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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 09:48 AM
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BYE ACURA hello LEXUS

Well i said goodbye to my beloved CLS a few days ago.. Im gonna miss her.. But i think i got another good car.

I traded her in with 56K KM and 21000 lien for a black 2000 GS400 with 74K (millenium edition) for $35050CDN out the door. However its unfortunate that the car was off a lease so that the previous moron who drove it did not take good care of the paint. The front there are lots of stone chips and minor scratches. However the interior its still acceptable..Seats and trim and carpet are good condition, but the lettering of the stereo are a little bit worn in some buttons...

I starting to love this car though. I never owned a RWD car before and i can certainly feel the acceleration differencem especially when i put it to power mode. My plan is to have the front end repainted and also the rear bumper to make it look new again. There are only 2 door dings..which is ok.

I will post up pics soon.. I hope this car treated me as good or better than my old CLS has treated me...
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 09:52 AM
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Interesting. Why did you trade a car with lower miles (or km) for a car with more miles that cost more? Just curious.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 09:53 AM
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because lexus > acura any day
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Strut
Interesting. Why did you trade a car with lower miles (or km) for a car with more miles that cost more? Just curious.
it did not cost more.. on my CLS i still owed $21K remember?

The Lexus was advertised for $34950 + tax (15%) and all that crap. I paid $35050 which was only $100 more and they still had to pay my lien of $21000. So i saved at least $5000 worth of taxes and they gave me good $ for my "back to stock" CLS .

and The GS400 is built in Japan.. and because LEXUS is the LEAST problematic cars..

If I could keep both i would.. but im not rich like some people on here.. lol
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:01 AM
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Congrats, the GS is one slick ride. Let the modding begin!..???
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:03 AM
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yeah .. well i want to fix the paint first.. then tint.. then lower it..and change the front grill.. the rims (19s). Im quite happy with the stock performance for now.. supposedly 14.3s in the 1/4 mile.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:06 AM
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I don't understand your math exactly.

What you got = $35k value

What you gave up = $30k (value of CLS) - $21k (your debt) = $9k net value

$35k - $9k = $26k upgrade in value

Seems to me you got a $26k upgrade for $35k??? Unless my assumptions about the CLS value are wrong?
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by hemants
I don't understand your math exactly.

What you got = $35k value

What you gave up = $30k (value of CLS) - $21k (your debt) = $9k net value

$35k - $9k = $26k upgrade in value

Seems to me you got a $26k upgrade for $35k??? Unless my assumptions about the CLS value are wrong?
Lols.. $30K for a 01 CLS with 56K KM?? good luck selling it at that price...unless you fine some chump to buy it. Don Valley Lexus offered me only $21K CDN for my car...

I've seen CLS' at the autotrader for $25-28(the highest) and those are dealership prices.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:17 AM
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why on earth would you pay MORE than what they are asking for a USED CAR???!! Used cars have such a huge profit margin, why didnt you talkthem down to lke 31-32 or something??? paying asking price for a used vehicle is dumb as hell. let ALONE paying more than the asking price??? why? people are right, this does not sound like a good deal.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:25 AM
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"I've seen CLS' at the autotrader for $25-28(the highest) and those are dealership prices."

Even so, they should have given you credit for $4k - $6k of value still in your CLS no?

That being said I think that $35k for the used GS is pretty good :-)

I assume the price you paid is including taxes? If so then I guess they did credit you around $4k for the CLS (or you could look at it as a discount on the GS)
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
Used cars have such a huge profit margin
That is true to a large extent, but that's not always the case. Dealer profit on pre-owned car depends on 1) What they took the car in for and 2) What did they have to put into the vehicle to make it saleable- an R/O (body damage repair, new brakes, tires, etc).

So, some used cars may have $5k in profit where others may have $500.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by hemants
"I've seen CLS' at the autotrader for $25-28(the highest) and those are dealership prices."

Even so, they should have given you credit for $4k - $6k of value still in your CLS no?

That being said I think that $35k for the used GS is pretty good :-)

I assume the price you paid is including taxes? If so then I guess they did credit you around $4k for the CLS (or you could look at it as a discount on the GS)
Man you guys (hemants/jimcol) should read my post CAREFULLY!! asking price was $34950 and i said i paid $35K out the door!! so yes taxes and misc costs are already included.

JIM - bud the asking price was $34950 + 15% tax + cost = a little over 40K... and i paid $35K for the car out the door. so divide 35K by 15% = 30.4K and change. Please dont call me dumb..

