, and braking
Maybe I missed it... but I don't see a single reply in this topic claiming anything about the 370z except for you instigating in your original post by posting that pic and calling out "Nissan fanboys"...

This topic could have easily been posted with a simple link and some general comments without calling out other brands or creating an argument by clearly posting how the C6 rules all.

This thread is on a fine line b/c it appears that you created it simply to start arguments instead of posting it for the info the link and data offers... so if it goes over that line, it will be locked instantly.
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Maybe I missed it... but I don't see a single reply in this topic claiming anything about the 370z except for you instigating in your original post by posting that pic and calling out "Nissan fanboys"...

This topic could have easily been posted with a simple link and some general comments without calling out other brands or creating an argument by clearly posting how the C6 rules all.

This thread is on a fine line b/c it appears that you created it simply to start arguments instead of posting it for the info the link and data offers... so if it goes over that line, it will be locked instantly.
There were claims in a previous thread by a few people that F23A4 refers to that falsely claimed a 370Z is quicker/better around the track than the Vette. I posted this for objective data and interesting discussions by Car and Driver.
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I got this issue in the mail yesterday! It was a very entertaining article to say the least. I drooled every time I saw the LP670 though

Regardless of what happened to the 370Z, it's a downright gorgeous car. Like any new redesigned model it will have some kinks that will need to get worked out, but that's almost expected.

I don't think the comparison between the Z and a Vette is fair though. There are enthusiasts from either side of the fight. Therefore I don't understand this "fanboys" shit

Even though the Vette was 14 seconds faster, to the average consumer who buys the Vette or the Z, do you think they care THAT much? Both are quick for their price segment and you get what you pay for. Do you think those 14 seconds would turn a buyer away from a Z and put them in a Vette? Doubt it.
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I guess I should join you in that suicide pact because I feel likewise.
Same here...
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How else can we re-tread this topic tomorrow after this thread gets teh lock?
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How else can we re-tread this topic tomorrow after this thread gets teh lock?
Which car is better 370z or vette?though the TL is far superior to all because I don't like the power of the vette, V8's are stupid and the 370z can get poor fuel economy
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Originally Posted by iTimmy
Which car is better 370z or vette?though the TL is far superior to all because I don't like the power of the vette, V8's are stupid and the 370z can get poor fuel economy
I had a chevette once. Does that count?
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I found it interesting that the Cayman S tied the 911 S at this track. Speaks very well for the Cayman as a performance Porsche bargain as well.
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I found it interesting that the Cayman S tied the 911 S at this track. Speaks very well for the Cayman as a performance Porsche bargain as well.
The cayman is a remarkably rewarding car to drive, I would be VERY hard pressed to justify anything short of a 911 turbo over a CaymanS and I do love me some 911!

There are so many great cars out there, it just boils down to what flavor of Baskin Robins do you feel like?
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Originally Posted by iTimmy
Which car is better 370z or vette?though the TL is far superior to all because I don't like the power of the vette, V8's are stupid and the 370z can get poor fuel economy
Even in jest, please dont!
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
There were claims in a previous thread by a few people that F23A4 refers to that falsely claimed a 370Z is quicker/better around the track than the Vette. I posted this for objective data and interesting discussions by Car and Driver.
And I had to battle to keep things real for the sake of both the Vette and Z.

Back on topic, I have no doubt that Nissan corporate (as they typically do) will address the issue of the brakes.
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Even in jest, please dont!
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I just came home and received that C/D issue in mail. Honestly, props to the Gen 3.8 coupe, given its auto tranny. (Hyundai FTL for not giving C/D a 6MT model to kick around.)
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I got it a week or so ago and couldnt believe how fast the ZR1 was, the fact it beat the atom and the ktm like it did...
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I just came home and received that C/D issue in mail. Honestly, props to the Gen 3.8 coupe, given its auto tranny. (Hyundai FTL for not giving C/D a 6MT model to kick around.)
Yea i was surprised with the lap time with the auto. Would have been nice to see the manual tested.
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I love how the ZR1 is praised as the all-mighty, but the ACR still has the better track time . . .
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I love how the ZR1 is praised as the all-mighty, but the ACR still has the better track time . . .
Slap a set of R compounds and track built shocks on the vette and the vette would be king Just like on the ring time...
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Slap a set of R compounds and track built shocks on the vette and the vette would be king Just like on the ring time...
Run what ya' brung?!

I understand where you are coming from, but you have to give some respect to Dodge for building such a machine - heck, even in today's economy, etc, Dodge is still coming out with a new track only car, the ACR-X.
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
There were claims in a previous thread by a few people that F23A4 refers to that falsely claimed a 370Z is quicker/better around the track than the Vette. I posted this for objective data and interesting discussions by Car and Driver.
Then next time, leave it in that thread. If there is already a discussion about it, no need to create a new one to bring the same argument into two different threads...
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Run what ya' brung?!

I understand where you are coming from, but you have to give some respect to Dodge for building such a machine - heck, even in today's economy, etc, Dodge is still coming out with a new track only car, the ACR-X.
Of course i give it respect, its a fast car. But people like to say oh the viper still is quicker. Sure if i brought a purpose built street car for the track i would expect it to win, just saying that if the vette were in similar trim it would no doubt set much quicker times.



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