After all its said and done I gave the dealer a cheque for $14050 + my CLS.

fyi.. Monthly FINANCE payment for the GS is $100 cheaper than my CLS. $650 instead of $750CDN for at 5% interest.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:42 AM
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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CIVIC ..its so bro.. =) but if i had a 6SPD CLS to begin with.. i wouldve kept it. Then again i always loved the GS4 ever since it came out in 98.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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"Man you guys should read my post CAREFULLY!! asking price was $34950 and i said i paid $35K out the door!! so yes taxes and misc costs are already included."

Ok, that's more in line :-)

$35k out the door = $30k pre tax = $5k value given for CLS = implied trade-in price of $26k on the CLS net of debt.

But most importantly, you are now the supreme ruler of TAC!
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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lolz.. ruler? i dont think so.. y u say that?
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 10:50 AM
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Who else there has a nicer car? No one you bastage!
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 11:33 AM
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Not trying to stir anything, but 35 grand for a used car with > 70 thousand miles ! Wow! unless I read it wrong.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 11:35 AM
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Canadian dollars, that's about $25k USD taxes in.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 11:43 AM
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not 70000 miles. KMs man KMs..s "i am canadian" lolz..

converted its about 43495.98 miles for $25K Hemants is correct.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 11:44 AM
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 11:48 AM
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now it makes more sense.

holy fuck though, canadian sales tax is 15 PER-fucking-CENT??? hoolly lord almighty!! why is that??
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 12:07 PM
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i would never trade a cl-s for a 2000 gs just my opinion
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 12:14 PM
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I traded her in with 56K KM and 21000 lien for a black 2000 GS400 with 74K (millenium edition) for $35050CDN out the door. However its unfortunate that the car was off a lease so that the previous moron who drove it did not take good care of the paint. The front there are lots of stone chips and minor scratches. However the interior its still acceptable..Seats and trim and carpet are good condition, but the lettering of the stereo are a little bit worn in some buttons
Weclome to the darkside young one. Your training to mod starts ASAP. www.clublexus.com www.seloc.net


What color, what options
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 12:42 PM
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Whew, I thought you were gonna say you had an IS 300. GS 400 is the shiznit! Congrats!
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Weclome to the darkside young one. Your training to mod starts ASAP. www.clublexus.com www.seloc.net


What color, what options
SICKLEX.. i made a few posts on there already.. not as much people frequent that board huh.. but its still all good..

mines black on tan. No NAVI no phone... - =( is it possible for me to get a stock gs400 navi and install it on mine as an upgrade?
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
now it makes more sense.

holy fuck though, canadian sales tax is 15 PER-fucking-CENT??? hoolly lord almighty!! why is that??
JIM yeah i know.. u lucky U.S. BASTARDS.. it used to be 8% but they decided to add 7% GST. BUt then we do have better social programs.. and toll less highways..etc.

so everything we buy we pay 8% provincial sales tax. and 7% General Sales Tax - i think thats what it stands for.

In Pennsylvania there are NO TAX on clothing and shoes right?.. WTF!! i love shopping at GROVE CITY outlet.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 01:43 PM
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mines black on tan. No NAVI no phone... - =( is it possible for me to get a stock gs400 navi and install it on mine as an upgrade?
It's not worth the money at all, not to mention the hardware you have to get. U got the same screename?
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 01:47 PM
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MSRP on cars in canada are generally lower than the MSRP in the u.s....and also we have no tolls on our highways..free healthcare..im not complaining
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 01:59 PM
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Jucee, I think I answered all your questions on Clublexus, u do have the same handle there as here. Good luck with your car.
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Old Aug 8, 2003 | 02:36 PM
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Cool deal man the GS4 is one sweet car. Get some pics of your baby up ASAP!
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Old Aug 11, 2003 | 07:57 PM
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Yeah i will post pics up just as long as it stops raining!!! stupid weather lately.. i havent had a chance to zaino her yet.. only the front end has one coat.. "rain rain go away".
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Old Aug 11, 2003 | 09:27 PM
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Who gives a RATS AZZ about your financing???

MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!!

Did the GS come with the MARK LEVINSON Stereo System??????
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 12:38 AM
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since ive got both cars, i very much understand the reason he did this. however, i hope you have some warranty left just in case something is wrong or goes wrong. the gs is very solid built but there is one thing you might want to watch for. the only problem ive ever had was a broken water pump which sounds like when you drive over rocks and the car sucks them up. my friend with a gs3 has the same problem and i know its more common. other than that, it is too solid. there are some creaks/rattles, but nothing too much. overall an excellent car that will run forever. just make sure to maintain it properly and dont cheap out.
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 03:47 AM
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because lexus > acura any day
I dunno, while i love the GS430 I do feel that most lexus vehicles are bland to me. Just my opinion.
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 05:10 AM
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I almost went that direction about 2 weeks ago. I decided AGAINST it.

The main reason was that they are redesigned the GS, and the new one debuts soon. Like any car, even though it is a LEX, the value is going to DROP like a ROCK.

Another reason, I don't like car payments.


And a 3rd reason, the thing is a BOAT, and I read numerous stories on CLUBLEXUS about GS's getting WHOOPED by Type S's. I don't want to switch to something that doesn't have the same power as my acura!


Congrats on the purchase, navi and mark levinson are a MUST in the GS.
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by power3dfx
since ive got both cars, i very much understand the reason he did this. however, i hope you have some warranty left just in case something is wrong or goes wrong. the gs is very solid built but there is one thing you might want to watch for. the only problem ive ever had was a broken water pump which sounds like when you drive over rocks and the car sucks them up. my friend with a gs3 has the same problem and i know its more common. other than that, it is too solid. there are some creaks/rattles, but nothing too much. overall an excellent car that will run forever. just make sure to maintain it properly and dont cheap out.
The car has been serviced from the original dealer. I actually went there to check it out. I gave them the VIN and asked what kind of service if any has this GS received. The dood checked and said ALL the required maintenance service up to 56K KM. He said all you will PROBABLY need is to replace the A/C filter.. which I've done myself.. so damn easy to do.. takes 2 minutes. He also said an oil change which i did as soon as i drove the car off the used dealer. I also ran a carfax before i bought it and it checks out and qualified for their "warranty".. I agree the car is very solid with minor creaks.. but not as much as my old CLS. The leather is in tip top shape also. No cracks. The only thing that bugs me is some the lettering on the stereo is worn off. The guy must of loved playing with the buttons. The tranny fluid is still RED .. good sign.. and believe it or not it actually says on the tranny dipstick "no need to change the ATF under normal driving conditions"..

Water pump ey? ill keep an eye out for it. I dont think i have that problem *kow*.. i will surely notice if the symptoms are as u described. I still have 6K to go before the bumper to bumper warranty runs out. Power terrain i still have to 110K KM

It currently has 74K KM. The only "problems" that i have with this car are:

1. Stone chips on the front end.. really bad.. - repainted and clearbra soon.
2. 2 cigarette burns on the roof panel - bastard smoker.
3. worn off lettering on the stereo.
4. Minor squeaks when hitting hard bumps
5. Fogged up Headlights after washing - apparently a known lexus issue that is NOT covered under warranty. It eventually goes away

Other than that the car is "perfect"
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 07:17 AM
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Did the GS come with the MARK LEVINSON Stereo System
ML system was available starting in 2001 models.
The main reason was that they are redesigned the GS, and the new one debuts soon. Like any car, even though it is a LEX, the value is going to DROP like a ROCK.
Not really, the GS 400/430 are sold in limited amounts and their value has held well as most Lexus models.
I dunno, while i love the GS430 I do feel that most lexus vehicles are bland to me. Just my opinion.
Stock Sucks
And a 3rd reason, the thing is a BOAT, and I read numerous stories on CLUBLEXUS about GS's getting WHOOPED by Type S's. I don't want to switch to something that doesn't have the same power as my acura
Mods make it anti-boat and it only feels like a boat over 100mph, which we rarely go (stock). And if your Type-S ain't modded, forget about it.
Fogged up Headlights after washing - apparently a known lexus issue that is NOT covered under warranty. It eventually goes away
If u were still under the 4 year, 48k warrenty, they would have replaced them.
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 07:39 AM
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like i said on club lexus... i have been driving my cl-s since the gs is in the shop getting the lsportline kit. wow! my cl-s now feels like a fucking integra....other than the haul ass factor and navi the lexus kills acura. i love my acura to death i just wish it was better built.
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Old Aug 12, 2003 | 01:53 PM
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And a 3rd reason, the thing is a BOAT, and I read numerous stories on CLUBLEXUS about GS's getting WHOOPED by Type S's.
Some guy pulled next to me at a light in a newer GS4 and we both had our windows down. He asked if I wanted to run so I said sure...I figured it wouldn't be that bad since I have some mods and stuff. Maybe I might get lucky...
Anyway, he got all on it and I saw nothing but white smoke and smelled putrid rubber as he rocketed away...I heard the unmistakably loud BOV and just kinda .
About two weeks later I went to the local shop to get a part and the guys said that some guy whose car they built up was talking about dogging a car like mine. Fu(kers--it was mine! They put a twin-turbo set up on this guys car!!!
Quality and quick, but outta my range for now...
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